EPTOn June 23 2013 03:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Mornin all, catchin up
Mornin all, catchin up
You.
I'm watching you.
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was me who questioned the secret vote, not Oats. Oats called it WIFOM. Regardless, his interaction with the vote makes it unlikely that he's the holder. The holder would probably not want to acknowledge its existence, like DP did when he left. Oats has no reason to make the vote and then post about it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On June 23 2013 03:53 yamato77 wrote: When you read OO's posting since the apparent mistake, does it seem like he's scum scarmbling to cover it up? Not to me. He's been consistent in his explanation the whole time. It's also conceivably true that OO is self-critical about his play and understands how Sloosh could have viewed his posting as scummy / suspicious. I hesitate to vote from him because I feel there's a good chance that he's town. This chance does not exist with DP, who I firmly believe to be mafia. Yes it seems like that to me. Also DP is leading on OO and while i think it is a bad decision for scum!OO to go after DP that's not something 100% guaranteed. I also think OO scumslipped and that makes me believe he is scum and DP is town. | ||
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yamato77
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it seems like that to me. Also DP is leading on OO and while i think it is a bad decision for scum!OO to go after DP that's not something 100% guaranteed. I also think OO scumslipped and that makes me believe he is scum and DP is town. I do not think that scumslips truly exist, after my experience with BH in Les Mafia. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it seems like that to me. Also DP is leading on OO and while i think it is a bad decision for scum!OO to go after DP that's not something 100% guaranteed. I also think OO scumslipped and that makes me believe he is scum and DP is town. Fuck. Where is Blazinghand? Scumslips don't exist. You are proposing that I, as scum, agree with sloosh that I am scum (the noun, not the adjective) and that it is a scum slip. Then I explain my thought process to you and you are like "nah fuck it, scumslip"? What the actual fuck, Rayn? | ||
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yamato77
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Why would scum OO ever make that mistake? Wouldn't scum OO be more wary of people who are suspicious of him than to apparently agree with them? Nevermind that he didn't actually say that it was the truth, he just said that he understood how Sloosh could see it that way. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I don't want to argue with windmills, if you can't see why OO is obvscum, lynch someone else. I'm done for today, look closely into Hapa/yamato. | ||
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ObviousOne
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote: Yamato what do you think about Shiao? Could still be scum, would rather lynch DP. Seriously, he's actually demonstrably mafia. | ||
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ObviousOne
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On June 23 2013 04:07 yamato77 wrote: Could still be scum, would rather lynch DP. Seriously, he's actually demonstrably mafia. I'm not interested in switching, I just want to talk about Shiao because he's my #2 right now and it's just you and me right now I guess until Hapa is done reading. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Shiao and GK appear to be playing a side-game with one another - both think each other is scum, yet are doing very little to push their opinions. This is pretty normal for them though, as town-Shiao is known for early-game lurk, and GK is on record saying he doesn't read his role PM on Day 1. I don't like their play, but neither is a good lynch for today. I don't think DP is a good lynch for today. There are aspects of his play I don't like, however I feel that the reasons people have been suspicious of him for (myself included) are fairly inexact and within the realm of town-DP. He is a very null read for me, but that doesn't justify lynching him right now. One of the main arguments seems to be that there's a lack of engagement on his part than their normal town persona, but that could be said about half the players in this game right now (and obv not all of them can be scum). I like ObviousOne's play in the last few pages. It's not aesthetically pleasing, but it seems genuine and town-motivated. Sylencia/Adam also get the replacement-pass for today. The good lynches for today are the lurkers, namely sloOsh/Ange. Neither has done very much, and neither has shown any engagement in the thread. I'd be pretty happy killing sloOsh right now on the basis that his contributions (while I approved at the time) were fairly meager/non-committal, and that he fucked off from his promised activity. | ||
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yamato77
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I analysed it on the last page. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote: Hapa, what do you make of DP and the vote shenanigans? I analysed it on the last page. It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. 1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective. 2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 23 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote: 1) It doesn't makes sense at all from a town perspective. Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game. Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch. 2) I don't suspect anyone else but shiao/ange/adam and they are all afk lurkers. There's no one who is both active enough to place that vote to try to get me lynched and also someone that would have any interest in lynching me. ...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now. For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence. | ||
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yamato77
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Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 23 2013 04:25 yamato77 wrote: For example, it obviously not you or Marv. I doubt that Sloosh, GK, OO, or Coag made the vote. That leaves shiao/ange/adam as all afk lurkers who wouldn't have had the timing to made the vote. Oats, Rayn, and Cora have no reason to hide their suspicion of me. Who is it, then? DP is the only one that makes any sense. And it's obviously not a town vote. Again, I'm not making a lynch decision based on the assumption that the Secret Vote is a scum role. Could be 3rd party, and hell I do think it could be some town "double-voter" role. But behaviorally, what makes DP scum? I don't want to coin-flip a lynch on an active player, and there are better targets for such lynches. | ||
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yamato77
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On June 23 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote: Who knows. Hosts design "red herring" roles all the time. I understand thinking that a secret vote could be scummy, but basing a lynch decision on it is a whole different game. Secondly consider this argument - if you are town, and someone on your wagon is scum, why would scum place a secret vote on you? It creates all sorts of alarm-bells amongst the town and questions about the lynch. ...which is why we need to lynch an afk lurker. There are too many liabilities right now. For example, you seem not to want to lynch sloOsh because he's "more readable down the road." Well DP is readable down the road too, AND he's more active of a presence. That's just it, OO and Cora are probably town. The secret vote was placed on me to get me lynched, and it's actually working. Who has a vested interest in actually getting me lynched? DP. It's obviously his vote, and he's obviously not town. A townie would claim the fucking vote even if they did have it, because they have no reason to hide their intent to lynch. | ||
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