Catch 22 Mafia - Page 49

On June 23 2013 07:04 Ange777 wrote:
So what exactly do you need hapa to push for? For a GK lynch? Why not try to push others yourself?

On June 23 2013 07:02 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa we're an hour out, can you start pushing things? :/

On June 23 2013 07:07 Hapahauli wrote:


I'd like to think I've been pushing discussion quite well for the past two hours. If you want me to lock onto a single read, well I just went and did it (though somewhat reluctantly). I do as well think GK is the better lynch, but I can't say with a straight face that I would object to seeing DP hang. And it looks like your attitude is exactly the same.

On June 23 2013 06:42 Ange777 wrote:
Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them.

If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma.

But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that.

On June 23 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote:

there's a difference between being comfortable with pressure and bringing massive, unnecessary pressure on to yourself, don't you think?

On June 23 2013 07:07 Hapahauli wrote:


I'd like to think I've been pushing discussion quite well for the past two hours. If you want me to lock onto a single read, well I just went and did it (though somewhat reluctantly). I do as well think GK is the better lynch, but I can't say with a straight face that I wouldn't mind seeing DP hang. And it looks like your attitude is exactly the same.

On June 22 2013 21:29 goodkarma wrote:


I don't see why you'd tell us this, and then sit on said writeup... We have 10 1/2 hours before lynch, and it seems we're nowhere close to coming to some kind of consolidation. If you have some kind of damning super-convincing case on Hapa/Yamato, why not get it out in the open now?

On June 23 2013 07:08 slOosh wrote:

I think you are overemphasizing the 3 votes a bit - you saw that they were quickly removed as they were put on.

You said yourself it doesn't make sense for town DP to do that either. So I don't understand how you are using something alignment null to say DP is leaning town.

On June 23 2013 07:06 Ange777 wrote:
@Sloosh:

Earlier you were suspicious of Obvious' entry post. I asked you what exactly made you suspicious but never saw a reply for that one.

On June 22 2013 07:52 slOosh wrote:
I like this ObviousOne direction. Let's hammer out some more discussion / focus on him. Here's what caught my eye

He asks Coag (of all people), about his thoughts on Oats (a town read). If he wanted thoughts on Oats, there were people already talking about it. If he wanted thoughts from Coag, I think there could have been better questions. Do you think this is strange / different / scummy?

On June 23 2013 07:12 slOosh wrote:
Ehh ... maybe we're just splitting hairs on playstyle ... whatever.

Could I ask for your general feel of ShiaoPi?

On June 23 2013 07:08 ObviousOne wrote:

I don't recall having any experience with town Shiao, can you clarify what you mean when comparing the two? I have Shiao as a candidate for what looked like an intentionally over-antagonistic approach towards GK. Is that characteristic of a town Shiao, if you know of Shiao's play?

On June 23 2013 07:16 Ange777 wrote:


I think I've only obsed/co-hosted a few games where ShiaoPi played so I didn't play with him in a game before. By comparing them I meant that if I had to chose between one of these two players to lynch today I would prefer to lynch goodkarma instead of ShiaoPi. What makes you think his posting style is over-antagonistic? I didn't get that feeling.

On June 22 2013 00:52 goodkarma wrote:
@Shao:

Explain to me how picking to attack me on what thread consensus has already determined to be a bad discussion point isn't in fact attacking an "easy target"? And while you're at it please tell me if that means I should assume you're scum?

I will hold discussion on whatever the fuck I feel is relevant to finding scum. I really don't care if you find who I discuss "easy," and if you were to do any legwork at all you'd find I frequently look into people you might consider "easy" on day one. To me, day one is all about generating discussion and a pro-town atmosphere. To that end, I constantly look at lurkers (something I haven't done this game all that much) and have what you might consider "weaker" discussion points about more active people just to get a better idea of where their alignment stands.

I was mostly interested in this singular point on Oatsmaster: Why would he so eagerly jump his suspicions onto Yamato while ignoring his earlier reads? That was it. I actually do like his explanations, although I disagree with them, on DP and Hapa. At least I can visualize how a town Oats could come to such conclusions. The thing with his play this game is that it's dramatically different than what I saw of his townplay last game, and I'm still working to make sense of it.

On June 22 2013 00:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
@gk:
you can assume that i am scum if that pleases you, I dont really care?!
I don't see any difference in oats' play between here and I swear so I have him pretty firmly in town at the moment. Your case just looks like cooking up stuff, which is especially easy on oats since he is inconsistent and likes to switch his focus around a fair amount.

tell me about dramatically differences in oats play.

On June 22 2013 02:17 goodkarma wrote:
What do you think of Marv btw Shao?

On June 22 2013 02:17 goodkarma wrote:
In B4 null.

On June 23 2013 07:05 Hapahauli wrote:
##Vote GoodKarma

I can excuse DP's behavior on the grounds that he's generally busy on weekends. I don't like his play, but I feel it could come from a town DP.

I can't really excuse GK's behavior so far. He's made two bad cases (Oats and Shaio), and isn't pushing either one of them. Compared to Les Mis (where he was actively seeking to consolidate his vote), he just plopped his vote on Shaio and is content to let it rot there.

On June 23 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:
That might be the towniest thing gk has done :x