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A McGann
81 Posts
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TomB4
61 Posts
Would you be willing to bet your life in this game on DrT being scum, McCoy? Given your current language, I'd be willing to simply kill you if he flips town. | ||
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
On May 31 2013 06:04 TomB4 wrote: why are you saying that DrT is the only viable lynch for today? There are a full 29 hours left in the day. This foregone conclusion seems to have come almost immediately. In fact, your confidence doesn't even seem sincere to me. Would you be willing to bet your life in this game on DrT being scum, McCoy? Given your current language, I'd be willing to simply kill you if he flips town. Maybe you should find something better than your policy lynch, that might actually convince someone. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On May 31 2013 06:04 TomB4 wrote: Would you be willing to bet your life in this game on DrT being scum, McCoy? Given your current language, I'd be willing to simply kill you if he flips town. Explain this. I don't see the connection. McCoy's reads are based on solid logic that's easy to follow and hard to fake. Even if he is wrong, which I don't think he is, I still would consider him town. | ||
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Eccleston
75 Posts
On May 31 2013 05:55 SMcCoy wrote: @ Eccleston I need to know who you want to lynch, will you join the DrT wagon? Is there any specific conclusion you draw from your musings about PT2's motivations to write that post? Yes, I agree with the case on DrT and I am on board with lynching him. ##Vote: DrTennant I have my doubts about Hurndall too. I think there's a good chance of him flipping scum. I think the conclusion you can draw from it is that his play is anti-town (which was already pretty apparent). Looking back, my second post on PT2 was pretty useless. I just started thinking about what his motivations might be and wrote the post, thinking I was onto something. I just overanalyzed it, and my first post on him was more sound than the second one. I will post more in the morning. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
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DrTennant
31 Posts
On May 31 2013 06:09 SMcCoy wrote: Maybe you should find something better than your policy lynch, that might actually convince someone. its not a policy lynch. How can someone come into thread and not at least acknowledge my presence. What townie would read the thread and not feel a desire to at least comment on me? | ||
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
On May 31 2013 07:31 Eccleston wrote: Yes, I agree with the case on DrT and I am on board with lynching him. ##Vote: DrTennant I have my doubts about Hurndall too. I think there's a good chance of him flipping scum. I think the conclusion you can draw from it is that his play is anti-town (which was already pretty apparent). Looking back, my second post on PT2 was pretty useless. I just started thinking about what his motivations might be and wrote the post, thinking I was onto something. I just overanalyzed it, and my first post on him was more sound than the second one. I will post more in the morning. Hurndall is somewhat chaotic and possibly bad but his weird change of mind on Trout looks townie, I don't see any reason for scum to pull that off. When you jump on a wagon on someone who is possibly a mislynch you won't back from it for no reason, and if Trout is scum and Hurn an early busser then that way of detaching himself from Trout caught a lot of attention. I would rather expect scum to move away from the bus by pushing another lynch, not like that. | ||
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TomB4
61 Posts
On May 31 2013 06:29 Baker1986 wrote: Explain this. I don't see the connection. McCoy's reads are based on solid logic that's easy to follow and hard to fake. Even if he is wrong, which I don't think he is, I still would consider him town. It's not solid logic, and it's actually super easy to fake. Based on McCoy's first post I didn't consider him strong town. What's troubling is his attitude regarding the lynch. We have so much time, there is no reason to pigeonhole our options so quickly. I could easily be wrong-my first impression is that they are both town. I mostly just asked that question to gauge his sincerity regarding the strength of his read. On May 31 2013 06:09 SMcCoy wrote: Maybe you should find something better than your policy lynch, that might actually convince someone. What policy am I lynching him on? Lynch all trolls? Lol. I don't even know why you are trying to lynch DrT-at least my reasons are clear. Your reasons and confidence don't make any sense. | ||
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MSmith1
59 Posts
@TB4 See the following 6 points of mine (broken up over two posts) in which I explained as clearly as I could why I think DrT is scum. Please point out specifically which you disagree with and which you don't understand. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 1) This quote from DrT, addressed towards smcc, doesn't seem genuine. Let's say that as a townie you read someone's post and get the feeling that they might be scum. You would probably ask questions trying to get in your suspect's head and understand why they posted what they posted, right? On the contrary, DrT just pulled out a "uscumbro?" which isn't a real question and shows hostility without doing anything productive. 2) In this post, DrT justifyied his own play and explained in some detail why what he posted isn't scummy. But nobody asked him to do this. Nobody was even calling him scum at the time. So in this post DrT betrays a defensive mindset. 3) And finally, smcc had a problem with the way that DrT attacked smcc's first post for being ambivalent and inconclusive, but chose to pass over Eccleston's equally ambivalent and inconclusive post about my alignment. This is slightly inconsistent. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2013 12:55 MSmith1 wrote: On the subject of DrT, I don't like his response to the smcc case. + Show Spoiler [DrT] + On May 30 2013 10:08 DrTennant wrote: Smocoy i don't really care that you think im scum the only part that concerns me is the last part of your post where you say that your unlikely to change. Now i think with your effort and you confidence that your most likely to be town. Misguided town but town nonetheless. And that all the information that i care about from your case. Now it seems like you have gone into tunnel mode with that last part of your post and i think thats insanely stupid one because im not scum and two a ton of people haven't posted. For what its worth yes i do actually think town are more likely to thrown town reads out there. Scum are more worried about keeping a "story" straight so they are more reluctant to give out reads then be called out later if they flip flop. Mafia have an information advantage and usually are reluctant to give it out. You seem to think that your post communicated a lot more than it did. I took as wishy washy and filler post and that is scummy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That said i dont really mind the spotlight i i thrive in it. And most importantly it helps to make reads. With a ton of people not posting i think there is a definite possibility of 1 or even 2 scum being completely inactive. Of the "active" posters the ones that concern me the most are eccleston and baker. Eccelston despite being active early seems to have just decided to fuck off while i been in the spotlight despite his hig activity early. He hasn't given an opinion on anything that has happened despite showing he was active early on. Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. 1) I'm not sure I buy this whole "I thrive in the spotlight" attitude. smcc wrote a case and generated some votes. DrT's reaction seems to be "Excellent. I make better reads in the spotlight. And the most important thing to take away from this case is that smcc is town". He's trying to act as though he doesn't mind having three votes on him which I don't think is a genuine response. Seriously, what kind of townie doesn't mind being called scum? 2) I was also intrigued by the fact that DrT twice brought up the fact that a handful of people haven't posted, and he suggested that there could be one or two mafia in that group. The only motivation for this is to shift the spotlight off of himself and try to get it on the lurkers, which I think is scummy. 3) Speaking of easy targets, I think his criticisms of Eccleston and Baker are very 'easy' criticisms to make, but don't show very insightful analysis. On May 30 2013 23:33 TomB4 wrote: In fact, there are plenty of things he has said that I think make him look quite townish, but I'll let him defend himself. Let's hear these reasons to think DrT is town. DrT could very well be dead in 24 hours so there is no reason to keep quiet any longer. You think he is town. Convince me. | ||
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Hurndall3
237 Posts
##vote DrT k I think I can sheep this DrT shit now that I read the case thoroughly. these are the points that convinced me to sheep. 1 DrT's overdefense 2 unnatural calmness 3 repeated appeal that scum is among the inactives 4 one dimensional scumreads | ||
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TomB4
61 Posts
On May 31 2013 10:33 MSmith1 wrote: Catching up. I'm still feeling best about lynching DrT. @TB4 See the following 6 points of mine (broken up over two posts) in which I explained as clearly as I could why I think DrT is scum. Please point out specifically which you disagree with and which you don't understand. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 1) This quote from DrT, addressed towards smcc, doesn't seem genuine. Let's say that as a townie you read someone's post and get the feeling that they might be scum. You would probably ask questions trying to get in your suspect's head and understand why they posted what they posted, right? On the contrary, DrT just pulled out a "uscumbro?" which isn't a real question and shows hostility without doing anything productive. 2) In this post, DrT justifyied his own play and explained in some detail why what he posted isn't scummy. But nobody asked him to do this. Nobody was even calling him scum at the time. So in this post DrT betrays a defensive mindset. 3) And finally, smcc had a problem with the way that DrT attacked smcc's first post for being ambivalent and inconclusive, but chose to pass over Eccleston's equally ambivalent and inconclusive post about my alignment. This is slightly inconsistent. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2013 12:55 MSmith1 wrote: On the subject of DrT, I don't like his response to the smcc case. + Show Spoiler [DrT] + On May 30 2013 10:08 DrTennant wrote: Smocoy i don't really care that you think im scum the only part that concerns me is the last part of your post where you say that your unlikely to change. Now i think with your effort and you confidence that your most likely to be town. Misguided town but town nonetheless. And that all the information that i care about from your case. Now it seems like you have gone into tunnel mode with that last part of your post and i think thats insanely stupid one because im not scum and two a ton of people haven't posted. For what its worth yes i do actually think town are more likely to thrown town reads out there. Scum are more worried about keeping a "story" straight so they are more reluctant to give out reads then be called out later if they flip flop. Mafia have an information advantage and usually are reluctant to give it out. You seem to think that your post communicated a lot more than it did. I took as wishy washy and filler post and that is scummy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That said i dont really mind the spotlight i i thrive in it. And most importantly it helps to make reads. With a ton of people not posting i think there is a definite possibility of 1 or even 2 scum being completely inactive. Of the "active" posters the ones that concern me the most are eccleston and baker. Eccelston despite being active early seems to have just decided to fuck off while i been in the spotlight despite his hig activity early. He hasn't given an opinion on anything that has happened despite showing he was active early on. Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. 1) I'm not sure I buy this whole "I thrive in the spotlight" attitude. smcc wrote a case and generated some votes. DrT's reaction seems to be "Excellent. I make better reads in the spotlight. And the most important thing to take away from this case is that smcc is town". He's trying to act as though he doesn't mind having three votes on him which I don't think is a genuine response. Seriously, what kind of townie doesn't mind being called scum? 2) I was also intrigued by the fact that DrT twice brought up the fact that a handful of people haven't posted, and he suggested that there could be one or two mafia in that group. The only motivation for this is to shift the spotlight off of himself and try to get it on the lurkers, which I think is scummy. 3) Speaking of easy targets, I think his criticisms of Eccleston and Baker are very 'easy' criticisms to make, but don't show very insightful analysis. Let's hear these reasons to think DrT is town. DrT could very well be dead in 24 hours so there is no reason to keep quiet any longer. You think he is town. Convince me. Saying "you scum?" is not a tell. This whole "it doesn't seem genuine" business is so unbelievably stupid, because you people are seeing things where there is nothing to see. Townies say things like that all the time. If you've ever watched Palmar play, he asks people rhetorical questions all the time, just to see how they would react to being called out. Without knowing how DrT likes to play this statement is worthless. On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 2) In this post, DrT justifyied his own play and explained in some detail why what he posted isn't scummy. But nobody asked him to do this. Nobody was even calling him scum at the time. So in this post DrT betrays a defensive mindset. Oh please. Are you incapable of understanding context? DrT calls him scummy for doing something that is not scummy. If you actually read the exchange you'd see that, while McCoy is probably more articulate than DrT, his response to DrT makes no sense. He bolded the rhetorical question and pushed the suspicion off himself onto DrT. DrT rightfully rebutted with the correct assessment that it's far more likely for townies to change their minds on a whim than scum, because scum are aware of the problems of changing their opinion, and are very wary of doing so because of the attention it draws. How many scum do you know are willing to openly admit they made a mistake and backtrack on something they said earlier? Generally when scum change opinions they purposely try to hide it-that's why finding contradictions is so useful. Something like that is not a contradiction nor a scum tell if the thought process is open and transparent or if the change in opinion is blatant and attention-grabbing. On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 3) And finally, smcc had a problem with the way that DrT attacked smcc's first post for being ambivalent and inconclusive, but chose to pass over Eccleston's equally ambivalent and inconclusive post about my alignment. This is slightly inconsistent. On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 1) I'm not sure I buy this whole "I thrive in the spotlight" attitude. smcc wrote a case and generated some votes. DrT's reaction seems to be "Excellent. I make better reads in the spotlight. And the most important thing to take away from this case is that smcc is town". He's trying to act as though he doesn't mind having three votes on him which I don't think is a genuine response. Seriously, what kind of townie doesn't mind being called scum? Let me show you why your line of thinking makes no sense: What kind of scum doesn't mind being called scum? i.e. this observation is useless. On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 2) I was also intrigued by the fact that DrT twice brought up the fact that a handful of people haven't posted, and he suggested that there could be one or two mafia in that group. The only motivation for this is to shift the spotlight off of himself and try to get it on the lurkers, which I think is scummy. Or he is town and he's legitimately trying to get attention onto people who aren't him, because everyone is ignoring the lurkers who very well could be scum. What interest do scum have in being active if town is going to lynch one of their own by themselves? Do you ever consider the other perspective, or are you so sure of yourself that the only possibility for such behaviour is the behaviour you have already concluded fits DrT being scum? On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 3) Speaking of easy targets, I think his criticisms of Eccleston and Baker are very 'easy' criticisms to make, but don't show very insightful analysis. Says one of the people on the biggest bandwagon currently in the game. This case is trash and most of you are too tunneled to be able to see it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
SMcCoy (0): TheDavison (0): DrTennant (7): SMcCoy, Baker1986, MSmith1, HartnellWil, A McGann, Eccleston, Hurndall3 Hurndall3 (2): PTroughton2, TheDavison PTroughton2 (3): TomB4, JPertwee, DrTennant, DrTennant is set to be lynched. Votes without ## will not be counted | ||
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TomB4
61 Posts
Oh please. Are you incapable of understanding context? McCoy calls him scummy for doing something that is not scummy. If you actually read the exchange you'd see that, while McCoy is probably more articulate than DrT, his response to DrT makes no sense. He bolded the rhetorical question and pushed the suspicion off himself onto DrT. DrT rightfully rebutted with the correct assessment that it's far more likely for townies to change their minds on a whim than scum, because scum are aware of the problems of changing their opinion, and are very wary of doing so because of the attention it draws. How many scum do you know are willing to openly admit they made a mistake and backtrack on something they said earlier? Generally when scum change opinions they purposely try to hide it-that's why finding contradictions is so useful. Something like that is not a contradiction nor a scum tell if the thought process is open and transparent or if the change in opinion is blatant and attention-grabbing. also I failed to respond to this somehow: On May 30 2013 13:24 MSmith1 wrote: 3) And finally, smcc had a problem with the way that DrT attacked smcc's first post for being ambivalent and inconclusive, but chose to pass over Eccleston's equally ambivalent and inconclusive post about my alignment. This is slightly inconsistent. "slightly inconsistent", maybe, but you are predisposed to notice things about you that other players are not going to necessarily notice, by virtue of them not sharing your identity. It's very plausible, in fact incredibly likely, that a townie would not notice everything that fits a certain mindset that they have posted against. | ||
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Hurndall3
237 Posts
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TomB4
61 Posts
Troughton is still a better lynch than DrT and he still has enough votes to be a viable candidate. He's not responded at all to any of the votes he's received. In fact, he's still done nothing at all since his first two posts. | ||
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A McGann
81 Posts
On May 31 2013 12:47 TomB4 wrote: I can name at least two people who would make better lynches (whom I haven't already), but it's pretty pointless given that it looks to be a fruitless endeavour right now. It's better for me to sit on those reads and see how they develop without interference. Troughton is still a better lynch than DrT and he still has enough votes to be a viable candidate. He's not responded at all to any of the votes he's received. In fact, he's still done nothing at all since his first two posts. Seriously, do not do this. If you think you have seen something that can give us a more informed lynch right now, then bring it to the table so we can discuss it. Playing coy with your reads does nothing to help anyone. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On May 31 2013 12:47 TomB4 wrote: I can name at least two people who would make better lynches (whom I haven't already), but it's pretty pointless given that it looks to be a fruitless endeavour right now. It's better for me to sit on those reads and see how they develop without interference. Troughton is still a better lynch than DrT and he still has enough votes to be a viable candidate. He's not responded at all to any of the votes he's received. In fact, he's still done nothing at all since his first two posts. Please, bring these suspicions out. By now we're in late day 1 so everyone has had time to contribute as much as they wish. I'd also be very interested in hearing your town-reads, in fact you are probably the person in the game I want to hear the most from. Tell me everything about yourself! | ||
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Baker1986
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Eccleston
75 Posts
On May 31 2013 11:20 Hurndall3 wrote: ##unvote ##vote DrT k I think I can sheep this DrT shit now that I read the case thoroughly. these are the points that convinced me to sheep. 1 DrT's overdefense 2 unnatural calmness 3 repeated appeal that scum is among the inactives 4 one dimensional scumreads Can you explain to me why you think that these points are exclusive to a scum mindset? For example, point three could be explained from a town perspective too; if DrT is a townie being tunneled, trying to shift the attention toward the lurkers is a perfectly valid thing to do if he thinks that the mafia are lurking. Before, you dismissed his "overdefense", as brought up by MSmith1 here (it's point two in his post), saying that "2 people are searching for something to talk about early game. This is true of both town and scum." What made you change your mind? | ||
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