EPTBeing present but not caring about scumhunting is actually much worse than simply not being present at all, because there is standing evidence that a player has at least taken the time to read and post, but still is not contributing. That's far from "null" in my opinion.
At the time of his post the thread was about three and a half pages long. It doesn't really take much effort to read that and then write a five paragraph RP post and throw a vote on someone. He could just as well be disinterested townie. I could understand it if you were pushing him as a policy lynch because you're not certain about DrT, but how he is "far from null" is beyond me. He has made one (half serious) post in the entire game. Has he been useless? Yes. Does that make him scum? No. Smurf Mini Mafia - Page 8
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Eccleston
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Baker1986
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On May 31 2013 02:32 TomB4 wrote: At best, you can argue that what Troughton has said is null, but even that is stretching. In a game like this, all of the town should be acutely aware of the fact that each player's presence is vital in attaining opinions and organising a good scumhunting effort. Being present but not caring about scumhunting is actually much worse than simply not being present at all, because there is standing evidence that a player has at least taken the time to read and post, but still is not contributing. That's far from "null" in my opinion. There is a big distinction between what players should do and what they do. I don't expect this game to be different at all. Yes, ideally everyone was contributing valuable input to the discussion, but you know what? That's not what actually happens most of the time. | ||
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Baker1986
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On May 31 2013 02:21 SMcCoy wrote: Baker (and everyone else for that matter), I saw you posting that you would resort to policy lynch the trout for roleplaying, but you also mentioned the two afk dudes being a threat. Do you think it would be wiser to policy lynch one of them rather than trout or do you prefer to lynch trout? This case on trout started by being a policy lynch to people adding reasons as to why he's scum, it won't convince me this quickly. I haven't given it much thought which policy lynch I'd prefer. If I had to make a gut call right now without any sort of additional reading or thinking, I'd go with the lurker dude, simply because I think half the players on the PT wagon are scum. | ||
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Eccleston
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1. DrT is mafia and PT2 doesn't want to add any more pressure on him. 2. DrT is town and PT2 doesn't want to be held accountable if he is to be lynched. I can't see any pro-town motivation behind his post though... Maybe he doesn't find DrT scummy, but can't be bothered to voice his opinion? Because it's hard to believe that he really is that convinced on Hurndall... The guy had posted about 300 words at that time. | ||
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TheDavison
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I'm the one with a minor case on H3 who didn't comment on DrT at that time. | ||
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Eccleston
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TheDavison
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TomB4
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On May 31 2013 03:26 Baker1986 wrote: There is a big distinction between what players should do and what they do. I don't expect this game to be different at all. Yes, ideally everyone was contributing valuable input to the discussion, but you know what? That's not what actually happens most of the time. So? Are you saying that we should simply ignore people who are willingly not contributing? What a wonderful world we'd live in if we could just win games by letting the scum stand around and troll us all day and not actually lynch them for it. | ||
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Baker1986
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On May 31 2013 03:51 TomB4 wrote: So? Are you saying that we should simply ignore people who are willingly not contributing? What a wonderful world we'd live in if we could just win games by letting the scum stand around and troll us all day and not actually lynch them for it. I'm saying we hardly have a choice. Some people play mafia like assholes. That doesn't mean they are scum. I would love to kill PT for being bad, but my job here is not to punish people who play badly, but to lynch scum. I don't think he has the highest chance of flipping scum of the players in the game. | ||
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HartnellWill
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Hurndall3
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"some people play mafia like assholes" from where im sitting you are the one playing like an asshole. all about perspective. @tom lol u such a hardass i hope you aren't vig @person who asked about me to expand on a point about some guy who's not getting lynched "too scummy to be scum" I said. He is displaying certain scum traits with such a high frequency that I think he might not be scum. Scum try to hide their scumminess. | ||
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Hurndall3
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it kind of looks like he was trying to rp and got bored. ##unvote I haven't made my mind up on an alternative yet. @Baker it seems pretty weird that you are so UBER active yet you don't have a scumread you are pushing?? | ||
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HartnellWill
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And while I'm reading PT2's case right now, it wouldn't be a surprise to see both of them role scum. DrT votes him without saying another word. Sheeping the wagon that isn't him because it isn't him that will get killed if it goes through. | ||
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Eccleston
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Hurndall3
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because i join and leave bandwagons easily? | ||
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Eccleston
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Eccleston
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Hurndall3
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SMcCoy
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All DrT cares about is to counterattack the guy voting for him. But what's worse is his followup with trout. Some posts are snipped to better illustrate his flow of comments on his suspects. On May 30 2013 10:08 DrTennant wrote: Of the "active" posters the ones that concern me the most are eccleston and baker. Eccelston despite being active early seems to have just decided to fuck off while i been in the spotlight despite his hig activity early. He hasn't given an opinion on anything that has happened despite showing he was active early on. Baker it appears from my perspective has just decided to sheep who i think is the towniest guy in mccoy and who might have the largest thread control. Baker never gave reasoning he just called mccoy smart and it looks like he is just trying to latch on to an early wagon. On May 30 2013 11:12 DrTennant wrote: i dont know what baker does maybe baker can enlighten us. all i see from you is just calling the person who i think must be town and sheeping his incorrect case. That is what i see and that is scummy because it seems like your just jumping on me with no reasoning to get a mis lynch. On May 30 2013 12:11 DrTennant wrote:[/B On May 30 2013 11:41 A McGann wrote: That really doesn't answer the question, DrTennant. You said you found Bakers behaviour scummy. You need to explain why the actions you painted him as 'concerning' for are more likely to be scum motivated. If you can think of legitimate reasons why a townie would act in this manner, then your case has no merit. because it looks like to me hes just hoping on without reasoning. like he had very little interaction with me a big case comes and he just hops on. scum have a hard time explaining their actions so it seems like a good ploy to just sheep a townie with a wrong case hop on the wagon and probably just call me bad after i flip. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Followup: On May 30 2013 22:12 DrTennant wrote: PTroughton2 you seem to have not mentioned me all even though i am the major headline of this game why? On May 30 2013 23:48 DrTennant wrote: pt not talking about me at all is a big red flag in my eyes as well. I could kill him. I think you have a point that he may not be reading the thread. how can he not take a stance on me one way or the other after all that has been put out there. [B]On May 30 2013 23:51 DrTennant wrote: ya lets kill him ##Vote: PTroughton Eccleston and Baker seem forgotten now, no attempt to analyze them from DrT who should be supposed to be suspicious of the two, instead he makes a comeback by attaching onto the bandwagon against Trout started by H3, Tom and JPert. No analysis and no cases against anyone he voiced suspicion against. The only viable lynch today is DrT in my opinion. I will share my other suspects once this lynch is done. Lock target and stay focused fellas. | ||
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SMcCoy
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I need to know who you want to lynch, will you join the DrT wagon? Is there any specific conclusion you draw from your musings about PT2's motivations to write that post? | ||
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