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On June 23 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa, what do you make of DP and the vote shenanigans?
I analysed it on the last page. It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. 1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective. Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game. Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch. 2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me. ...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now. For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence. That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working. Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch.
That's actually true. No townie has claimed the vote, and someone should have claimed it by now if it was a town vote.
However, why are you precluding the possibility of someone off of your wagon (and not pushing your lynch) from placing said secret vote?
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On June 23 2013 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:
For example, it obviously not you or Marv. I doubt that Sloosh, GK, OO, or Coag made the vote. That leaves shiao/ange/adam as all afk lurkers who wouldn't have had the timing to made the vote. Oats, Rayn, and Cora have no reason to hide their suspicion of me.
Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. Again, I'm not making a lynch decision based on the assumption that the Secret Vote is a scum role. Could be 3rd party, and hell I do think it could be some town "double-voter" role. But behaviorally, what makes DP scum? I don't want to coin-flip a lynch on an active player, and there are better targets for such lynches.
What makes him scum? He's actually not as active as you think. Look at the content of his posts. It essentially hasn't changed since the beginning of the game. He's posting to LOOK involved, but in reality, he's not even trying to do anything but get either of me or OO lynched, and hasn't even done a very good job of explaining why either of us are good lynches. He's repeated himself multiple times and made brevity posts, but it's obvious that he's not town from his involvement of the game. You admitted it yourself!
The secret vote is obviously not town. Why would you care if its third party or scum? If he's 3P, he's obviously anti-town, because he's trying to kill a townie with his role.
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Can we get an updated votecount?
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Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here.
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On June 23 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote:On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa, what do you make of DP and the vote shenanigans?
I analysed it on the last page. It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. 1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective. Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game. Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch. 2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me. ...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now. For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence. That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working. Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch. That's actually true. No townie has claimed the vote, and someone should have claimed it by now if it was a town vote. However, why are you precluding the possibility of someone off of your wagon (and not pushing your lynch) from placing said secret vote?
The only people that have an interest in lynching me are:
1) incorrect townies (who I've ruled out)
2) Scum (DP may or may not be, and the other candidates for scum are largely lurkers)
3) Anti-town 3P (who DP may or may not be)
You agree with me that most active players besides DP seem town enough. Lurkers simply aren't here in the game to make the vote at the right timing to get my lynched. Who else would it be but DP? LOOK AT THE TIMING. IT PERFECTLY COINCIDES WITH HIM LEAVING THE THREAD.
On June 23 2013 00:38 Acrofales wrote:Vote Count marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon, Coagulation cDgCorazon (0): OatsmasterOatsmaster (0): Hapahauli, cDgCorazonyamato77 (2): DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon ShiaoPi (1): marvellosity, goodkarma, yamato77goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi slOosh (0): HapahauliObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk Hapahauli (2): yamato77, raynpelikoneet
ObviousOne is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
The last votecount before the one with the secret vote.
On June 23 2013 02:19 HiroPro wrote:Vote Count marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon, Coagulation cDgCorazon (0): OatsmasterOatsmaster (0): Hapahauli, cDgCorazonyamato77 (3): DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, Secret Vote ShiaoPi (1): marvellosity, goodkarma, yamato77goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi slOosh (0): HapahauliObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk, marvellosity Hapahauli (1): yamato77, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet DarthPunk (1): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, yamato77
yamato77 is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in .
Less than 2 HOURS LATER, the votecount shows the vote.
Who was in the thread that could have made the vote? DP.
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On June 23 2013 04:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here.
STOP TUNNELING
BE GOOD AND READ WHAT I'M POSTING
I'M SOLVING THE GAME
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On June 23 2013 04:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here.
DP might possibly be scum.
Yamato is not scum.
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Honestly the very fact that an unclaimed secret vote is on Yamato should give you a lot of pause about how legitimate your suspicions are.
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You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic.
The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting.
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On June 23 2013 04:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic.
The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting.
What the fuck is too late about Yamato's actions right now?
And if this was desperation, isn't ObviousOne, or even a lurker so much of a better target?
Cora, absolutely none of this makes sense.
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On June 23 2013 04:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic.
The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting.
Why the fuck would that vote come from town?
Just think about this without being tunneled and thinking I'm mafia. I've been suspicious of DP the WHOLE GAME. There's no flip-flop here.
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@ Coag, Marv, and/or all the other lurkers
Get your asses in here and help us consolidate.
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This is really going to be one of those games where I'm active and involved and I still get lynched, isn't it?
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Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.
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On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.
It's not a scum-claim. I have virtually no clue about how it could be considered one.
There's an argument to be made that OO should be lynched for lack-of-content/lurking, though his behavior in the last few hours seems genuine.
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On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.
It's not a scum claim.
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On June 23 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it. It's not a scum-claim. I have virtually no clue about how it could be considered one. There's an argument to be made that OO should be lynched for lack-of-content/lurking, though his behavior in the last few hours seems genuine.
The problem is there's like 3/4 people who can be accused of the same thing. That's why I'm leaning away from an OO lynch today.
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On June 23 2013 04:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it. It's not a scum-claim. I have virtually no clue about how it could be considered one. There's an argument to be made that OO should be lynched for lack-of-content/lurking, though his behavior in the last few hours seems genuine. The problem is there's like 3/4 people who can be accused of the same thing. That's why I'm leaning away from an OO lynch today.
I don't want to lynch OO either.
I'm between sloOsh, Ange, and maybe DP right now.
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Based on voting and the people here, DP is literally the only alternative to me.
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Actually hell. OO, where did you run off to?
You apparently have behavioral reasons to think DP is scum. Explain them to me.
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