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WARNING: This game contains RNG. It is definetly possible that you and your team could be favored (or the opposite) by the RNG gods. This is part of the game. If you can't live with that, this game has a high chance of not being for you. (Nobody ever knows with RNG, though.) RNG. So does that mean I can bitch at you after the game when my team loses because too many vets/not enough vets/newbie scumteam etc? /in | ||
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On May 28 2013 01:08 Dandel Ion wrote: I didn't even mean that with the RNG warning, though obviously I WILL RNG the teams too. Sure you can bitch, but I'm just gonna tell you that I warned you and not listen to you. This guy. Complains when people doesn't get that he's trolling/kidding and then goes all spr srs just 'cause he's a big bad host. | ||
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On May 30 2013 09:43 Stutters695 wrote: Lynch WoS first imo. I never get lynched breh | ||
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On May 31 2013 03:07 Promethelax wrote: /out. really sorry. Prom NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO At least recruit someone of your exact skill calibre and personality before you go! | ||
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I town. Doing some stuff but I'll be around in an hour or less. Less lynch some scum k? K. | ||
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On June 04 2013 09:20 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah that makes sense, same thing he did in les although he was scum there. I need to check if he does that every game. He does (or at least says he does) in pretty much every game yeah. Alignment null. Vayne I hope you ARE scum this game so I can have the pleasure of fitting your head in a noose. | ||
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On June 04 2013 11:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hot damn. This is the first game where I've either played with everyone on the list or been in a game hosted by them. Except for Vayne. Never played with Vayne before OCD tiem ##Vote: VayneAuthority Or me...? | ||
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On June 04 2013 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Could've sworm I played with you before Narp. Ok setup spec bores me. Wat we do till something happens? | ||
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On June 04 2013 11:29 Ace wrote: we could randomly start voting people off and see who goes apeshit  It doesn't work if you TELL them that's what you're gonna do. | ||
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On June 04 2013 12:15 Stutters695 wrote: I haven't really read the scum qt from Les Mis, was JJD active in there despite his lack of posting in the thread? Oooo I like this question. JJD was decently active though I'm not sure he was more active than the points in time he was active in the thread exactly. I would say he was around in the scum QT when we needed him so him lurking is *probably* scum-indicative if we're going all meta on him. It's funny because my bus cases against JJD were pretty damn accurate and I wonder if my mathematical analysis of his posting will follow in this game (it certainly pointed to his activity being scummy in Les). Even so it's way too early to determine if JJD is scum based on activity just yet. (I also probably wouldn't call someone scum based solely on activity anyway.) | ||
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Sorry to be a downer but I both love and hate D1 and this game has me leaning towards the hate side, strongly. Sloosh, is your lurking indicative of you being scum, ie Carnival Cruise? Rayn, where you at? JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think? Vayne you can answer as well. | ||
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On June 05 2013 00:28 Ace wrote: not yet. Game seems so blasé right now Fixed that for you. If the game continued as is, would you be content with a lurker lynch or would you rather attempt to lynch from those who have contributed so far? | ||
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Let's see if I can't add a little input here. Regarding Oats: can't read him worth shit. He trolls heavily with brief moments where he appears to be contributing but I honestly can never tell what he's up to. I'd be tempted to policy lynch if I were that sort of person, but I'm not. Regarding me: it's been almost 24h into the game and every single game I've played in has had WAY more activity than this by this point. You can call it feigning annoyance if you will but the lack of conversation truly bothers me as I am generally a very high activity player. My advocacy for a lurker lynch is combination that frustration and a conversation-starter and as such, mission accomplished. As far as buddying up to previous scum, look into that as much as you feel like, but it was honestly just asking for people's opinions. Zephirdd, it seems as though you're looking into my play and taking the absolute worst perspective possible without considering the town motivation behind it whatsoever. Would you consider that good scumhunting? | ||
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On June 05 2013 04:26 Vivax wrote: Anyway. First of all, I have three exams in the upcoming weeks, the 10th my oral as addendum to my written exam of today, two other written ones with two other orals, then another written one the 26th without oral. This is a disclaimer for everyone who will try to judge me on my activity. I should be reading books, not mafia, and I will give my best with the time I have. Judge me on the content of my posts. If anyone tries to dig up some meta shit or activity argument to push my lynch, they will be claiming scum in the thread, and I will hit them so hard that they will regret herping so hard that they derped. Now, off to le notions I have to rewrite, I'm slightly drunk sorry. @ Stutters Your case against prplhz is that you think he's wrong about what he says in his case, and that he plays differently from his past games. Nothing in what you say proves a scum mentality. You prove he's wrong about Zeph with more meta about Zeph. All your arguments seem to be meta, can you at least find me one that isn't? I absolutely hate this shit. It's arrogant and completely shuts down discussion before it can even be had. Scum BH said something like this in Carnival Cruise regarding prplhz and his meta case on kush which turned out to just be mafia fucking with the thread. If people want to make meta cases on you they can go right ahead and fucking do it. Now: On June 05 2013 03:22 Zephirdd wrote: I don't know, its hard to find the townie perspective of your questions. Both the "what do you think of my play" and the lurker lynch consideration were way too early to have a town motivation, when compared to scum motivation for that. Knowing that there is low activity, and the fact that you don't seem to be bringing new things into the table(low post count =/= lack of content), do you consider yours a good town gameplay so far? what do you make of s0lstice's case on jaybondage, for example? Town motivation was literally asking questions of people to try and divine their alignment. Knowing how both JJD and Vayne played scum last game, I was curious if their answers towards my questions would help me figure out anything about the way they would be playing this game. If you choose to ignore this point then that's your prerogative. As far as new things brought, I brought plenty of new things to the table, including the suspicion and discussion towards me. Any discussion is good discussion on D1 even if the subject is somewhat misguided; it will allow people to get reads of me, with which I am fine. I consider my own townplay perfectly good and accomplishing exactly what I have set out to do, whilst being completely transparent in my thought processes in the meantime. Regarding Solstice's case: The fact that he recognizes himself as occasional lynchbait without going out of his way to correct this is either absolutely awful townplay or scum pre-emptively making excuses. There is no other explanation I can think of and therefore agree with Solstice's and layabout's point. I'm not sure how *pokes with sitck* constitutes meaningless pressure though; it honestly doesn't even look like pressure at all so I find it kind of odd that anyone would be quick to jump on that particular post of jay's. Something very odd going on here though because jay's post after that strikes me as even weirder: On June 04 2013 11:59 jaybrundage wrote: Layabout its not even real pressure it seems pretty obvious to me that he was role playing. Havent you ever wanted to poke a drunk with a stick :D Also i plan to pressure who ever i want for any reason i want or for no reason at all. How exactly can what Vayne said be interpreted as roleplaying? I get the poking a drunk with a stick but that's a really odd interpretation of what appeared to me to simply be Vayne excusing his play. (The fact that it turned out to be fake means jay somehow already knew this?) He then goes on to say he can pressure who and how he wants which is probably a towny post on its own, but again, can what he did actually be said to be pressuring at all? A very aggressive stance to take where in my opinion, none was necessary. There are oddities in jay's play, to be sure, and the main point I agree with of Solstice's is the fact that Jay felt the need to make excuses for his play early on while apparently AWARE of his bad play rather than correct it. I would like to see more from jay himself before making a call. Solstice's case was really just a rehashing and agreement of what layabout had already said so while the point was good, it doesn't really give me any info about Solstice's alignment other than the fact that he is content to sheep others thus far while contributing nothing new of his own. | ||
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On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote: Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice No one addresses my post which has said much of the same stuff Vivax did, surprise surprise. AAAANNNNYYWAYYY Why should we be giving you a free pass exactly if you have acknowledged that you're lynchbait? Why do you continue to play as such? | ||
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On June 05 2013 06:29 Zephirdd wrote: K I'm back. So, the case vs prplhz was kinda bad. His case on me was kinda sucky too, but there wasn't much going on either. I don't think he is someone to be focused. Someone to be focused is, however, WoS. > Complains about thread activity > Only replies to whatever was thrown at him There are a million methods of bringing in interactions, and his two queries(asking JJD/Vayne and adovcating lurker lynch) were not town methods of bringing in interaction. Any player, scum or town, would answer "null" to his questions; Lurker Lynch would suck here because of the amount of lurkers. WoS, do you even have any reads? Any posts that strike as scummy instead of stupid? Do you think Vivax might be scum out of that post or do you think it's too early? What do you think of the cases presented in thread? Remember that you don't have to answer everything and you could just tell me to fuck off, but you gotta show your town play! I'm tempted to find you scummy since you are pushing my lynch with no basis whatsoever. You say that I only reply to what is thrown at me yet my very last post before this one was unprovoked as was today's entrance to the thread that you found scummy in the first place. I have explained the motivation behind everything I've written which is still not good enough for you. I am really not sure what angle you are trying to push, but the more you push it the worse it looks to me. I have a fun little heuristic to go off of, too, and you're ringing them alarm bells, buddeh. | ||
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On June 05 2013 07:03 Stutters695 wrote: Also, where the fuck is oats. I've written off sloosh but oats is ridiculous. Why have you written off sloosh? | ||
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There's a fat load of people who don't seem to give a shit about the state of the game right now. Complain about me complaining if you will, but that's just how I feel. There are a bunch of people who have notably stepped up; Stutters I must say I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of effort you've put it thus far. You no longer find prplhz to be scum; do you have any other reads atm? | ||
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On June 05 2013 07:05 Zephirdd wrote: -____- rly @Stutter he is singaporean so his timezones are very different from ours. Can you explain your post please? You're not happy with someone sheeping onto what is apparently your main scumread? | ||
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On June 05 2013 11:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I had problems with his lurker policy lynching (goes against my best interests, I lurk with pride) as well as asking people whether his play was scummy or not. His reply was this: Basically he's saying that by accusing him it stirs up discussion. But why? If attention is on him, as town it's crappy play because it distracts others from finding scum, and as scum he can WIFOM his way to finding a different lynch target. I don't think perfectly good townplay involves painting yourself red to see who comes out of the woodwork. This is where Zeph comes in to push WoS's intentions and WoS retorts that it's scummy to lynch him after he's explained his motivations. I find his motivations scummy however, hence I want to lynch him. Of course, WoS, I would be more than happy to see some of your scumreads and a FOS if it is too early to place a vote on someone. The intent wasn't to make people accuse me or 'paint myself red' but at least in saying what I did it generated discussion. I found what Zeph said scummy in that he continued to accuse me before reading my latest explanation; if you'd read our exchange you would have already read that. I don't have any particularly strong scumreads and I don't usually on D1, so if by leaving your vote on me you think it will pressure me to do so or you will lynch a scum I regret to inform you that you are wrong on both counts. The only person I find particularly scummy atm is jaybrundage however I have been informed that he is 'lynchbait' and as such we should just give him a free pass. Who am I to argue with better players such as Vivax? | ||
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On June 05 2013 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prpl; you asked me about jay and wos. I need to hear more from him. I know from some games ive read that he is a possible lynchbait if town, but i don't like him using that as defence. Would lynch if he is not willing to do shit. About wos. I don't like his stance on lurkerlynches early on in the game. Why bring that up? I also don't like his stance on jay. How on earth does what Vivax says about jay being a lynchbait affect wos' opinion? Why does wos just take vivax at face value if he thinks jay is scummy? that is scummy. ##Unvote ##Vote: WoS btw i think vayne is town. He has a weird playstyle but his defence on me is 100% correct. My activity is not alignment indicative. I dont want to lynch stutters any more. I misread some stuff in his prpl case, and his response to my vote was a townie one. He did not get overly defensive. I also think prpl is town. Im gonna look more into other people tonigh. Ace, who do you want to lynch and why? Time to start doing stuff if you are town. It was sarcasm you idiot. Seems its the ol' "D1 lynch wagon on wave started by scum that fails" again. I can't be sure that Zeph is scum since it doesn't fit into the style that scum usually starts their wagons on me, but ill bet there are scum on this wagon atm. I'm not getting lynched today though so its ok guise. When my kid goies down for a nap I'm going to run a train on some fucking scum so prepare your anuses. | ||
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I don't want him dead. Yet. I was also thinking of looking into Rayn and Sentinel. I'm not sure how likely it is that they're both scum since they're the last two who jumped on me. Again, proper analysis to follow soon when I can. | ||
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Alright ill have a look as well when I can. Can't see wanting to lynch him above rayn atm though. We're going to have to do some serious consolidation later if I'm the lurker 'park your vote and fuck off' target though, just sayin'. | ||
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On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: OK first off the Vayne vote was a joke. That much should be obvious. I was wrong about WoS being a scum given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing. So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum. [##Unvote] [##Vote Oatsmaster] What are you actually DOING in this game? | ||
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Anyway after looking at Rayn on first glance aside from his activity (which is WAY worse than usual) his style seems to be exactly as I would expect from a town Rayn---throwing his vote all over the place, multiple reads, and what appears to be the beginning of a line of questioning on me before he fucked off. It's the fucking off that presents a problem for me because Rayn ALWAYS has more activity than this early game. His voting and lines of suspicion are also way more erratic than this; here he seems comfortable just to join other people's wagons rather than start his own. Rayn does not play 'safe,' at least not that I've seen. He's not afraid to make himself a target, push his own reads all day and all night, question anyone and everyone, and just in general be a crazy mafakker. Just from the games I've played with him: Les Mafia - Went absolutely nuts D1, suspected people who were in no way mafia at all, engaged town in discussion constantly. Carnival Cruise - Content to have me as a townread when basically no one else did, pushed a lynch of OO for most of that day, good activity. Mafia LXI - Tunneled a read everyone else had as town for a long time and engaged him in discussion (Sharrant) constantly, changes reads frequently but never hesitates to follow a line of questioning as long as is necessary. Take the above with a grain of salt if you will, but this doesn't feel like Rayn's play to me. There are a few hours left in the day yet but if he adds to his filter it's possible that I may change my read of him. Now, based on his posting in this game alone: On June 05 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's one of my points against stutters. He himself obviously did not even check the mexican standoff fully. And SK is more likely to play as town because they do not have teammates. Other than, why the fuck would you make a meta case on someone who just said he is trying to change his "meta" because in last games of his he has been up for D1 lynch regardless of alignment? Nothing prplhz has done this game is particularly scummy imo. If there is something i have missed, let me know Stutters. After voting Stutters because his case on prplhz is 'bad,' this is the first actual reasoning he gives. It's debatable as to whether he came up with it on his own or let Zeph come up with it for him. Not really alignment indicative on its own but when you figure that Rayn is more often than not very involved and will come up with proper reasoning or at least push a read when he votes someone out of the blue, this doesn't look great. On June 05 2013 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prpl; you asked me about jay and wos. I need to hear more from him. I know from some games ive read that he is a possible lynchbait if town, but i don't like him using that as defence. Would lynch if he is not willing to do shit. About wos. I don't like his stance on lurkerlynches early on in the game. Why bring that up? I also don't like his stance on jay. How on earth does what Vivax says about jay being a lynchbait affect wos' opinion? Why does wos just take vivax at face value if he thinks jay is scummy? that is scummy. ##Unvote ##Vote: WoS btw i think vayne is town. He has a weird playstyle but his defence on me is 100% correct. My activity is not alignment indicative. I dont want to lynch stutters any more. I misread some stuff in his prpl case, and his response to my vote was a townie one. He did not get overly defensive. I also think prpl is town. Im gonna look more into other people tonigh. Ace, who do you want to lynch and why? Time to start doing stuff if you are town. I've already explained why his vote on me is just awful; I was being sarcastic towards believing Vivax at face value. Obviously sarcasm is not easy to detect over the internet which is fine I guess, but again, lack of reasoning here. He also votes me based on the fact that I wanted to lurker lynch despite me having explained it multiple times. He literally asks 'Why bring that up?' and leaves it. Like...why the fuck not?? Especially given that I explained my stance and elaborated on it, something which Rayn does NOT do here. A point for him is the last post where he attempts to question others about his read on me, which is a town Rayn thing to do, but then he disappears, which is decidedly NOT. I am fine with a Rayn lynch today if activity continues as is. ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:18 prplhz wrote: My answers aren't waffle, I never said that you said [UoN]Sentinel was overly scum, it's not really disconcerting and you should really think I'm town by now. I did way more already than I did in my last many games town or scum games. Yes, I think I want to lynch VayneAuthority. ##Vote VayneAuthority lolwut Where did that come from? I'm going to look into Sentinel now. I believe that at least one of the 4 people who voted me originally are scum. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:28 prplhz wrote: I think this post is really weird. "Of course I am going to be playing way differently" what the hell? Townies usually play the same and don't make huge changes in their play because they play the best town game they can. That doesn't change from game to game. VayneAuthority seems very concerned about people reading him. His early game drunk-not-drunk trolling also seems very focused on himself and seems nervous. He also prods but doesn't seem like he wants the game to move forward. There, just shutting Oatsmaster down but not trying to move the thread forward. The only thing I agree with here is the 'not trying to move the thread forward.' From what I've seen from Vayne he starts to get going later on. I agree with his point on Ace, and I can understand why he says he'll be playing differently (he has come under a lot of scrutiny since migrating to TL from MS or epicmafia I forget which because his playstyle is very different from what we're used to here, ie proposing no-lynches on D1). The one thing I don't quite get is the fact that he says he'll be playing differently but aside from not saying things that get him laughed at on TL, he hasn't done anything different at all from his usual play. I don't want to lynch him today but right now I'd say the most damning thing about his play is the fact that he just doesn't give a shit about town right now. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. so you are voting me for my activity. Fine, whatever, there is nothing i can do about it for 1,5 weeks. I have no laptop and im still working for 12h/day. Maybe i should not join games before that then. Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything. I havn't had time to look at sentinel yet. Sloosh wanting to let the discussion to stay only at me/sent is scummy, not going to explain why, because everyone should see it. Idk wtf layabout is doing, making a case on prpl and then debunking points from it in the same post.. Wtf. Im going to stand behind my read on vayne for the reasons i have stated, as he seems to be the only one to realize that is true. WoS if your comment about Vivax was sarcasm, why is jay scum? And why is your vote on someone else? And why are you not trying to expand the read at all? I know, because you are scum. Because I no longer think Jay is scum? His posting has improved a great deal since the beginning of the game. Got anything else to add? Rayn I find it odd that you immediately start posting after I make a case on you based on your activity, despite the fact that you're extremely busy and can't post often. Why wait until now? | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:57 layabout wrote: Vivax i reckon at least one of the people on the WoS wagon is scum. What do you think? On June 06 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote: lolwut Where did that come from? I'm going to look into Sentinel now. I believe that at least one of the 4 people who voted me originally are scum. I want to talk about this a little. I've found that it a whole bunch of my past games, scum are likely to attempt a mislynch on me that begins to pick up steam but then fails. This has happened in Carnival Cruise, Ego Mini, and The Game. Most of the time, it's a fairly large case pushed by one member of the scumteam (BH in CC, Tunkeg in Ego, kitaman in The Game). Now in this case I'm not sure what to think. Ace technically started the wagon with his random vote, but never made a case or pushed his vote on me. (It could be argued this is similar to the SK Promethelax in Carnival Cruise who started the line of suspicion but never pushed or voted me?) Next up was Zeph whose case was weak imo and didn't bother really pushing it beyond his initial suspicion and vote (the second post he made against me was before he read my explanations). Now according to the way this usually works, it would probably have to be Ace or Zeph as the scum who started this but I can't honestly be sure. I find it more likely in this case (because no large case was made and pushed) that the scum is Rayn or Sentinel who saw an opportunity to jump on a wagon they thought might have been going places (it never does). Either way, I believe that one (or more) of these four absolutely MUST be scum. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't like this. ##vote:WaveofShadow No Vayne, just no. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:38 Zephirdd wrote: Because we are trying to vote rayn and vayne just decided wos shoukd be lynched, creating a draw in votes and making it easy for scum to switch to whoever they want. Everyone vote rayne. I acknowledge that Im a terrible scumhunter, but the way the wagon formed on WoS after my case makes me sure that somewhere, there is something wrong with it. Vivax, consolidate please I like your reasoning about the wagon that formed on me, as it's exactly in line with my thoughts. About Vayne, however... I was waiting for him to respond but honestly fuck it I'm going to put my thoughts out there regardless. The fact that he would pull a retarded voteswitch like this makes me think he's town if anything, and just misguided. Vayne is smarter than that as scum and to jump on a dying mislynch wagon to force it through is just bad scumplay no matter how you look at it. There are a lot of people who have to consolidate still and it's not likely this early on that a tie will be forced. That being said, I've excused his bad play enough this game so Vayne, this is the last time I will defend you. If you want to prove that you're town you'd better do something about it. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: So what you're saying that anyone not voting for rayne is scummy? x2. If I have to move my vote to WoS to keep rayne from getting lynched I will. lol wtf is this shit? How is that both JJD and Vayne have 'gut' townreads on Rayn? You're both playing the exact same way right now, terribly. You'd rather vote one person you don't think is scum over another but you won't add useful scumreads of your own? Just horseshit play. Shape up. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: LOL. vote mkfuba then, he's my real scumread. ##unvote ##vote:mkfuba07 Why? Why should we all voteswitch if you won't put any effort into convincing us one way or another? | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:52 Stutters695 wrote: Oh God, never doing shrooms again. Catching up now Is there a good story involved? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think it's best to kill the person I think is most likely to be scum and Rayn aint it. This I get. On June 06 2013 02:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: Maybe x2ing wasn't accurate. I just agree w/ vaynes sentiment. I wont say rayn is a townread. I'll just say I haven't seen anything scummy from him @ all this game while I've seen several scummy things from you. Like for example: it seems like you know that vayne and myself are town right now when you're criticising our play. If you're town, I'd expect you to @ least think that we're scum. This I don't. Why do I have to be scum in order to criticize your play? What are the several scummy things you've seen from me? Why aren't you pushing your own scumread, Oats? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: You don't. But I'd think you'd @ least somewhat suspect us if we're trying to save your scumread from being lynched by voting for someone you know is town (yourself). I've mentioned stuff and so have other people. I mean, you've had several votes on you. Why do you think that is? I don't want to post a case against you because I don't think you're the best lynch today. But you're a better lynch than rayn. I voted Oats, posted my case against him, and responded to his rebuttal. What else should I do? Spam the thread? I already explained re:Vayne why just because you vote me to 'save my scumread' it doesn't necessarily make you scum. 'Stuff?' Does not compute JJD. Anything people have voted me for has been explained in great detail either by me or others. Care to explain why you still find me scummy? I've also already explained why there have been votes on me as well. If I'm not the best lynch today then you have no excuses. Push your goddamn target. When was the last time you said anything about Oats? People probably forgot all about him. Honestly, you're digging yourself a hole here. The fact that you continue to stand by your shit reasoning looks worse to me than Vayne having none. I want one of two things right now: You're either voting for me and providing ample reasoning for it, or you admit you were wrong about me and you continue to push Oats. Your play does not support anything else right now. | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:33 VayneAuthority wrote: And people called my gut read on prp bullshit and he was scum, nuff said Vayne I don't give a shit about D1 gutreads. There has been plenty of activity in the thread thus far, and unless the entire scumteam is lurking right now (possible, I know) then we should be able to find one WITH reasoning. This isn't epicmafia; we actually put forth effort on D1. | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote: Then you need to reread the game lol. We died the same day and all i got to do was push a prphlz lynch and have VE and other scum try to frame me. Im a good target for that so anyone trying to get me lynched is pretty suspicious. Hey this sounds familiar. You use this reasoning yet this same thing happened to me in the same game where they killed Kita and scum were trying to do something with it because in Kita's like 2 posts he mentioned me. Am I not allowed to use the same reasoning here to find a scumread? There were 4 people on that wagon trying to get me lynched and Rayn is one of them. You get into these fights almost every game with people here; I just don't understand how they must play on epicmafia. Does everybody just post random bullshit and hope they find scum based on luck alone? Or sit back and hope other people do the analysis for you? Explain what it is you DO here, Vayne. | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:42 VayneAuthority wrote: Well, I don't write long posts that are wrong hopefully that narrows it down. I come from a psychology background, not an english background. On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote: [/url]its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. Oh rearry? Was Spicy scum in this game? I forget. | ||
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You don't have to write long posts that are right or wrong, but you have to do something useful if you actually care about winning this game as town. If you're scum then continue to play as you are, I guess. Vivax, if you had to lynch someone other than Rayn, who would it be? Sentinel? | ||
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On June 06 2013 05:55 Ace wrote: Rayne voters: Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061 Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning. mkfuba: made the case on rayne Wos: also made a case on rayne Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch. Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3 looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk. layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613 says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864 sheep/gut read Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him. Rayn can 100% get me to switch my vote off of him if shows up in a bit like he says and performs as I would expect him to. Ace knowing how Oats plays why do you say Oats is a good lynch? | ||
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On June 06 2013 06:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm here. But my vote is already on Oats. I'd also be plenty fine w/ a WoS vote @ this point. Especially in light of his latest post. Oh he'd 100% switch his vote if rayn shows up and performs? W/ < 2 hours left he knows it's extremely unlikely to get everyone to switch to another target so what's the point of saying that? Wave, let's say Rayn does show up and convinces you he's town. Who would you switch to? You are so ridiculous. First: A point for him is the last post where he attempts to question others about his read on me, which is a town Rayn thing to do, but then he disappears, which is decidedly NOT. I am fine with a Rayn lynch today if activity continues as is. From my earlier case. If his activity doesn't continue as is, wouldn't it follow that I'd be fine to not lynch him? Considering he started to show his regular way of posting in the post where he asks about his case on me, I'd conisder it. But even more interesting is the fact that you say this, and yet you say: Have to run for a bit but I'll be back before the deadline just in case there's actually a good wagon to jump on. This is different because? Now as far as who I'd switch to, I'm honestly not sure atm. Oats doesn't look like a good lynch to me simply because I don't see any differences between how he is playing this game and what made me think he was scummy in Carnival Cruise. Ace returning and seeming to care about the lynch makes me not want to lynch him (not that I did earlier anyway). Interestingly enough, both solstice and stutters have promised activity and have not delivered. On June 05 2013 23:08 s0Lstice wrote: gentlemen, there's been a bunch of stuff conspiring to keep me away from a computer. Later today I should have time to catch up. I've been following loosely on my phone, so a closer read should be quicker than usual. On June 06 2013 03:49 Stutters695 wrote: + Show Spoiler + girlfriend was naked and rolling around on the floor. Friend was naked because he had pissed himself on my rug while his boyfriend ran and jumped into the pond to go swimming. Other friend shit himself and the fourth guy threw a beer into my neighbors face who laughed it off. My trip was really uneventful by comparison, but goddamn. shrooms, not even once On topic Rayn seems like a good lynch. Ok, maybe Stutters didn't promise activity but I hate when people sheep without providing reasoning. JJD if you think Rayn is a mislynch, would you say there are scum on this wagon? If so, how many and who? | ||
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ALLLL YOU HATERS Yay maybe this means my meta analysis is actually getting better. Rayn doesn't sheep, this game he sheeps. So this means mafia is pretty crippled right now, huh? | ||
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Essentially I feel like the places to look right now are: 1) Those who attempted to derail the Rayn wagon. 2) The rest of the people on the competing wagon at the time, mine. In that order. I'm not certain anyone else who voted me is scum tbh, it's much more likely we'd find at least one of them trying to defend him earlier in the day when they felt it could still be derailed. I won't be posting those who I feel are 'confirmed town' in my eyes either, but there are a few. One thing I'd like to note before I back out for a little while: On June 06 2013 01:32 prplhz wrote: I actually like WaveofShadow's case. On June 06 2013 07:00 prplhz wrote: Okay guys I don't think it's fair to lynch rainpelikoneet today simply because I think that his work excuse is legit. There are a lot of votes on him because of his relative inactivity which I don't like at all. The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read. That someone is very right about you should arouse some suspicion but I remember in that game where yamato77 smurfed he was really right about me and somehow that also made me get a very strong town read on him (he was scum I was town). I also don't think it's characteristic for scum to martyr in the way he does. There are no feelings in it, just some very collected thoughts about how "if you want to lynch me for inactivity then do it on day1 because it will not get better", that's actually very reasonable but it's not anything scum would say and I think scum would be much more emotional about martyring. In short, I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him. He's actually contributing really well considering that it appears that he really doesn't have much time for this game and the weird VayneAuthority read is not enough to make me want to lynch him. Interesting. | ||
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On June 06 2013 10:32 kitaman27 wrote: Hi Hi Oh god it's YOU. No trying to get me lynched this time, k? (Even inadvertently ) | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:27 kitaman27 wrote: Generally day one scum lynches are due to weak mafia thread control, not a bus, but I haven't read anything yet. Also, ##Vote WoS I wasn't suggesting that the Rayn kill was a bus, I was suggesting that any defense or prevention of Rayn's lynch may have also been in the form of trying to sacrifice the less valuable scum on the team by bussing them instead. Also Y U VOTE ME | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:02 jaybrundage wrote: Yay someone that is active (I hope) Ok now why shouldn't we kill you :3 /sarcasmish In response to Zepp I had no idea what rayn would flip. I was leaning townie. But the main reason i stayed on fuba was because i think he was scummier :o How was fuba scummier? | ||
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I've made plenty of 'mistakes' like that in the past and of course there's always BH's last game..... | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:33 Ace wrote: fuba is the only person most likely confirmed town This is wrong and you know it. | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: It is that fact. The reason why its a scumslip, is that he had no idea what Rayn would flip right? No apparently he knew that rayn would flip scum, and his vote would therefore look bad. And a 'bus'. SCUMSLIPS EXIST, THEY JUST ARENT THINGS YOU THINK THEY ARE. Or he was playing badly and a towny afraid of looking guilty after a likely red flip. I've made the mistake of doing shit like that before in my early games. I agree the Sent's posting has been godawful but the analysis I've done outside his posting makes me feel that him flipping scum is simply unlikely. It makes more sense in my opinion to discuss opinions during the day regarding Rayn's lynch. I'm sure at least one of the defenders must be scum; like kita said, they did not want to lose their power role. | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:37 layabout wrote: Still feel like this was a slip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807292 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807319 Hmm. Two slips makes it more likely and Oats you have a point I suppose. In any case I don't know yet who my main focus for D2 will be. | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:38 Ace wrote: He pushed his case vs rayne stronger than anyone else did and didn't have any reservations. I'm not going to go the arrogant towny route and assume that I should be confirmed town, but come on man, I pushed plenty hard. Hmm. I started to type up a few people who I feel are town and why but then I realized I probably shouldn't be doing that. At night. Before NKs. Interesting that you find it a relevant topic of conversation right now. | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote: ACE WoS. ACE IS THE PRIME PERSON. prp too. Alright Oats, what do you think of my last post regarding Ace, and what do you think of what I mentioned about prplhz 'liking' my case on Rayn then flipping pretty quick? | ||
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On June 06 2013 12:03 Ace wrote: Me being afk doesn't mean I'm scum though. The minute I came back I was active and even voted for rayne. I only attempted to switch off when we established rayne might be an inactivity lynch. What about that chain of events is scummy? What was I supposed to do - lurk? And then get accused for that too? I'm too lazy to check atm...when 'we' established Rayn might be an inactivity lynch? When was that ever established? I'm not sure who attempted to push that line of thinking in the first place. You had a long post that analyzed everyone's pushes on Rayn I believe and in the end you summarized it as 'half of us are voting because of inactivity, and the other half have legit reasons.' | ||
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On June 06 2013 21:38 Oatsmaster wrote: We lynching Sent tmr. Sent, if in fact you are town, go and look at Les Mis and emulate BH's play there after he got pretty much lynched for scumslipping, he flipped town. If you do that, Ill lynch whoever you want. I know its hard to be objective since I was scum but I want to say I wouldn't have lynched BH in that game. What do you mean you'll lynch whoever he wants? Assuming he is town, I can't say I'd trust his reads enough to do that. That being said I agree that Sent really needs to pick up his play. Vayne too imo. Still want to hear what he has to say about me making long cases that are wrong? | ||
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On June 06 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Im saying if he plays like BH in that game. I will sheep him. If he does whatever he does, I will push for his lynch. Is that hard to understand? Yes. It doesn't make sense to me that you'd sheep someone whose quality of reads is questionable, even if they are town. Also rereading the past few hours I'd like to hear from jay why he found fuba scmmier than rayn. | ||
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Oh wait, derp. Avoid the medic. Hmm so that means scum didn't have medic last night, huh? I was roleblocker. I was debating not claiming to see if anyone would be stupid enough to claim so I could shut them down but I really don't see that happening. | ||
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On June 07 2013 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: You honestly aren't that bad are you Wave?  Looks like I derped. I thought since we killed the rolecop and the first thing I read in the OP was 'factional KP' there was no point in RBing for higher risk of hitting a role of our own. I didn't have any particularly strong scumreads after Rayn. Blue roles are still my weak point it seems. Make of it what you will. | ||
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On June 07 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: scumslip or fail? Not that I have much room to talk Lol even if I were scum, how would it be a slip? Not to mention if scum didn't have the medic (which is how it APPEARS) wouldn't I have wanted to rb to try and hit him? Anyway I don't see the big deal tbh. Someone can explain it to me if its not the obvious fact that I could have blocked one of the KP. I'm still pretty confidernt we've got this. (And in other news I think I might actually need some blue coaching cause in all the games I've had, I never do much good. ) | ||
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With this claim (or fakeclaim) I don't think it's possible for both Oats and Ace to be scum. They can both be town if Oats is a miller...is miller self-aware or not? (I would assume not.) Ace could be scum fakeclaiming as Oats says, or it could be as simple as cop Ace catching scum Oats. I think it might make sense to have a look at all of the theory talk Ace had been doing regarding setup to see if it's likely he would try a fakeclaim here. Just getting this stuff all down in the thread; I will be doing all the stuff I've said myself pretty soon. | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:32 layabout wrote: WoS we have everything but yopur rb claimed so far, can you share it? We do not know if scum played avoid the medic we do not know if scum had the medic. Did you read the thread? I didn't rb anyone. Explanation followed. Jay claimed medic and he protected Vivax. If he is scum then they're setting up one hell of a long-con imo. | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:32 Ace wrote: I'll be back after the game is over. Read my posts, and read Day 1 all over again, please. Just be objective and you'll see exactly where I'm coming from. The game like....this game? Or basketball? | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote: [quoteJay claimed medic and he protected Vivax. If he is scum then they're setting up one hell of a long-con imo. Or he is scum and he protected anyone knowing it doesnt matter. Duude keep it simple. His night actions tonight dont show any additional light on his alignment.[/QUOTE] Not just him, but the fact that the night kills make it seem like scum were avoiding killing anyone who might receive a medic protect. Therefore if Jay is scum medic it means scum took the risk and killed lower priority targets to make it seem like they were avoiding the medic. | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Or he is scum and he protected anyone knowing it doesnt matter. Duude keep it simple. His night actions tonight dont show any additional light on his alignment. Not just him, but the fact that the night kills make it seem like scum were avoiding killing anyone who might receive a medic protect. Therefore if Jay is scum medic it means scum took the risk and killed lower priority targets to make it seem like they were avoiding the medic. | ||
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I'm going to go about it as if the copclaim doesn't exist and once I'm done I will factor it in. If at that point it makes the most sense to lynch Oats or Ace I will gladly go along with it. | ||
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On June 07 2013 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote: When Rayn returned to the thread, I thought he was town. Ok how about we dont lynch me or ace today. WE LYNCH prp. YES! What would make you think he was town? | ||
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On June 07 2013 10:37 layabout wrote: If mafia get cop they can always make this play regardless of the roleblock. Following the red check is a risk especially when the cop role is still around and more checks can increase our certainty. If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. | ||
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On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote: Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else. I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check. I am perfectly fine with this as it fits exactly with the way I'll be playing the day. Either way so long as discussion doesn't solely revolve around Ace/Oats today. | ||
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He did more to help town as scum than he's doing this game. | ||
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On June 07 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote: I like a 50 --> 100 percent chance of scum better than anything on the board right now but if anyone has a better plan then by all means. It's critical to get scum down to 2 ASAP because it brings down KP to 1 so I really don't see how we can lynch outside of ace/oats. Because it's possible they're both town you derp. | ||
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Random thought before I begin hardcore diving for the day. What if scum got cop (not necessarily Ace, but whatev), checked town Oats for whatever reason, and just happened to get miller back? This sets up a really good situation for them where a risky claim might lead to a miller lynch and a near town confirmation for a scum. Unlikely I know, but it might explain why Ace would attempt the trade....because if the above is true there would be no trade. Make of that what you will. Time to filter dive. #Wave'sconspiracytheories | ||
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On June 08 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause its not the night anymore. Oh hmm that's true, powers only exist at night. k ignore me. Back to filters. | ||
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For the record, it's this kind of shit that makes me have such a hard time analyzng Oats. He played this trolly, useless, at times tunnely style in Carnival Cruise and was town. Oats is definitely going to take me the longest. | ||
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On June 08 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: No its not that sentence, its the fact that I like saying bullshit reads to irritate people. Thats what makes it hard. Just go from the fact that You dont lynch the most vocal person in the thread, And lynch ACE INSTEAD. Vocal doesn't mean shit if it's useless and trolly. Now silence. I'm reading. | ||
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On June 08 2013 01:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Can you show me where you're getting this from? Serious question because I really never felt that anyone aside from you were considering lynching Ace. I do remember other people warming up to the idea a little, me being one of them, that being said, Ace isn't the kind of person to freak out and fakeclaim because he's worried about being lynched that early. (That's something I'd do lolololol) | ||
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Sentinel Leaning town on him. At the very least do not want to lynch today. It seems almost as though he knows a lot about what's going to happen before it does (ie Rayn flip, these quotes Mafia wouldn't kill him just because he's a vet. There's actual townies to shoot. What the hell kind of reasoning is this. I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not. I'm looking to chalk this up to bad phrasing much of the time. Including his two scumslips. His switch to Ace seems like a genuine flip and offers good reasoning. I think Vivax is overthinking it in his post tbh. To me it just looks like Sent is constantly changing and re-evaluating his reads based on various tidbits of info. There's also the fact that once again I find it unlikely that two scum would jump on my wagon in quick succession one after the other. Yes, they could be playing independently but having played scum finally, I think I have an idea of the mindset and it just doesn't seem likely. The one thing that worries me is his..I dunno call it 'style, or attitude?' It's the kind of thing that reminds me of my early play, but whenever I've made a townread based on that I've been burned by it (Clarity and GiygaS in LXI). One example is his worry about being framed (not mafia role-framed, but framed into looking like mafia. This is something I always worry about, and it often happens to me as town) which I think may be legit considering Sloosh pointed him out and was killed promptly. In the end, yeah, townread. I'm curious as to his interaction with Oats and Rayn as they seemed really odd to me, but Sent did no defending of Rayn and has stuck with Oats throughout most of the game. | ||
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Null-leaning scum. I'm not sure I can push a lynch through today, doubt it's even a good idea to do so.Getting this stuff out there nonetheless. On June 08 2013 02:13 VayneAuthority wrote: Uh I went through and read oats other scum games and he does pretty much the same thing as this game, in ego he even tries to get Ace lynched there too he asks people for their thoughts on a lot on his posts and spams questions. I hate using meta but I didn't really know what else to go off of. ##vote:oatsmaster This coming from a guy who says On June 05 2013 01:29 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't really care for meta, guess you'll just have to find out once the start actually starts rolling So, you don't really care for meta when used on you, but you're ok to use it to back up a scumread about whom you haven't offered up any other evidence other than 'gutreads,' and 'percentages?' You set up this air every game about how people don't like your playstyle and they just have to 'deal with it.' You know town deals with it? We lynch you. Your townplay has been severely lacking in the games I've seen you play, and as I've mentioned before, you almost seem to put in more effort to look towny in your scum game. This is so backwards I don't even know what to think, because your shit play is anti-town yet looking at meta it makes you town, where your pro-town play is scum play so you can actively look towny and hide. I've asked numerous times; besides martyring yourself (scummy), making excuses for your bad reads, offering reads with absolutely nothing to back it up, and being generally belligerent, what is it you DO as town to help us win this game? It's like you don't give the town any option but to get rid of you and waste our time. I know I had a townread on you earlier based on the way you jumped on a dying lynch wagon (mine) but now that means you heavily defended a now-flipped scum as well. Zeph may have been right about you, and though based on our last game together I would think your scum play is better than to do what you did, maybe I'm wrong. You get zero pro-town points from me; the only reason I'm not sure you're scum is because part of me wants to give you the benefit of the doubt that you wouldn't play this blatantly awfully as scum. If you're town, for the love of god, DO SOMETHING. Gentlemen, keep your eyes on this one; I may yet be tempted to push this depending on how the day goes on and depending on what I find when I move onto Ace/Oats. | ||
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I want to hear more from fuba, and jay. I also wouldn't mind comments on my reads thus far if people show up, though I know better than to expect it. At least at some point if I get shot maybe then people will look at my reads. | ||
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If Vayne is your #1 scumread then vote for him. We don't have to consolidate yet; if you are more sure of a Vayne redflip than an Ace redflip then why would you vote Ace and not push Vayne like crazy? | ||
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On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me. Dont derail this. If you derail this, its scummy. Dont do it I'm not derailing shit Oats, I've outlined my plan for the day and sticking with it, along with attempting to keep up discussion at the same time. I am not discounting you or Ace in the process. There is absolutely nothing scummy about what I am doing. | ||
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On June 08 2013 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote: prp: Sent: His vote on WoS with this explanation: See, his first point about lurker lynching is totally null. Second point which I bolded. WoS is saying that through his play, he has drawn flak and votes and controversy, like accidentally or at the very least, not intentioonally. Sent is saying that WoS INTENTIONALLY does this. The thing is, the correct conclusion to draw from Sent's analysis, is that WoS is town. It makes zero sense for mafia to come out early day 1 and get a wagon started on himself, when its very possible that it continues to lynch. And even if it doesnt, you arent really in a strong position going into day 2 either. So bad conclusions and bad vote. Like objectively bad. Sent is not bad. And then he votes for me and NEVER EXPLAINS in the slightest. At all. In a time where I was drawing some fire for my Ace push. after that, Rayn looks like he is gonna die, oh no better switch votes without looking scummy, so he explains his non voting beforehand. Why does he need to explain that if he says later that he is 'sure' that Rayn is gonna flip scum? Why is he thinking about survival and not lynching scum? Layabout: First off, a vote for Jay cause he 'dislikes' his attitude, and not cause he thinks in any remote way that his attitude makes him scum. So scummy from the get go. This quote is golden. You know who cares about appearances? Scum. Town dont, town wanna lynch scum. But could just be word choice, I personally dont think so. This is the only thing he says about the WoS lynch, or the game at all outside Jay until rayn asks him. I dont think that rayn asking him a somewhat softball question which layabout responds with his longest post so far. This post, Jay is the only one he wants to lynch right? But he doesnt seem intent to asking people to vote for him, or to get him lynched at all. It feels like jay is the convenient target that no one thinks layabout is suspicious for having. It does not feel like Layabout wants to get jay lynched. BUTTTTTT The current redeeming thing in his favor, is that he thinks Sent scumslipped and is pushing Sent hard. If Sent flips town, I will look back at layabout. It's funny your idea about how prp isn't scummy is exactly what made me think he is scummy. That quick change in attitude regarding Rayn looked awful, and I don't see how you can defend it. Regarding Sent: Again I may fall into the trap of my own early bad play here, but there is something to be said about town worrying about looking bad. If you look at my first few games I did shit like explaining why what I'm about to do looks scummy as town. Sentinel isn't new here though, right? We're assuming he knows better? I also disagree with your analysis of Sent's reasoning for finding me scummy. I semi-intentionally acted the way I did to get conversation started; I didn't know it would get people to vote for me but I've already explained that either way I found that successful. Assuming you didn't believe I was town, don't you think it's possible for me to have acted the way I did if I was scum? The wagon on me was weak and I knew it. When Sentinel accused me of being scum I answered him and explained it but I certainly wasn't thinking of it the way you were. Regarding layabout: His thoughts have basically coincided with mine all game. I have absolutely no reason to think he is scum right now above other people. | ||
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On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. What? No. GK at least put in the effort. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote: he was also called town for no reason by rayn I don't honestly see the value of that. It's WIFOM. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote: You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now. You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town. Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched? | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote: no its not. Why give scum partner 100% town read with iffy reasons when you can just say null? Vayne wasnt even under pressure in the slightest 'Iffy reasons' could be scum-derived in that he knows Vayne is town and gave odd reasons for it because he didn't want to make it seem like he knew Vayne is town. 'Iffy reasons' could also be scum doing his best to protect a buddy. Do you know for sure which it is? | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote: I already voted for who I want to lynch, there's no way around it. Percentages and the KP reduction is too good to pass up. Also ATE is going to get you nowhere with me so you can drop it. I don't know what ATE is. 'Percentages and KP reduction' are not good enough when you have made no active contributions to the game this far. As I've said I may not be pushing you today but I certainly will not be dropping this entirely. | ||
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You remind me a lot of Geript actually. Your play pisses me off, you make bullshit appeals to your own authority by saying things like you have a psychology background (WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NO MERIT HERE), and you blatantly misrepresent what I do and say. If YOU just look through my filter you'd see that I had been calling you town up until recently. Listen to Oats and DO SOMETHING. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: No, you putting in zero effort is half the reason your play is so scummy Just so you know, that quote was in response to my meta analysis of him, in which I said he DOES put in more effort as scum than town. So while his play this game would have him playing to his town meta, he himself said he would be changing it up this game. About to type up my Ace read. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:42 kitaman27 wrote: layabout's only real read is that Sent is scum, which conflicts with your own view. I'm not following your train of thought. I'm confused by layabout's reluctance to lynch into Ace/Oats, refusing to acknowledge that the kp is reduced with a mafia lynch. He shared multiple STRONG town reads on Ace prior to the cop claim, so it appears that his only reluctance is that both Ace and Oats are town. With a 8/9 chance of Oats not being a town Miller, he wants to lynch into a large pool players likely containing only two scum. A future check has an even better chance of getting impacted by the godfather/miller, a night hit, or a mafia cop. I was refrring to his thoughts on jay earlier on D1, his main defense of me being spot-on, and the reluctance to lynch into Ace/Oats. Hmm looking into him now I suppose the Sent read differs as well as the reasoning for not wanting to lynch into Ace/Oats ; it's that feeling of being manipulated that I don't like that drives me to at least consider a lynch elsewhere but not exclude an Oats/Ace lynch. Layabout's reasons are entirely setup-derived and seemingly....wrong if you look at the numbers. He says we should lynch Oats at first and then moves off the both of them entirely and yet never offers up a better choice. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Sentinel He gave a reason for his switch onto Ace. Read it. | ||
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Ace: Votes me for no reason whatsoever. This is either a tongue in cheek reference to this post: On June 04 2013 11:29 Ace wrote: we could randomly start voting people off and see who goes apeshit (I have been known to react...unfavourably to votes on me in the past so maybe he tried?), just a random vote for no reason, or dat 'scum starts wagons on WoS' thing, but to do so with no reasoning makes no sense. All the same I'm surprised at how much steam it picked up. On June 06 2013 05:32 Ace wrote: highlighted in bold. I think it is the main reason people are voting rayne. It's a pretty solid line of reasoning. If people are voting for him based on inactivity and not this case then yea we might be mislynching the guy. This bothered me. Ace afk a lot (typical) then comes back and votes Rayn. No reason given, but by quoting this he sort of lumps himself into one of these two groups without specifying which one. (No to mention my reasoning was inactivity with meta and legit reasons mixed in.) On June 06 2013 07:11 Ace wrote: ### unvote Thread activity died since I came back and I think this is fiisht. For the remaining people voting for rayne do you believe he is really just inactive or just Scum? I just don't follow this. He says later his reasoning for voting Rayn was based on fuba's and therefore not based on inactivity. Why does it matter then if he believes fuba's reasoning is legit why the others are voting for him? Scum is scum. I'm pretty sure jay also pressed this line of thought. On June 06 2013 12:22 Ace wrote: yes that post. read up the discussion surrounding it. It does matter what they think - notice how I originally voted for rayne. I was first on Oats (who ignored my question) and as I read the thread switched to rayne based on furba's post. As it went on it was clear some people were voting for rayne because he was inactive, and not based on scum reads. That is prime setting for a mislynch. Ok this strikes me as looking awful. He does a huge vote analysis on Rayn preflip and picks out people's reasons for voting him, ok. The thing I don't get is why he assumes everyone started voting Rayn for the same reaosn he did: Fuba's post. He says it was 'established' that it was an inactivity lynch...but it wasn't. Not at all. I even ask him about this, he directs me to re-read (which I did. Still don't see anything 'established') He pulls his vote off right at the end yet claims he wasn't trying to derail the lynch. Wouldn't removing your vote have the potential to derail a lynch? Overall Ace's behaviour looks really odd to me. Apparently Ace is this supermegastrong scum player but I've never seen it. His massive vote analysis where it seems he begins to hesitate on the Rayn lynch looks towny to me through sheer effort and analysis but then again I suppose a good scum player would certainly not hesitate to do this sort of thing. But then would a good scum player potentially throw himself under the bus for a fakeclaim? Unlikely I would think. The fact that he pushed Oats D1 and then supposedly checked him is either superlegit and expected town play or scumplay gambling on the hopes that 'LOLMILLER' would get him out of it...I would think Ace is better than that. In the end I'm inclined to believe Ace despite the odd behaviour surrounding Rayn's lynch, though I'd really like him to come back and continue to put effort forward...maybe address some of the points I've brought up here since his answers to jay didn't really satisfy me. That being said I'm not voting Oats until I analyze him myself | ||
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On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote: I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old: a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town? Before filter diving I can say that I have experienced this play of his before in the last game we were in together and he was town. Anything that people attribute to him as scummy I was essentially told in Carnival Cruise 'just Oats being Oats.' In fact, I'd really like Ace to comment on Oats in this game vs Carnival Cruise since he hosted it. If it's too much to ask him to do come up with this himself, then when i get the chance later I will dig up examples for him to look at. | ||
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And I'm just making it known in case I haven't already (I have) I hate this predetermined lynch plan bullshit. It never goes well. | ||
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I still don't understand your reasoning around which you argued with jaybrundage and your removal of your vote from the Rayn wagon. Your reasoning that he might be a mislynch because other people are voting him for inactivity...I just don't follow it whatsoever. If a bunch of people are voting somebody scummy for the wrong reasons, but you know someone is scum and you vote him for the right reasons, then all that matters is after the successful lynch you have to look at those who were doing so for the wrong reasons. It doesn't mean you shouldn't lynch someone you still find scummy. Overall I'd say I'm pretty damn convinced of your towniness (though this is probably the most effort I've ever seen you put into a game, and I've never seen you play scum...lololol) but I want to go over a couple other things as well. You mentioned you don't see why anyone would vote prplhz did you mean today specifically? Because personally his Rayn flipflop still looks awful to me and after this thing between you and Oats is dealt with one way or another he's going to have to be looked at. You also mentioned you agree with my analysis of Vayne...the problem is I'm not so sure I agree with me. Again, meta states he should be town with this shit way he's playing, but I just don't see why anyone who wants to show people they are town would play so blatantly horribly. (Again if you take what he said about changing his own meta at face value it flips around and he's playing scummy or something.) Some other random things worrying me like Vivax barely being around at all, me being not 100% sure of my Sent townread. I also still have to do an objective filter dive of Oats and I don't think I'll get to it tonight. | ||
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On June 09 2013 01:50 VayneAuthority wrote: Btw, if Oats actually does flip town and ace is scum, it means scum is putting a lot of faith into their last 2 players. We have to re-think who is "confirmed" town. If oats is scum, proceed as normal. I really hate days like this. This is one of the things that helped us win in Les; discussion only occurs around one topic, and tomorrow it'll be the same topic if Oats flips town. Not to mention the imp of the perverse just stuck his 3-pronged fork into my prefrontal cortex saying, "hey! What if Ace and Oats are both scum and this really is just one megascumplay. When I get home I will do my Oats read and vote someone or something. I feel helpless today and I hate that. | ||
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On June 09 2013 03:01 kitaman27 wrote: That would be the best scenario. Guaranteed 10v2 with all this blues? I'd take it in a heartbeat. Oh come on. If Oats flips red how likely is it that anyone would ebver think that he was bussing D1? Ace could get away with it until LYLO. Again, not saying its likely but just something I'mm always forced to keep in mind. | ||
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##Vote: Oatsmaster I've been wanting to do a dive into Oats all day but I'm just not going to have time. Kid won't nap, teething is a bitch. Just going to be a good little sheep on this one, albeit a black one since I just get awful feelings about how this is all going down. I'd like to say I'll make up for it tomorrow but our next day is practically set up for us one way or the other now, isn't it? | ||
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(Not that it matters this close to deadline anyway with nobody around. I'll do it for my own peace of mind though) Oatsmaster I tried to meta him but my meta-fu is still weak against him. In Ego where he played scum I know he tried harder than I've ever seen him try and it was the only game where I didn't really suspect him much, as opposed to Carnival Cruise and LXI in which he was town. And fuck he's up wasted too much time reading past games and I didn't learn anything. At the end of Ego it seemed as though Oats is aware of a meta of his and tried to actively change it up in Ego...makes me wonder if instead of being extremely town-oriented in this game, as scum he tried to be tunnely and troll-y but it backfired on him and as the day progresses and he realizes that trolling isn't getting him anywhere he actively tried to push Ace properly.... I honestly have absolutely nothing useful to add here and I don't have the time to do this properly. Oats if you're town then a) I'm sorry I didn't really have the time to do a read of you properly (not that I even know what I would have found if I went crazy in-depth, and not that I'd probably even be able to turn the tides) b) Don't troll as town early and draw so much negative attention? If you're scum well I had nothing to do with this one anyway so gj Ace/rest of town? I'll be back later tonight. | ||
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I wrote down random notes to myself from the time I last left until now: Scum are often around at the time of a lynch, see who posted. Whoever analyzed that in Les Mafia was right. One scum not voting for Oats to spread out. If we are to listen to Vayne (looks really opportunistic to me, first useful thing he's done all game? scummy.) Then listen to Oats maybe, and check out fuba Ace ABSOLUTELY MUST BE LYNCHED TOMORROW. There is no way around this. If they are both town then we just got fucked by RNG and there's nothing we can do. Don't waste a check on him, he dies. Period. I don't want to ggive him the chance to worm his way out. If this was a scum plan to get Oats killed then they have thought the next few days out and they have a pretty grand scheme going on so we're going to have to be on our toes. I want Ace dead but it worries me that he put in so much effort as to go through the entire thread and respond to everybody even though Oats was esseentially already going down. This was either done because he's town or to make sure no one switched votes later on, something which didn't seem very likely at all. The shitty part is that again if it's RNG that fucks us then we're just fucked because we can't let Ace live after that. In conclusion, burn Ace with cleansing fire and stay the fuck active or we lose. | ||
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On June 09 2013 12:12 VayneAuthority wrote: Do you think Sentinel is using me as a goodkarma and tunneling me hard for scum purposes or is he just as useless as me? I think with this very question you are already becoming more useful. Why now? | ||
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Firstly, you mention that there are 2 scum that bussed Rayn hard. Referring to Ace's separation of those who voted Rayn into the "had good reasons to vote" camp and the "inactivity lynch" camp, which camp are those scum more likely to fall? Secondly, what are your thoughts on how we need to proceed on Day 3? | ||
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On June 09 2013 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote: They didn't necessarily have to bus him hard but they definitely voted somewhere in the middle of the pack im guessing or maybe even early (this is all assuming ace is scum) I would say the ones to me that look the most suspicious are stutters, Vivax, JJD. Leaning towards sentinel being town but really can't tell what he's doing tbh. stutters- Tosses around his vote a bit and is quite active, more than I would like from stutters but maybe he just had time on his hands. The damning part is that he kind of ends up on rayn with no real reason, just pops in the thread late and votes him. Vivax was trying to push a lynch on a weak player(me) which is something we both know scum love to do, and kind of just voted for rayn for no reason at all either. JJD is doing the same thing as last game where he kind of pre-conceives before the flip but I cant get a good read here, null leaning scum I've dropped the mkfuba thing but you thing I should re-examine it? Vivax worries me simply because he's generally a much better and more active player than this. As such he is often killed by mafia very early in the game and yet wasn't. Stutters and JJD I'm going to have to look into at some point but it's not going to be right now. If you're assuming Ace is scum then remember that Fuba is the only 'confirmed town' read that Ace bothered to give. If the bussing was going on as you say and Ace is indeed scum then there is a hefty plan going on here, and it wouldn't surprise me if Fuba was set up real early on that bus and given a confirmed town read just so he could stay alive until LYLO. He certainly has the activity and the 'flying-under-the-radar-ness' that people don't bother questioning him because his reads are fairly clear and he has been around when necessary. I agree with you that no one goes unscrutinized at this point, including yourself (as well as me, if people so desire). As far as D3 goes and the upcoming NKs, I urge that people use their roles sensibly and knowing we lynch Ace tomorrow, to not waste your time with him. I agree that D3 should be used to setup for endgame in that we all vote Ace and move on from there. I absolutely do not want the day to stagnate like I feel D2 did somewhat. Again if this was a scumplan for Ace to sacrifice himself, they have accomplished exactly what they set out to do. Aside from their agenda being mostly to shut down discussion (semi-successful) I am unsure as to what else that entails and it worries me. On June 09 2013 12:25 VayneAuthority wrote: Day 3...well first of all we have to see who dies and what roles people claim. Then we need to carefully consider our lynch, Ace is probably going to die but we don't really need to discuss that unless some one gives an interesting cop report or something. Day 3 should be used to setup for endgame I presume | ||
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On June 09 2013 12:30 Ace wrote: We aren't lynching me immediately. I already told you - take a Cop check. It is the best path to avoid a string of Town deaths. Quiet. You and so many others wanted to talk about numbers? Fine. The chance that you rolled cop AND Oats just happened to roll miller and you chose him of all people to check on that specific day are smaller than 1/9. It's been a while since I took probability but I know that much. And if it IS true? Well I'm personally willing to take that chance because otherwise we end up at LYLO with an LXI-Palmar (ie someone we can't trust worth dicks) and then we lose. I'd rather eliminate all doubt here and now and move on at a disadvantage than allow you to weasel your way out of it, waste our check (and on top of that, have the fortuitous chance that scum gets cop/miller/whatever) and fuck us over even further. Lynching you is the right thing to do tomorrow Ace. End of story. | ||
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On June 09 2013 13:03 Ace wrote: You aren't lynching me because it would be a stupid move. You should check me to avoid a disaster. I've already outlined this numerous times. I was under no pressure of getting lynched, could have easily not claimed Cop, or let anyone get mislynched if I was Scum. I'd also have the chance of Oats flip Town implicate me for a lynch the next day. Me getting lynched drops Scum Kp to 1, and allows for the scenario I outlined pre-game to take place. That is the entire reason Dandel Ion changed the Scum KP formula. For me to do all of this and risk the game, when I could have just done anything else is foolish. To account for this, as soon as I claimed I said you can check me tonight in the (at the time from my pov unlikely) event Oats flips Town. For me to be Scum here I'd have to: A.) fake a check on Oats. B.) Set up a reason to investigate him But my suspicions on Oats started entirely because he tunneled me when I was afk for most of Day 1. I even asked him why and he never responded. For me to be Scum here I would have to be gambling hard that I set him up and roll Cop the following night. That is a major stretch but ok, assume this is true and I am Scum. The next day, I am under no pressure to be lynched. However, I claim a Scum check on Oats knowing he'd eventually flip Town and screw me over. I'd have to be once again, gambling on the chance I get GF role or my scum team gets off another fake check. Ahead of time. For you to lynch me you have to accept that these 2 long- shot scenarios occurred. That I set myself up to be immune from investigation days before this scenario actually popped up. Now honestly, kita, Wos, and anyone else that wanted to lynch me before we even got to this point do you think I set all of this up? How would I have accounted for a bad roll of the dice if I am Scum? And how in the world are you all ignoring the fact that I am Town results in 8 players deaths in a row? Anyone who didn't take the time to think this scenario out and wanted a quick lynch are most likely Scum. You want to investigate someone else tonight? Pick between yourselves. Because Im not getting lynched tomorrow. Honestly? This defense is stupid. And anyone who falls for it is stupid. You didn't have to do shit ahead of time. As scum you can push a townie all day if he looks like shit to get him mislynched WITHOUT a cop check. If you are scum and you got cop it was just the icing on the cake to getting him mislynched. The only reason I can think of as to why you'd attempt the trade here is because you figure: a) you'll be able to weasel your way out of it. Like you're trying to do right now. b) You've set up fallback plans just in case you can't get people off your case. Those I'm not entirely sure of but it's not that hard to do. Hell, in Les Mafia we did the exact same thing. Vayne and I distanced ourselves so far in our reads that there was no way the two of us would ever be lynched even if one was. Your defense is weak, Ace. Hell just the fact that you'd insinuate that I am scum for attempting to push you today is just awful considering almost the entire town agreed with this plan ahead of time AND I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE IT. Show me all of the people who agreed to cop check you instead of lynch you on D3 and how anyone else is scum. Please. | ||
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You've already made it clear you're not going to help us lynch scum, Ace, so there's no reason to continue discourse with you after the NKs. | ||
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Alright Ace so that's three people now who don't think we should use the cop check on you. Not counting those who haven't spoken up since the flip. Guess that's all three scum coming out of the woodwork to push you right after a town flip, right? | ||
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On June 09 2013 22:17 Vivax wrote: What does this even mean? It's DEMOCRACY TIME Democracy doesn't lie. We don't cop check him tonight. As far as lynching him vs him being town goes, if you people want to fuck around with that tomorrow you're letting scum win. I will not be advocating anyone but an Ace lynch tomorrow, although I REALLY don't want to have to waste my time on dealing with him because again, not hunting for the rest of the scum is exactly what they want. | ||
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On June 10 2013 04:47 Ace wrote: kita, Wos here is a simple question: assume I am Scum. Why would I be begging you to check me for 2 days ahead of time to prove my innocence? 2 days? I count one ingame day where you started asking, and that was only after the check. As layabout and I have said (and I don't understand why layabout is now saying we should check you because of this) because you're gambling on scum's future with this. I already addressed this in my earlier post. If you don't want to read it or listen that's your prerogative. Ace you are absolutely not changing my mind on this. Better try the other sheep. As far as who else is scum, I have to re-read a bunch but I'm not going to get a chance before the NKs most likely. Oats' list is interesting to say the least; I wish he gave us a little more to go on regarding interaction with other people in the game before he died. I'm going to trash my townread on Sent because of him though, and look from scratch. Kita where dem big cases at, mang? Who is scum? | ||
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On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote: I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns. I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch. I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though. Wat. | ||
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Now assuming everyone who got power roles tonight are town, well fucking done. If they are still playing 'avoid the doc,' then it's more likely Vivax is mafia than I was hit last night, especially since he wasn't under a whole lot of suspicion over the last little while and out of the three mafia left (obv Ace couldn't carry out a hit) he was one likely not to get RBed. Let's learn a lesson from the Ace/Oats debacle, however, and not base everything we have on power roles on the days to come. We have another night ahead of us where we can learn more information and can gather reads on suspects today. If Vivax is in fact mafia I want to make sure we're not lynching him D4 solely on the basis of him as scum possibly getting RBed by a towny, I want to make sure there is plenty of corroborating evidence. Also know that if Ace is in fact scum (no reason to believe he isn't) we can start abusing power roles on the coming night. What's important to remember today (which most people if not everyone seems to have remembered thus far) is that Ace must die first and foremost, and we must keep up discussion. I really liked kita's preflip reads post and I have to look more in detail about some of the people mentioned when I get the chance. I'll have all day tomorrow as well as some time later tonight. | ||
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On June 10 2013 10:42 layabout wrote: vayne, sent, kita scumteam maybe prplhz Do you have reasons for those reads? | ||
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On June 10 2013 10:48 layabout wrote: Too mad right now. I am disappointed in all of you. Yeah I don't buy it. You only mentioned checking Ace a little bit before the flip, and earlier on in the day you made this post: On June 08 2013 22:49 layabout wrote: But if we do that then: If we mislynch today and mafia get cop or Ace get miller then we are boned. If ace is mafia they can give him a green check (or if he gets godfather) and then we follow the check and flip Oats. In this scenario Oats is going to be green and we are at lylo, we then lynch ace but remain at lylo. If ace is town they can give him a red check (or if he gets miller) we then lynch Ace who flips town. We are at lylo with a red check on Oats the chance of him being town miller and 3 mafia alive. Again this assumes no saves but i think a single save would still put us at lylo. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this post from the perspective that we DID decide to check Ace? Can you explain this please, I'm not sure if I follow your though process. Also, reads. Give me something to work with, here. And just ignore Vayne, it's a waste of time to get into it with him most of the time. | ||
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On June 10 2013 11:26 jaybrundage wrote: I know we have to keep up discussion. But its so hard when we have one lynch on the board that is pretty much guaranteed to go thru. Would anyone be down for voting to shorten the day. It would help keep discussion up and stop lethargy from hitting our town. I find that hosts rarely agree to artificially shorten the day; in this scenario I feel even more so that your request would be denied. Jay there is plenty to talk about just because we already have a lynch target for the day. For instance, I actually forgot to look into the post timings for yesterday's lynch into Oats which I said I was going to do, based on the fact that scum are more likely to be around at the time of lynch to be able to react to shenanigans/claims/what have you. People who posted directly after the lynch (within 1 hour): prplhz, mkfuba, Sentinel, kita, layabout, vayne. Prplhz Sentinel and mkfuba posted directly within 15 min of the lynch, though prplhz was around a little bit before as well. Of these I would like to direct attention to mkfuba. His post directly previous to the flip: On June 08 2013 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote: @Vivax: One problem I have with the reasoning in a) is that I don't feel like any scum is ever all too afraid of bussing oats right from the start. He's a hard read D1, and is also (I feel) oftentimes an unlikely lynch D1 because of that very fact. I'd have to take a closer look at how sent was pushing oats, but if it's just "his case on ace is ridic" then it's nothing that I'm sure most of the people here weren't thinking before sent said it himself. Because of this, I don't think scum oats excludes scum sent. As glad as I am that there's a lot of discussion going on (I have excuses for not participating up to this point, but I'll leave them out unless someone really wants to hear them), I don't see myself voting for someone other than ace or oats today. The likelihood of these two players being town and getting the exact roles that would put us in this situation given their previous interaction is negligible, imo. Therefore, at least one of them is scum. Oats seems most likely to me, given that it would be silly for ace to fakeclaim and expect "guess he was miller" to get him off the hook. I agree that if ace did fakeclaim, it's more significant than a 1-for-1 trade, but it's still a pretty big swap. ##Vote: Oatsmaster I've been asleep for a pretty long while, and I'm gonna go get food now. I also might have plans in a few hours, so I'll disappear again for a bit. Please tell me if there's anything in particular you want me to think about/look at/consider, since my time will be mostly focusing on oats/ace. In addition to being the most likely place to find scum, I feel that will give us the most to go off of going into D3. Not the timestamp. This is a full day before the flip. Now look at this. On June 09 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: Well... that was quite possibly my least expected flip ever... 5 MINUTES after the flip. This does not seem entirely coincidental to me as scum are often extremely active directly around the time of a flip. It would be one thing if he had post on and off throughout the day as some of the others who posted directly after did but mkfuba contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for an entire day and very little before that point; he is simply coasting on his 'confirmed town' status given to him by? None other than Ace. Kita I am aware there is a deal of merit considering he would have been the first to push Rayn somewhat on the first day and you gave him a recent townread yourself, but what do you think of this? A possible scenario I envision (and not entirely unlikely if Ace flips red) is that the decision to bus Rayn happened earlier on to give a lot of people towncred, especially considering Rayn may have informed his team that he would be inactive and therefore likely to die. This idea hinges a little more on the idea that Ace is scum however, since it would require massive lategame gambling and the sacrifice of scum's arguably strongest role. If Ace is scum this appears to be more likely since there must be serious planning going on for Ace to sacrifice himself alone. In any case if the scenario I pointed out appears unlikely then by all means ignore it for now; I'd like to hear what people think of mkfuba atm. | ||
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On June 10 2013 12:03 kitaman27 wrote: I don't think the mafia would bus their strongest role in a setup that town can so clearly benefit once we reach one kp. By busing rayn, they give up the ability to hunt the cop, rber, and medic and put themselves in a position where they are only one scum lynch away from the terrible position. Ace clearly wants to save rayn at the end of day once so they would have to be incredibly unorganized or fuba would be acting on his own. I'd rather look in another direction, such as Vivax. I agree. I think the only case it makes sense is something similar to LXI where they knew Rayn was going to go down to inactivity and they were forced to bus him? Possible that Rayn's return to the thread gave Ace hope so he tried to defend? I know at this point I'm probably just confirmation biasing my way through so I'll drop it for now. Kita can you give any more insight into Vivax? Your end-of-night read wasn't particularly informative. | ||
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There is plenty of time before that, however, especially if Vivax comes back once the 'cop business' is done and we get another night of good blue role usage. Activity today is unacceptable, ladies and gentlemen. Remember that this is exactly what scum wants, a dead thread. By playing follow the cop whether Ace flips red or green we are playing directly into their hands so we have to pick up our collective game. Kita since you have been actively answering my questions, do you think Sentinel is likely to be scum? That is, if Ace flips red do you believe the cop claim was done to save Sentinel's life? Also do you believe the green check on layabout? | ||
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On June 11 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Ace I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay. There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP. Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight. I was waiting for someone to bring this up as I was thinking of this possibility myself. At what point do we draw the line in agreeing that something scum would do ACTUALLY is really unlikely? It's unlikely at first that Ace is scum and sacrificed himself for this play, yet here we are. It's unlikely that they bussed Rayn real early because they lost their power role, yet something along those lines must have happened. Personally my line is going to be drawn here: it makes zero sense to me to artificially lower your KP as scum if you're on the cusp of losing the extra one anyway, especially since if they're gambling for the lategame with the Ace play, it would take them LONGER to get to lategame with one less KP. | ||
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Fucking follow the cop...I hate that shit. | ||
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Or is that JJD? I forget. Either way i still expect SOMETHING from him. I'm going to have to re-read Sentinel at some point because I want to re-evaluate my original townread on him. As far as Vivax/prplhz are concerned I'm going to wait on more info to solidify those. Either could be scum but I'm not sure about both. | ||
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And for the record I was never fine with 'follow the cop,' nor am I taking the blue role claims we got last night at face value. Let's see what will happen in an hour when people magically return to the thread and we'll go from there. | ||
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On June 11 2013 10:26 jaybrundage wrote: I dont see anything wrong with your plan Layabout. I'll follow it. I guess ace is just going down quietly lol I think that's how you know we're right. Died without a peep in LXI as 3p.... | ||
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His activity in this game is inexcusable, however good his case may have been on Rayn D1. | ||
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That's fucking retarded and people will be pissed at you when you ruin their games with inactivity. | ||
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On June 12 2013 05:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Unless someone counterclaims the roleblocker, Vivax. Counterclaiming (or fakeclaiming as scum if your team didn't draw the role) is suicide in this setup even more so than a regular one, Sentinel. That will never happen and it's honestly ridiculous that you brought it up. | ||
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Once again gj not wasting checks on Ace last night. I'm not good at coming up with plans to use roles and shit, but now that scum KP is at 1, what can we do? On that note I get the feeling Ace tried what he did because of all of his speculation talk in the pregame knowing we were going to think a certain way. I have to go back and read what he said. I know he didn't roll scum in the pregame obviously but I'm just saying I wonder if he planned what he did based on what he had said previously. I want to look into the possibility of Fuba being scum. I know it's WIFOM especially since Ace knew he was going to flip eventually but he did call Fuba confirmed town, and it's entirely possible they gave Fuba that case from the start. An early bus is not impossible here, is it? The obvious choices for the final scum are Vivax/prplhz/Sentinel I know, but we can't risk the fact that there is still strength in the scumteam still. (In which case I'd say kita, 'cause he gud scum) In any case I'm not sure we can understand entirely why Ace did what he did just yet, and we may have to keep on truckin' simply based on what we've learned about people in general so far. | ||
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There is no way that we've gotten this lucky with our checks/blocks. I was the roleblocker and I roleblocked Sent. It would be pretty damn miraculous if all of us were town and were all thinking the same thing that scum was thinking both night and managed to protect high profile targets/block scum KP. I am pretty damn sure that scum did not handicap themselves and doublestack last night though. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: Either kita got hit or Sentinel is godfather. More likely kita got hit prolly, which would be weird cause he aims to lynch me and Sentinel, but maybe scum was banking on townies sheeping him post-death. Or you're scum and getting us to play 'follow the cop' again. Based on the RB results last night I feel like this might be likely. | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote: Prplhz + stutters doesn't add up. Even if one of them is scum, they're both super active and that seems kinda unusual, given their lurky metas. What I notice and is a scumtell from stutters is the high peak in activity (and effort) at the beginning that dies off over time. Why is that a scumtell? Hasn't he never rolled scum before? Isn't his activity always shit on weekends and such? | ||
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On June 13 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote: Cause scum try to look tryhard when the game starts, but don't consistently keep it up. I disgaree but that's not what I'm focused on right now. Vivax I'm diving you as soon as I get the chance as I'm not lynching solely on the basis of PR return. | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:15 Vivax wrote: You forgot my initial case against prplhz in Carnival, before I sheeped BH out of a crazy sentiment. What? Are you replying to something else? | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote: I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too. You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion. ##vote:Vivax Alright hold on, I'm not following you. Oh wait, yes I am. Alright I see what you mean by 'I'm not clear' but I'd laugh if you called me scum. Yeah because the doublestack is unlikely this really does seem like the best course of action. ##Vote: Vivax + Show Spoiler + Of course we might be incredibly fucked if scum got multiple roles one night or some crazy shit like that... | ||
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On June 13 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote: not even close 0o not enough people dying, there's actually still a lot of people left in this game. Also mkfuba's recent post bothers me a lot. Well I know that, but I meant in terms of what today's lynch might mean in terms of town confirmations leading to us finding scum down the road. (Ie since they can only kill max one of us every night and we get checks/protects and such) Whatever we keep playing either way. Oh yeah and for the record I haven't liked fuba's play at all this game. I still think if there's one scum that's going to be hard to find due to scum fucking with us through them getting roles, it'll be him. | ||
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On June 11 2013 23:57 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah, sorry about that. Apparently most of my motivation to post is typically not getting mislynched, otherwise I'd just spend my time reading and thinking. The fact that many consider(ed?) me confirmed town made me really lazy. That, on top of the necessary Ace lynch today (as well as what I expected to be a guaranteed scum lynch yesterday) kinda wrecked me. Not really excuses, I know, but at the very least explanations. In any case, I'll be spending the next few hours (possibly all hours up to the lynch) getting better acquainted with the thread. 'Member this, fuba? Got anything of use to give us? At all? Oh yeah and that reminds me, I know I voted for Vivax but I still have to filter dive him because although it makes sense here, I don't like lynching on the basis of PR alone. | ||
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I don't know. Kita you've played scum more than I have. Is that a likely scenario? | ||
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He's definitely playing 'differently' this game. To what end I'm not sure. It could always be simply a factor of his activity (which has been lower to be sure, but that must be excused) but it's also a factor of him not acting all crazy 'conspiracy theory Vivax' or 'vote for people out of nowhere Vivax' that I've seen him do as town. He appears much more reserved and dare I say....careful. Not a very Vivax-y way to play. On June 06 2013 02:21 Vivax wrote: This dude is even a better lynch ##Unvote ##Vote Vayne On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote: If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood. ##Unvote ##Vote Rayn Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post? So these posts are about an hour apart. At first glance this appears to be the 'quickvote' Vivax I was referring to earlier but it still doesn't feel towny to me. He offers no reasoning to either vote, really, but the Vayne vote mystifies me as a scum move. If Vayne is town I don't see why a scum Vivax would draw attention to himself with a move like that. It would honestly make more sense if Vayne were scum with him and he thought Vayne fucked up so he wanted to be driving the bus. Preflip associations bad though, and it's not really likely Vayne is scum....is it? On June 08 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote: My analysis of Sentinel's play and why he is most likely town: At first glance this post looked really scummy for the reasons he used to switch to ace, but it provides valuable information. Sentinel is basing all his reasoning on two other people being scum, while having Oats as scummy as well (I disagree with the notion but it's probably town-motivated) Now, imagine Oats is scum and Sentinel too. That doesn't really fit, right? Sentinel has been pushing Oats throughout D1, then he added Vayne and prplhz as his scumreads, and ace revealed the cop check, and Sentinel thinks "Oh well two scummers are on another scummers' wagon so ace is scum", and Oats can't be scum. What has been going on here? These are the explanations: 1: Sentinel is scum, Oats is miller and ace is cop. Sentinel lynches Ace and still can lynch Oats afterwards. (improbable) 2: Sentinel is scum, Oats is standard town and ace is scum. Sentinel busses ace over his scumread for maximum town cred cause he knows that whatever happens, ace will die after Oats. (improbable, he has been pushing Oats all the time before) 3: Sentinel is town and genuinely thinks that Oats can't be scum cause two other scum reads vote for him, discarding the possibility that they know that Oats will die sooner or later. (probable) That means that, in case of an Oats red flip, Sentinel is town. And in case of an Ace red flip, he's also town, simply cause I don't see him going for an ace bus when all he has been doing so far in the game would have allowed him to keep pushing Oats instead of ace. If Oats was miller, then the reasoning is obviously useless, but I guess we have to gamble here. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night. Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start. If you still think that Oats could be town, go read what Zephir wrote about him in his analysis post before dying: On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote: I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old: a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town? He's been calling Sentinel town all game. He even used his cop check to prove it. Would it make sense for a scum team to go all-out and try to protect Sent like this? Ace saccing himself, Vivax behaving this way....something isn't right. I did find an interesting gem in that Layabout at one point went from 'Don't check Ace it's a waste' to "check Ace." I think I may have mentioned it before. I'm really worried about our cop checks now though. Vivax talks a LOT about the possible doublestack of JJD and this bothers me because it seems really unlikely so why bring it up constantly? ..... Sorry for the scattered thoughts in here, but I think if it weren't for blue results these past two nights I wouldn't be voting Vivax. His play is a little more careful this game to be sure but his analysis has been steady and seems genuine. I really don't like the implications of this because it almost assuredly means we have been misled by our blue roles. For now: ##Unvote | ||
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We should have waited for the vet claim last like layabout originally said (but also said it didn't matter) because if Vivax/Sent were scum they'd have no way of knowing if his target was a vet or protected and they might have fucked up. Interesting here actually because neither of them posted until well after Stutters' vet claim. | ||
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Anyway the point I made still stands...in future I think we have to claim in that order. Kita I don't think Sent read the thread either way honestly. What benefit is there as scum to lying about knowing a teammate's role? | ||
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On June 14 2013 04:25 jaybrundage wrote: Also what's your ign i didn't know you played lol :D We need to get some forum mafia LoL games going....I don't have time for lol lately though because baby and whatnot. I'll be in and out sporadically btw until later this evening if anyone has anything they want to ask/talk about. | ||
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On June 14 2013 21:26 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not seeing how it makes sense to lynch Sent first. Either Vivax is lying about his check, Sent is town, or there 17% chance that he rolled godfather. In each scenario, it makes more sense to lynch someone else first. Between Vivax and prpl, I think Vivax is more likely to flip mafia. ##Vote Vivax Is Vivax good enough at scum to have played the way he did? | ||
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That analysis realy strikes a chord with me and tbh I'm pretty sure you removed all doubt from mind as to your alignment. Either that or you're experienced scum? I don't know your history on the forum so I don't really know that. Whatever if you are scum then gg. I realized just now I'm going to have to vote before the end of the day because I won't be around at deadline and my trouble is based on posting alone it doesn't seem to make sense that Vivax is scum. I know it's probably the more correct move to hit Vivax before Sent but lynching based on blue role stuff hasn't done us great thus far this game. I know what I did, and I RBed Sent last night, there was no NK. His posting has been worse than godawful for most of the game. I'm going to take a gamble here. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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The thing is we probably had to off Sent no matter what like Kita just said, he was too scummy to let live at any point. At the very least right now we have some town confirmations (unless scum withheld shots). | ||
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On June 16 2013 07:43 layabout wrote: If i die remember to kill sent, prplhz and stutters Oh that's who we should kill? k. | ||
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Ok claims guys, in the order we determined. VT this time. | ||
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I'm unsure as to whether we should continue to wait and figure out why we're missing them, or whether people should just claim outright. Where the fuck is everyone? | ||
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On June 16 2013 13:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah... Well, in an attempt to get discussion moving again, I guess I'll just come out and say it. I've thought it through and I don't see any information that I could give away now that scum don't already know. I was the Veteran last night, and I got hit. The role's been removed. I haven't really sat down and tried to think it through. Are we thinking scum RB or town RB to start? | ||
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More comfortable voting him over Vivax. I've found it often to be true that when there are two vote wagons that are very close in vote numbers, they are often both town or both scum. (More often both town). I would not be surprised if Sent and Vivax were both town for this reason. Also I fully take credit for being the first one to point out prplhz's Rayn flipflop. | ||
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I'd do less railing against your attackers and more predeaths reads. What are your thoughts on the final two being people town is least likely to suspect? Ie me, kita, fuba We were burned pretty hard in a recent mini and we didn't consider EVERY option then. | ||
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On June 18 2013 07:29 prplhz wrote: @wos i don't think that you or fuba are scum because you pushed rayn on d1. i have nothing on kita either, biggest point was his case on ace. while he ended up going against it i think that was completely reasonable and i don't think he'd write a huge case on ace as the very first thing in the game if ace was his scum buddy. i also don't think that lay is scum because he's pretty out there with crazy ass opinions. look at him actually voting for fuba on d3 wtf i don't think scum could do that with a straight face. i'm more suspicious of jay/vivax. stutters and vayne are second tier. If its that easy then we can basically just systematically lynch as we've done so far and eventually win. Problem is that hasn't been going very well so far, especially if you flip green. Again, the only reason Ace pulled the move he did is if there was some plan in motion; nothing else makes sense to me. If its simple enough as to be Vivax then another guy you've named then Ace's play was essentially just for the original trade. | ||
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I've been on board too many mislynches lately as people plead for their lives to not want to. Can we garner enough interest? | ||
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I think in future we need to try to lynch people who can town-confirm due to night blue role usage one way or the other, like how lynching sent basically confirms kita as town (unless scum were assholes and withheld a shot this late into a game). Honestly I feel like if scum are playing for the long term like that we're eventually fuccked because no one considers it as it's unlikely. Everyone assumes 'well scum wouldn't do that, it's dumb,' but would Ace try to set up a contingency plan like that? | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote: if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. How was he trying to change his lynch exactly by 'buddying' you? I remember you bringing that up earlier and thought to myself that it was strange that you'd think of ti that way. You, my friend, have warranted a re-read. In fact I think I want to start actually putting some effort in now since my lategame play is notoriously bad. Kita, thoughts on the mislynch please? | ||
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I'm going to have a problem attempting to read into Vayne's meta. His play is way too erratic and as he has said (I can't remember if it was here or in the postgame from I Swear) he has only had one good game here on TL and it was Les Mafia where we were both scum. He played better than I did in that game and we both played well. His bluesniping was top-notch though if he's scum that skill has effectively been neutered in this game due to setup; could explain a slightly worse scumgame from him? As town his nonchalance fits basically every game he's played. His activity is sporadic. He makes a point of noting that he often catches scum based on 'gutreads' in the early game. He offers very little to no analysis throughout much of any game yet makes a point sometimes of talking about how his reads later in the game are better since he 'hates' D1. These are all basic notes of what I know about Vayne, scum or town, before actually diving in and reading this game and the rest of his meta looking for patterns. I will not be using this post a means to call him town or scum; rather they are simply starting points. | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote: At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town. You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched? I think scum do what they wanna do when they're on the chopping block. You should know this. | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: But we did not know he was scum at the time...you keep asking/answering these questions with the assumption rayn was scum. At the time we did not know. I thought only a town rayn would attempt to get help from a newer player for no reason but apparently I was wrong. If he was scum on the chopping block I would much more expect him to try to garner trust from a vet and have them get the mislynch off him. Or, ya know, scum WIFOM and shit, and it means nothing and you constantly look into it for what reason? A scum Rayn would try to garner trust from a vet, huh? I think in every game I've ever played every time I've ever made obvious attempts to 'buddy' people (as town, mind you) I get called out for it. Vivax I believe one of those times was you. If anything I think buddying up to a vet as scum is a horrible idea because it is likely to make said vet take a long hard look at you. (PS I don't have much regard for the vet/newbie split anymore for the record, I need to stop using the terms.) | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:43 VayneAuthority wrote: so why do I not get to keep up looking into but people get to bring up the fact that I wasn't on the rayn bandwagon? double standard much? You guys are gonna have to do better then double standards and inconsistencies to pin anything on me. How is what I typed a double standard? Of course you're allowed to look into whatever you want, but I just find it interesting that this is one point you have consistently brought up as a defense for yourself, one that I personally see as having very little merit. I have to look into it a little bit more. I didn't even bring up the fact that you weren't on the Rayn bandwagon. | ||
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This is a stupid question, but why are you so concerned? | ||
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On June 18 2013 09:14 VayneAuthority wrote: I haven't been mislynched yet, and I plan to keep it that way. Yes but there's a difference in how we play when we're about to get mislynched. (Which, as you've said, does not happen in the end.) Your play is very self-centered and you're always out for survival, even when it's not arguably necessary (see your cop claim in I Swear). When I was about to get mislynched as GravityMan I didn't spout defense after defense, because you can still win a game even after being mislynched if you provide something that helps the town kill scum after you're gone. Your primary concern should be to lynch scum, not your own survival. End of story. I am aware that is not indicative of you being scum or town because that's just the way you play, but it's part of the reason why people haven't found you particularly useful in many of the games we have played together. Eventually I imagine if you keep up your behaviour the way it has been you'd be the type of person to get policy lynched as people will realize it's not worth keeping you alive until later on. (Although a counterpoint to this is kushmasta's baffling lategame survival rate despite his play every game.) | ||
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On June 18 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote: it was actually pretty necessary considering I had work all day that day and wouldn't be able to properly defend myself before the deadline. Would have lost a blue for no reason, but I digress this is pretty off-topic. As I've said multiple times to anyone that takes that route when approaching me - If you don't like my play, so be it, but don't try to make it alignment indicative. Your primary concern should be to lynch scum, not your own survival. End of story. I am aware that is not indicative of you being scum or town because that's just the way you play, but it's part of the reason why people haven't found you particularly useful in many of the games we have played together. I believe I've asked you this before, Vayne in other games. What do you plan on doing to help town win this game besides defending yourself? Why should you not be considered a policy lynch in future games? | ||
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On June 18 2013 09:54 VayneAuthority wrote: If people didn't think I was scummy every game I would be able to do other things besides defend myself how about that? When people get better at scumhunting maybe I will find time to write about other stuff. This doesn't pertain to this game at all so it is pretty off topic. If people want to policy lynch me, go ahead! won't make me or you any better at this game. Of course it pertains to this game. You blame other people for your own scumhunting shortcomings ingame; you did so in I Swear. You shouldn't be giving a shit about what other people think of you; hell you've even said you don't give a shit what other people think about you but your play always ALWAYS belies that you actually do care. If you truly didn't care you'd let people say what they want and you'd go out and prove yourself through your actions. Which you never do, hence having to resort to things like shitty cop claims. This discussion is helping me a great deal with my meta analysis btw, so thanks. | ||
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On June 06 2013 10:32 VayneAuthority wrote: Oh I see so we will actually have to waste a lynch on me at some point. That's unfortunate. Bad luck but it happens. He picked me and JJD to protect him from dying, not really the best defense but w/e I guess that's just WIFOM Can you explain this, please? Where is JJD even mentioned in Rayn's filter? How exactly does Rayn giving you a townread protect him from dying? I still really don't see it. Giving someone a townread is probably one of the worst ways I can think of to try and protect yourself from a mislynch. You think if Rayn gave me a townread I'd just fold and say "Oh well, Rayn thinks I'm town, and he's right, therefore he must not be scum?" I really don't follow your thought process here at all. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Read rayne's filter and it will become apparent Even JJD was confused. It's not apparent at all. On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. Like....wtf IS this. I truly don't understand how your mind works, Vayne. I've been trying to read Les Mafia from the town perspective and, like I've stated before, you try harder and look townier in that game than any other game you've played in thus far. Why on god's green earth would you think a Rayn red flip where he names you town makes you confirmed town? Your play in general is a clear indication for you being town this game (and it certainly should have been clear in I Swear but then you do things like YOLOshoot a town Oats) but I worry because I know you've become aware of your meta on this site. It's stuff like this that is going to force you to become a policy lynch in games that people (or at least I) play with you. Still reading. | ||
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Anyway, On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote: I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too. You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion. ##vote:Vivax Can you explain how the game is solved now if Vivax flips town? There's a bunch of other questions I have for you in my past few posts, of course it's up to you as to whether or not you want to answer them. | ||
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On June 18 2013 10:22 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't even know where I got the JJD thing from, I might have mixed up games there or something because he clearly says nothing about JJD. You know after les mis that if rayn was red I would be all over that bandwagon from bussing 101. The fact that I was wary of lynching him and so incorrect should be a huge towntell, but it isn't when I have to directly say it so many times so pretty null. This is actually a pretty good point. The weird slips on JJD wig me out though. Not scumslips but you go so far as to use him in a defense of yours TWICE. Clearly you used this without looking back and the game before you defended yourself as such. You must understand why this is a point of concern for me, ESPECIALLY if I don't take the other part of the defense (Rayn calling you town) as legitimate. | ||
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On June 18 2013 07:41 mkfuba07 wrote: There are too many people left in this game for me... I can't get my mind straight. I've been reduced to little more than null on too many people after the sent mislynch. I'd been down to sent, vivax, prplhz, and a bit stutters, but was so sure of sent. Now it's like I'm just shooting blindly into a crowd. I don't feel like scum vivax would give a town read to sentinel when he was such an easy mislynch. I also feel like prplhz seems really sincere in his recent posting, but I'm often really swayed by these last minute appeals, so I usually keep myself from posting all that much. I don't know... I feel like we're walking into another mislynch, but I don't know who we should lynch instead. I'd feel better with a Vayne lynch, probably, but that might just be because he's been bothering me all game. I've flip-flopped all over him, and can't come up with a town read unless I interpret his typical nonchalance as a town tell (which I have been until now). I don't like how much faith he seems to be willing to put into the night actions, when I personally feel like it's very difficult to trust anything about them. His willingness to lynch vivax just to get information from night actions, when night actions could have easily been manipulated by scum in some way, is something that I don't really expect from town. Then there's how positive he was of sent being town, when most people were either null/unsure. I really don't like any of it. Is anyone else up for a vayne lynch? I doubt we have enough time/people to switch it, but this lynch feels wrong... ##Vote: VayneAuthority Random thought reading through Vayne. I absolutely HATE this post by you, Fuba. It's so apologetic and the fact that you'd post it right before a mislynch on Prp just screams scum. Vayne. Thoughts? | ||
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On June 18 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea I don't even know what to say about the JJD thing. I have a photographic memory and could picture the post in my head and everything so I didn't even feel like I needed to look. the fact that the post doesn't exist is very concerning, for reasons both inside and outside of this game Sorry I kinda loled. Anyway, If vivax is town... = you are town, I am town, kita is town now that we know that sentinel is town. You don't think thats pretty amazing to have? Can you explain this in more detail? I don't really follow. | ||
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I know I'm like...ALWAYS wrong with my conspiracy theory stuff, but I'm almost certain now scum has withheld a shot at some point. If it was the shot on N3 then it means both Fuba and Kita are likely scum, and would fit with the idea that Ace sacced himself because he had a capable scumteam and the 'confirmed town' status that Ace gave to fuba before he decided to essentially off himself. It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that this is one of those games where the scumteam is blending incredibly well, tryharding like a boss (increasingly common in games I've been in lately), and letting bad townies be bad. In this case 2 scum among Vivax/kita/fuba. | ||
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On June 18 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: Like how has vivax escaped lynch for so long, it's mind blowing. Like I said, whoever the last 2 scum are have incredible influence as they have not only gotten us to mislynch 2 days in a row, but 2 very stupid mislynches that give us shitty information You say this, and then refuse to think about a no-kill or self target with abilities? This may be what we are in fact dealing with, my friend. The only way scum are this influential are if they are within the group that I mentioned earlier. To be fair, I was one of the first few people to switch off Vivax after being on him during the Sent lynch day. I just find it very hard to believe he is playing a scum-motivated game, but I guess when you have a town like this you don't exactly need to? Vayne if you are truly town I ask that you step and provide some concrete analysis here, because I can't do it on my own against a 'vet' scumteam. | ||
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On June 18 2013 11:42 mkfuba07 wrote: And ugh... I absolutely love to fucking repeat myself, but ace had NOTHING to do with my "confirmed town" status. Him saying it doesn't mean that it wasn't true. I really don't see how this is in ANY WAY difficult to understand, because it's really, really simple. Townie does something. EVERYONE knows it likely makes him confirmed town. Scum points it out verbally in the thread. THIS HAS NO EFFECT ON THE ORIGINAL ACTION. So ignore that then. Ignore anything I've mentioned where it says 'such and such fits.' Does my thinking have any merit? | ||
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On June 18 2013 12:45 mkfuba07 wrote: Just to make sure, are you asking about whether or not I think someone highly considered to be town is actually scum? Or are you asking if I think scum withheld kp for a night? I'll respond to it in a post before the daypost, but I want to be sure to answer the right question. Personally I feel if one is true then both are likely to be. Answer whichever you feel. | ||
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Some real gems in there. Ace: also people keep shooting kita Night 1 which kinda sux. Let him have some fun :D Jay: "Let him have some fun :D" Famous Last Words lol FUCK if I used my RB on you like I was going to N1 Jay it would have been such a clusterfuck | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:40 kitaman27 wrote: Thanks for hosting dandel and Artanis! The d2 scum cop check was interesting, but I think the mafia team would have been better off not claiming it all all. I also think that the roleblocker was pretty town favored and I don't really understand why they wanted to keep it around. Oats did a really good job on d2 trying to prove his innocence despite the cop check. The Sent lynch was really bad, but I guess it goes to show how dangerous going afk can be even with a green check. I still probably would have ended up lynching prpl, but Vivax obviously should have been lynched first. The fact that prpl was defending Vivax really bothered me, but there was no reason to let Vivax live another day. Vivax and Jay did well to look town for most of the game, but the night actions probably lost them the game by shooting into the medic protect and medic protect/vet. Fuba/Wos probably should have been shot the night that the mafia had control of the medic to make things a lot easier. I honestly wonder how badly we would have lost that game if scum didn't lose their power role D1. | ||
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). I haven't seen anything that would pick out Ace as scummier than anyone else in the game, so I'm not voting for him today.
