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On June 23 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Why not? All of them are lynchable, and sloOsh really doesn't have an excuse for it. Also, this argument rings hollow when you want to lynch someone (Yamato) who's by miles doing more scumhunting.
Well if there were 5 people that could be lynched (with ShiaoPi), I would lynch them all.
Every time we lynch a lurker D1 they always flip town. That's why I'm almost always against LAL.
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Also Cora, regarding your Yamato case, you're suspicious of him over two things:
1) Shiao unvote. This is non-allignment indicative. Someone changing their mind isn't scummy. It sounds like you wanted him to tunnel Shiao more, which is a strange argument since you're finding him scummy for essentially being more reasonable.
2) "DP kick" - again, not allignment indicative. What precludes a townie from wanting to lynch someone over themselves? Fact is, both town and mafia are desperate not to get lynched, and it serves as pretty good motivation to push your reads strongly.
However Yamato's push (while I don't all together agree with it) shows that he's carefully reading the thread and is not balls out retarded. That's enough for me to think that he's town.
Furthermore, Yamato has put more scum-hunting efforts in the latter half of this day than any other player. That's a pretty big town-tell, and you can't ignore the rest of his filter while harping on one or two things you may not agree with or like.
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On June 23 2013 05:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
I have a strong feeling about DP being town for a couple of reasons:
1. His play has been productive and level-headed for most of the game. He is contributing to discussion and I don't believe he is hiding anything. His play seems very genuine to me and he has been very logical and reasonable in everyone he has analyzed. I don't see anything in his filter that looks scummy to me.
2. There have been a couple points where Hapa has been under fire. Instead of joining the wagon or not saying anything, DP has come out multiple (at least 5 times) to say that a Hapa lynch is a really stupid idea due to Hapa's importance to town. It would be so easy for scum DP to jump on the Hapa lynch train or to just sit out of the way and let a Hapa lynch train form. The fact that he went out of his way to defend Hapa means that he wants to keep Hapa alive for as long as possible, which would be super beneficial to town.
I can explain both of those points by pointing out that he's only talked about me and OO the whole game, and nothing else. We are his reads. He didn't even call Hapa town, he just said he didn't want to lynch him day 1.
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On June 23 2013 03:25 Coagulation wrote:
Marv so far has completely failed to put any pressure at all on me. He seems content with leaving me fucking off calling him scum like herpderp because he knows its not gonna gain traction. Instead hes focused on the bigger players in the game cause he doesnt see me as a threat.. town marv wouldnt be so passive about me IMO.
I'm just catching up before my shower.
Are you serious? I always ignore you day 1 because you're completely worthless. You're just completely uninteresting and there's no point interacting with someone who just says pointless shit for no reason.
This is the first time I've seen you try to make a "sensible" comment but it's bullshit and it stinks horribly. How much did we interact on day 1 in the last omgus game we played? Did I even talk to you once?
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On June 23 2013 05:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
I have a strong feeling about DP being town for a couple of reasons:
1. His play has been productive and level-headed for most of the game. He is contributing to discussion and I don't believe he is hiding anything. His play seems very genuine to me and he has been very logical and reasonable in everyone he has analyzed. I don't see anything in his filter that looks scummy to me.
2. There have been a couple points where Hapa has been under fire. Instead of joining the wagon or not saying anything, DP has come out multiple (at least 5 times) to say that a Hapa lynch is a really stupid idea due to Hapa's importance to town. It would be so easy for scum DP to jump on the Hapa lynch train or to just sit out of the way and let a Hapa lynch train form. The fact that he went out of his way to defend Hapa means that he wants to keep Hapa alive for as long as possible, which would be super beneficial to town.
1) I believe you'd think differently if you've seen any of his past scum-games. What Yamato and I are more concerned about is not his lack of out-ward scumminess (which he never really shows regardless of allignment) - it's his lack of out-ward townieness.
Point is, he's null at best on this.
2) I'm one of the hardest players to mislynch on TL. Defending me is not that risky of a move. In fact in the last few games I've played with DP (both of us being town), he's tunneled the fuck out of me in each one early in the game.
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That scumslip thing is the dumbest thing I ever heard.
Actually scumslips DO exist, 2/3 of the scumteam in Dr Who demonstrably scumslipped. However, this is not one of those occasions. I'm on page 42 and I'm starting to get wobbly jellies about this OO thing, so
##unvote
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Marv, ignore Coag and update me on what you think OO's recent behavior makes of him.
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Vote Count
marvellosity (0): cDgCorazon, Coagulation
cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (0): Hapahauli, cDgCorazon
yamato77 (3): DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, Secret Vote, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet
ShiaoPi (1): marvellosity, goodkarma, yamato77
goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi
slOosh (0): Hapahauli
ObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk, marvellosity, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Hapahauli (0): yamato77, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
DarthPunk (3): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, yamato77, ObviousOne, Coagulation
yamato77 is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
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Alright, I'll give in. Hapa has good points.
##Unvote
Now, I really want to lynch Coagulation. Would we be able to agree to that?
##Vote: Coagulation
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On June 23 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:
For example, it obviously not you or Marv. I doubt that Sloosh, GK, OO, or Coag made the vote. That leaves shiao/ange/adam as all afk lurkers who wouldn't have had the timing to made the vote. Oats, Rayn, and Cora have no reason to hide their suspicion of me.
Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote.
Terrible reasoning yamato, I've done role-shenannies before as mafia and I made sure I stayed the fuck out of the thread when I did so for precisely this reason.
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Well hey look, now my strong town read is going to be lynched. Please get off the DP train Yamato.
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Think I ninjad you there a little Hapa
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On June 23 2013 05:30 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Why not? All of them are lynchable, and sloOsh really doesn't have an excuse for it. Also, this argument rings hollow when you want to lynch someone (Yamato) who's by miles doing more scumhunting. Well if there were 5 people that could be lynched (with ShiaoPi), I would lynch them all. Every time we lynch a lurker D1 they always flip town. That's why I'm almost always against LAL.
I don't think you understand the purpose of Day 1 play and lynching lurkers. The goal of Day 1 is to get a good lynch. This doesn't mean you necessarily have to hit mafia - you want to kill someone that you think could be mafia, but also isn't an asset to the town. This is because Day 1 lynches are the most random - why take a huge risk on an active player when you can be much more risk-averse by lynching a lurker?
In the present case, it's possible that a lurker we consolidate on will be town. However it's a much better option than lynching an active player who's going down kicking and screaming, because those players flip town %99.9 of the time.
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On June 23 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well hey look, now my strong town read is going to be lynched. Please get off the DP train Yamato.
I'd really rather not.
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Honestly I wouldn't mind lynching Coag, but that would be more of a spite lynch than anything else.
I really think we should be lynching sloOsh or Ange. Preferably sloOsh.
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On June 23 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:
For example, it obviously not you or Marv. I doubt that Sloosh, GK, OO, or Coag made the vote. That leaves shiao/ange/adam as all afk lurkers who wouldn't have had the timing to made the vote. Oats, Rayn, and Cora have no reason to hide their suspicion of me.
Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. Terrible reasoning yamato, I've done role-shenannies before as mafia and I made sure I stayed the fuck out of the thread when I did so for precisely this reason.
It just lines up too well, man. I don't think DP expected the votecount to get posted then. He left and placed it at the same time. It's just too perfect.
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On June 23 2013 05:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
I have a strong feeling about DP being town for a couple of reasons:
1. His play has been productive and level-headed for most of the game. He is contributing to discussion and I don't believe he is hiding anything. His play seems very genuine to me and he has been very logical and reasonable in everyone he has analyzed. I don't see anything in his filter that looks scummy to me.
2. There have been a couple points where Hapa has been under fire. Instead of joining the wagon or not saying anything, DP has come out multiple (at least 5 times) to say that a Hapa lynch is a really stupid idea due to Hapa's importance to town. It would be so easy for scum DP to jump on the Hapa lynch train or to just sit out of the way and let a Hapa lynch train form. The fact that he went out of his way to defend Hapa means that he wants to keep Hapa alive for as long as possible, which would be super beneficial to town.
DP may be town, but the second point is totally bad. Good scumplayers, of which DP is one, do this sort of thing all the time so players make these sort of defences for them.
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Out of all of the lurkers, Coagulation has had the oddest game. First he randomly sheeps on my joke vote for Marv, and then he just goes into all of these silly tunnels on Marv. Now, he just decides to swing onto DP for basically no reason.
He's not playing like a normal lurker. He's playing dumb, and I think it's because he's hiding something sinister.
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Sorry I'm late, here and catching up
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On June 23 2013 05:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote:On June 23 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:
For example, it obviously not you or Marv. I doubt that Sloosh, GK, OO, or Coag made the vote. That leaves shiao/ange/adam as all afk lurkers who wouldn't have had the timing to made the vote. Oats, Rayn, and Cora have no reason to hide their suspicion of me.
Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. Terrible reasoning yamato, I've done role-shenannies before as mafia and I made sure I stayed the fuck out of the thread when I did so for precisely this reason. It just lines up too well, man. I don't think DP expected the votecount to get posted then. He left and placed it at the same time. It's just too perfect.
Yes and it's a conspiracy theory above all and you know how those go.
If you're lynching someone because of vote timings and when people are in the thread when I *know* from my own experiences that mafia carefully plan around these things, then you're doing it wrong.
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