• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:41
CET 04:41
KST 12:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !6Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2006 users

Catch 22 Mafia - Page 43

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 114 Next
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:31 GMT
#841
On June 23 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa, what do you make of DP and the vote shenanigans?

I analysed it on the last page.


It requires far too many assumptions.

Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread.

Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption.

1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective.


Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game.

Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch.

2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me.


...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now.

For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence.

That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working.

Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch.


That's actually true. No townie has claimed the vote, and someone should have claimed it by now if it was a town vote.

However, why are you precluding the possibility of someone off of your wagon (and not pushing your lynch) from placing said secret vote?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 19:33 GMT
#842
On June 23 2013 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote:
For example, it obviously not you or Marv. I doubt that Sloosh, GK, OO, or Coag made the vote. That leaves shiao/ange/adam as all afk lurkers who wouldn't have had the timing to made the vote. Oats, Rayn, and Cora have no reason to hide their suspicion of me.

Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote.


Again, I'm not making a lynch decision based on the assumption that the Secret Vote is a scum role. Could be 3rd party, and hell I do think it could be some town "double-voter" role.

But behaviorally, what makes DP scum? I don't want to coin-flip a lynch on an active player, and there are better targets for such lynches.

What makes him scum? He's actually not as active as you think. Look at the content of his posts. It essentially hasn't changed since the beginning of the game. He's posting to LOOK involved, but in reality, he's not even trying to do anything but get either of me or OO lynched, and hasn't even done a very good job of explaining why either of us are good lynches. He's repeated himself multiple times and made brevity posts, but it's obvious that he's not town from his involvement of the game. You admitted it yourself!

The secret vote is obviously not town. Why would you care if its third party or scum? If he's 3P, he's obviously anti-town, because he's trying to kill a townie with his role.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:35 GMT
#843
Can we get an updated votecount?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 22 2013 19:38 GMT
#844
Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here.
Grubby's #1 Fan
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 19:38 GMT
#845
On June 23 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Hapa, what do you make of DP and the vote shenanigans?

I analysed it on the last page.


It requires far too many assumptions.

Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread.

Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption.

1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective.


Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game.

Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch.

2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me.


...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now.

For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence.

That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working.

Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch.


That's actually true. No townie has claimed the vote, and someone should have claimed it by now if it was a town vote.

However, why are you precluding the possibility of someone off of your wagon (and not pushing your lynch) from placing said secret vote?

The only people that have an interest in lynching me are:

1) incorrect townies (who I've ruled out)

2) Scum (DP may or may not be, and the other candidates for scum are largely lurkers)

3) Anti-town 3P (who DP may or may not be)

You agree with me that most active players besides DP seem town enough. Lurkers simply aren't here in the game to make the vote at the right timing to get my lynched. Who else would it be but DP? LOOK AT THE TIMING. IT PERFECTLY COINCIDES WITH HIM LEAVING THE THREAD.

On June 23 2013 00:38 Acrofales wrote:
Vote Count

marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon, Coagulation
cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (0): Hapahauli, cDgCorazon
yamato77 (2): DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon
ShiaoPi (1): marvellosity, goodkarma, yamato77
goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi
slOosh (0): Hapahauli
ObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk
Hapahauli (2): yamato77, raynpelikoneet



ObviousOne is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in .


The last votecount before the one with the secret vote.

On June 23 2013 02:19 HiroPro wrote:
Vote Count

marvellosity (1): cDgCorazon, Coagulation
cDgCorazon (0): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (0): Hapahauli, cDgCorazon
yamato77 (3): DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, Secret Vote
ShiaoPi (1): marvellosity, goodkarma, yamato77
goodkarma (1): ShiaoPi
slOosh (0): Hapahauli
ObviousOne (2): marvellosity, DarthPunk, marvellosity
Hapahauli (1): yamato77, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
DarthPunk (1): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, yamato77

yamato77 is currently set to be lynched. Deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) in .


Less than 2 HOURS LATER, the votecount shows the vote.

Who was in the thread that could have made the vote? DP.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 19:39 GMT
#846
On June 23 2013 04:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here.

STOP TUNNELING

BE GOOD AND READ WHAT I'M POSTING

I'M SOLVING THE GAME
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:40 GMT
#847
On June 23 2013 04:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hey guys, I'm back. I'm really glad to see we steered off the DP lynch train because that was literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Yamato, the fact that you're not trying to defend yourself and instead are trying to WIFOM your way out of lynch shows that you're just grasping at straws here.


DP might possibly be scum.

Yamato is not scum.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:43 GMT
#848
Honestly the very fact that an unclaimed secret vote is on Yamato should give you a lot of pause about how legitimate your suspicions are.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 22 2013 19:43 GMT
#849
You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic.

The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:45 GMT
#850
On June 23 2013 04:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic.

The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting.


What the fuck is too late about Yamato's actions right now?

And if this was desperation, isn't ObviousOne, or even a lurker so much of a better target?

Cora, absolutely none of this makes sense.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 19:46 GMT
#851
On June 23 2013 04:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
You're running under the assumption that the vote is from an anti-town faction. That's not very good logic.

The problem is that now that you're on the chopping block, you're finally sticking to a singular read instead of flip-flopping. It's too late man. Too late. I can't tell whether that move is out of desperation or you actually think DP is scum. I don't agree with that, so I'm more inclined towards leaning that your attempt you get DP lynched is born out of desperation and not born out of scumhunting.

Why the fuck would that vote come from town?

Just think about this without being tunneled and thinking I'm mafia. I've been suspicious of DP the WHOLE GAME. There's no flip-flop here.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:46 GMT
#852
@ Coag, Marv, and/or all the other lurkers

Get your asses in here and help us consolidate.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 19:53 GMT
#853
This is really going to be one of those games where I'm active and involved and I still get lynched, isn't it?
Writer@WriterYamato
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 22 2013 19:54 GMT
#854
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:55 GMT
#855
On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.


It's not a scum-claim. I have virtually no clue about how it could be considered one.

There's an argument to be made that OO should be lynched for lack-of-content/lurking, though his behavior in the last few hours seems genuine.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 19:56 GMT
#856
On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.

It's not a scum claim.
Writer@WriterYamato
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 22 2013 19:57 GMT
#857
On June 23 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.


It's not a scum-claim. I have virtually no clue about how it could be considered one.

There's an argument to be made that OO should be lynched for lack-of-content/lurking, though his behavior in the last few hours seems genuine.


The problem is there's like 3/4 people who can be accused of the same thing. That's why I'm leaning away from an OO lynch today.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 19:59 GMT
#858
On June 23 2013 04:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can someone run me through OO's "scum claim"? I'm really confused about it.


It's not a scum-claim. I have virtually no clue about how it could be considered one.

There's an argument to be made that OO should be lynched for lack-of-content/lurking, though his behavior in the last few hours seems genuine.


The problem is there's like 3/4 people who can be accused of the same thing. That's why I'm leaning away from an OO lynch today.


I don't want to lynch OO either.

I'm between sloOsh, Ange, and maybe DP right now.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 22 2013 20:00 GMT
#859
Based on voting and the people here, DP is literally the only alternative to me.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 22 2013 20:01 GMT
#860
Actually hell. OO, where did you run off to?

You apparently have behavioral reasons to think DP is scum. Explain them to me.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Prev 1 41 42 43 44 45 114 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 187
ProTech138
Nathanias 70
Ketroc 45
StarCraft: Brood War
Sharp 307
Bale 212
Mong 36
Noble 21
scan(afreeca) 20
Hm[arnc] 12
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever319
League of Legends
C9.Mang0397
JimRising 327
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox329
Other Games
summit1g9986
XaKoH 469
PiGStarcraft272
ViBE194
Trikslyr53
Mew2King52
Livibee44
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22398
League of Legends
• Doublelift3950
• Rush188
Other Games
• Scarra837
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
7h 19m
ByuN vs Creator
Clem vs Rogue
Scarlett vs Spirit
ShoWTimE vs Cure
OSC
10h 19m
Big Brain Bouts
13h 19m
YoungYakov vs Jumy
TriGGeR vs Spirit
CranKy Ducklings
1d 6h
WardiTV 2025
1d 7h
Reynor vs MaxPax
SHIN vs TBD
Solar vs herO
Classic vs TBD
SC Evo League
1d 8h
Ladder Legends
1d 15h
BSL 21
1d 16h
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.