Carnival Cruise Mafia

On May 03 2013 02:07 slOosh wrote:
lol, 1st scum game too

On May 03 2013 00:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well now I know what playing in a Caller game is like.
/in

On May 09 2013 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
BUDDY THIS SCUM

On May 13 2013 04:30 kitaman27 wrote:


Naw, self-aware millers claim and then we kill them to confirm they aren't lying!

I'm thinking there is at least one third party based on the wording of things.

With instant majority lynches, I think the best way to run things is only allow a hammer within the last four hours of the cycle. Town benefits from an extended day as long as we have enough people around at the end of the cycle to achieve a majority. There is nothing more annoying than to see a bunch of random bandwagon votes without the opportunity to comment about it.

Also, WoS scum.

On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.

I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.

Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.

They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.

On May 13 2013 05:35 Promethelax wrote:
WoS, that is dumb and you know it. Past statistics have nothing to do with this game. Why respond to that accusation which has no content or reasoning?

Kita: why WoS?

On May 13 2013 05:39 Promethelax wrote:
I've never seen you this be this confrontational before. Pretend like I'm actually curious about your reasoning since my goal is to read your alignment. All I want from you is an answer, why respond to an accusation that has no follow-up?

On May 13 2013 05:45 Vivax wrote:


Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller.

I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet.

On May 13 2013 06:02 DarthPunk wrote:


I would also like an answer on how the fuck you have a town read on everyone so far? because that sort of shit screams scum to me.

On May 13 2013 06:09 DarthPunk wrote:

Share your secret?

On May 13 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote:

Lol so you just walked into that one. You cherry picked the part of my post I added for you to cherry pick and didn't bother to refute the rest. Scum or 3P, guys. You heard it here first.

On May 13 2013 06:26 grush57 wrote:
Hello. I am unclear if the game started.

STARSENSES.

On May 13 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote:


oh WoS stop being so helpful you are drowning me in helpfulness

omg stop

plz

On May 13 2013 10:43 chaoser wrote:


I don't understand the question and how it pertains to the game currently but I'll try to answer anyway.
Townies should play unafraid and by putting pressure on people and open, I don't really care for the "trolling, get a reaction, way" but I'm sure I've done it a few times in the past before. I feel like I've always played the best when I was playing to figure stuff out and not be afraid of a lynch.

yes I use to play with RoL, how's he doing these days? is he still playing?

On May 13 2013 10:51 VayneAuthority wrote:


Most people see spam as anti-town so if you flip town after spamming a lot I could see how it could irritate people.

On May 13 2013 11:14 chaoser wrote:
what do you think is the correct way to play town, waveofshadow?

On May 13 2013 12:03 kitaman27 wrote:


GG no re.



Nope, the sentence is probably the least relevant part. I don't like the fact that he is defending his miller claim, which is a completely reasonable mafia n0 tactic, by arguing that it isn't a very good mafia decision. Of course its just n0 though, so I certainly haven't made up my mind one way or another on anyone until the relevant posting begins.

On May 13 2013 15:29 Vivax wrote:
Don't worry that was just me doing N0 stuff, I don't think it's a good idea to be a shining beacon of townieness at that stage so I was dicking around.

I also lied in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +

I actually think Raynboy is scummy and wasn't interested in lynching DP. One does not simply confront his scumreads during N0.

On May 13 2013 15:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why would you waste the time writing a really really useless post?
That was basically.

"I know why mafia shot DP and Kita and we should totally not talk at night"
Why?

'I felt like it' doesnt cut it.
Who is scummy WoS?

On May 13 2013 16:55 Promethelax wrote:


They are interesting to me.

I propose a deal. We treat each other as confirmed town today and bounce reads off each other. You ask me for a read on a player and I ask you for one on a different player. We have a history of tunneling each other and I'd like to see what we can get from working together. Though you might be scum and I'll tunnel you for it later. What do you say? One day of teamwork and we see what happens from there?

WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like.

On May 13 2013 23:40 Promethelax wrote:
also WoS, I know this might come as a shock but Ace gets away with acting like an asshole by also being 1. hilarious and 2. really damn good at the game. You need to knock it off with your petulance and play the game. If you want to be considered good you have to earn it.

I'm bored with your antics. Scum or town knock it off now.

On May 13 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

I find it newbie honestly.
Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue.
So yeah newbie.

On May 13 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wut

OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him'


WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that.

##vote WoS

On May 13 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

I find it newbie honestly.
Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue.
So yeah newbie.

On May 13 2013 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote:

I read it as a kind of post that a townie would make.

Not lynching him today.

He is being useless though

On May 13 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

buddying every single player huh.

On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:

I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.

On May 14 2013 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:


Yeah in a sort of clever way I think he is. I'm going to mention something I did in The Game as scum, and before WoS cries "omg thats ur meta not mine" what i'm trying to point out here is that this is a viable scum move, not that WoS in particular has a meta of doing it.

In The Game, I rolled scum. During Day 1, I make a scummy move by soft-defending Zarepath. My goal at the time was for him to get lynched, and for me to get town cred for defending him. I wanted to make it clear I was defending him but not actually derail the anti-Zarepath thread sentiment. I made this post to do that. Now, as I wrote the post I realized, "wow I'm pretty transparently scummy in this post, how do I fix that" and added a few lines to it:

So basically, by straight-up admitting to doing something scummy, I made it appear not scummy for me to do so. I incorporate the natural objection any scumhunter would make to my soft defense into the post itself, naturally defusing that tension. Anyone who wants to say "Whoa, what is BH doing here? Why was he soft-defending zarepath, that's quite unlike him!" has been pre-emptively shut down by the fact that I straight-up admit to doing so. I don't actually give a reason why I do it, I don't actually have a justification or a defense for it-- but by saying "yes, I made this move" nobody can say "ah-ha! you made this move!"

Taking a look at WoS's post we immediately see the same defusal of scummy behavior. And AGAIN, I'm not saying "oh this is BH's scum meta therefore WoS is scum", I'm just saying this is a classic scum move, I've used it, and I see it being used.



Imagine he hadn't written that first line for a moment. You can be sure I'd instantly Dunk WoS for writing a post like this, which only reiterates what's already been said (especially by me) and agrees with it. He would be so dunked. In fact, if he had only written his first sentence, but not his second one, it's still almost certain I'd dunk on him. But take a look at his second sentence! Look at the doubt it plants in your heart. It makes him seem open and townie for a moment because it's like "oh, he's blandly sheeping BH but he's not sure what to make of that!" He's stating awareness of that fact, and thereby defusing the arguments against him.

How much of my case against WoS seemed weak to you because of that second sentence? Now imagine you are WoS. OR rather, imagine you are in his position but are town instead of scum. You would DEFINITELY have an opinion on the fact that we are in agreement. If absolutely nothing else, if really nothing else at all, you'd try to interact with BH besides blandly sheeping him. You'd draw BH into a conversation and see if you agree on more things. You wouldn't ONLY rehash things BH has already said then be like "I guess we agree, not sure what to make of that"

As town you are curious. you want to hunt scum. Simply agreeing with the best player in the game isn't good enough. To those of you out there who agreed with me on my nk analysis-- you didn't just think "herp derp I agree with BH" did you? You wanted more information. You wanted to interact with my thoughts to get a better read on me. You had a townie instinct-- and instinct WoS doesn't have.

So, yes WoS was trying to blend in. He even wrote his post in a way that wouldn't spark more discussion with me. I'm just too sexy to be fooled by such things

/Dunked

On May 14 2013 01:45 slOosh wrote:
WoS, could I have your opinion on rayn?

On May 14 2013 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:
dat OMGUS

Which explanation is more believable for my post? Mine or yours?

On May 14 2013 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wos so dunker

On May 14 2013 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
you are pretty mad I caught u huh

should have shot me when u hat thebchjqce nublet

On May 14 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i was mostly focusing on DP defending himself (his claim) and i was about to get onto other people later. I havn't really read any filters and as said didn't focus on other people. What do you think of Oats and shirokami?

For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy.

On May 14 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, your filter page #1 mainly.

On May 13 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
WoS, me and Prom discussed a few reads together, what's up with your disinterest into hopping into our discussion? Didn't see anything worth your attention in our posts?

On May 14 2013 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz

On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:


Almost!

I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis.

Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture.

When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has.

This is how you hunt scum.

On March 17 2013 15:51 Wade Fell wrote:


please stop

you're so helpful

stop being so helpful

On May 14 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:


okay reasonable but look at what he posted! He's like "look at this, this is meta for BH being scum" and quoted a post I LITERALLY MAKE IN EVERY GAME.

I do see how a town player could make a mistake like this, maybe he's just cornered and defensive. But really, what this says to me is that he's scum, and he's more interested in painting me as scum and defending himself than he is in hunting scum. If he was really town and thought he was getting mislynched, he wouldn't auto-think I was scum , he would evaluate evidence and a quote like that, which I make both as scum and as town, is not evidence I am scum.

It's literally OMGUS. It's not an attempt to hunt scum, it's not an attempt to discern my alignment, it's an attempt to fling shit and try to cause collateral damage without giving up associative tells before he flips. I get that I'm a bit abrasive, but I'll tell you something else: I'm also right.

and I calls em like I sees em

/dunked

On May 14 2013 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:


10

it's basically impossible he's town

On May 14 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:


if you're not cornered or defensive how do you explain your lies about my meta?

On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS

On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.

On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:


I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.

On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:



pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted

On May 14 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
what association reads WoS? You aren't helping yourself by being vague. Point out where there are association reads and why they are wrong if you can, where I'm sitting you look really happy to attack a strawman.

On May 14 2013 18:17 Vivax wrote:
The loaded questions SlOosh mentions are strong points in favor of scumRayn.

I want to make clear where I stand cause it might confuse some people:

I would still lynch prplhz, and Rayn at a later date to see if he gives me strong reasons to believe he's town.
But since BH said he's so super confident on WoS, yesterday I decided it would be a good idea to sheep him, so I placed my vote even while not having a conclusive opinion on WoS at the time just cause BH said 10.

Waking up today I started working for that WoS lynch and read through, he plays like he doesn't really give a fuck about finding out who's mafia (thus playing like mafia) and is very susceptible to people calling him out in any way (mafia), he tries to shake off his attackers, who became his scumreads at the same time, but doesn't really try to persuade others about it in the process (mafia), it rather looks like he tries to persuade his attackers that he's town and they're mafia or something along that.

A scumWoS is compatible with the idea of a scumrayn and a scumprplhz, but not with a scumOats so that should answer s & b's question about what I think about Oats.

On May 14 2013 19:32 Vivax wrote:


Currently leaning town on you. And having WoS as scumread, that actually puts you at exclusion. If he flips red you're confirmed town.

On May 14 2013 16:01 Vivax wrote:

Waffle of Shadow

1. Call a guy town while implying he should be vigged.

+ Show Spoiler +

2. No scumreads, just trolling, defending and talking about irrelevant stuff. (Source: His filter)

What has WoS done, analysis-wise? His first "scumread" was a vote on Oats as reaction to him voting for him based on poor reasoning. Later he started calling BH scum while at the same time throwing in he's not. He dug up some half-assed meta from him, ending up in this after BH called it out for being bullshit:



Here WoS clearly talks to BH as if he thought he was town. If WoS thought BH was scum, he'd be looking through his filter finding evidence for that point,not trying to argue and deescalate the situation by talking with BH like that.

If you look at WoS' posts after this, you have another example of that scummy mindset:

Looking at the first post, it's made to discredit BH and subtly call him scum. But if you look at the next post (2), he goes all like "I ALREADY DEFENDED MYSELF BRO LEAVE ME ALONE PLS", does the begging tone look like something you would use towards a scumread, where you have to expect that it's someone who's going to push you against all rationality?
AAAAAnd in the next post (3), he goes back to calling BH's actions scummy, but nowhere do we see WoS trying to push a lynch on BH, all he cares about is waffling and defending himself.







All these points can be interpreted this way:
WoS knows BH is town, and is not bringing up the motivation or creativity to push bullshit cases on him (or any other townie for that matter), which is a talent you need as scum to not look like you're just skating by and pushing mislynches.

It would be WoS first scum game, so it makes sense from that perspective. He's playing like a noob scum. Starts with posting some BS in the thread, posts mafia gifs, talks about a town miller calling for a vig, even softclaims scum, all this trolly stuff during N0, and now that D1 is here and the scumhunting gots realz, he keeps the waffling up and doesn't look for scum like one would be used from his town counterpart.

BH comes up with a supertunnel of justice after WoS buddied him in a post reasoning about how kita and DP were such awesome targets for scum (!), and he replies with this:



In all this time WoS is not getting down to being town, it's D1 and he openly admits he's not playing like town, here, in this post. That's cause he doesn't care about solving the game, he already got the solution, and he's aware that he's playing like ass, but he announces that he's going to try to look town at some point later in the game. That shouldn't even be necessary during D1, hunting season started already for zealous townies.

AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post.
Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts.

Vote scum, vote this waffle

On May 14 2013 23:11 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, WoS, this is what I want you to do. Go reread the thread the whole way through. When you come back give me a new scumspect with new reasoning. Show me your thought process in detail. If you really are town take this as a chance to prove it instead of bitching about people thinking you are scum.

On May 14 2013 23:36 Oatsmaster wrote:

lulz.
Go and pull similarities from that game and defend yourself

On May 14 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote:


So you admit being mafia?

On May 14 2013 04:37 shirokami wrote:
@Rayn

um I think its because im trying to play without a notepad this time and play based on reading a fuckton of filters and trying to just make an image of the game inside my head.

the votes are on atleast 1 scum at the moment, just trying to think who that is.

I dont like Oats or WoS at the moment.

On May 15 2013 00:16 Vivax wrote:
WoS what do you think made BH so confident that you're scum?

On May 15 2013 00:30 Promethelax wrote:
Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...

I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.

WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me.

On May 15 2013 00:48 Promethelax wrote:
I believe that both night kills were from scum (a game this size having less than 2 kp for scum would be really odd unless a lot of it is conditional or something) since I believe that and Oats' post felt like genuine shock that a vig would hit DP I think it is what we call in the business a 'townslip'

Basically a scum seeing those flips we think: oh good, our shots went through. A townie could think: jesus why did another townie shoot my town read who people were talking about shooting. A scum would never think: oh god that would have been such a bad vig shot, the scum knows it was a scum shot.

I don't really know if I can make this any clearer but the above is my reasoning for thinking Oats is town. It made more sense before he continued to be scummy and not act the way I expect a town Oats to act. I'm still leaning on the town side of null for Oats because of the above but I'm not as sure as I was.

On May 15 2013 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
huh, my pm wasnt clear. We can just see who has 2 votes though if that is the case.
Unless its anonymous. Which is probably is.

Prome thoughts on massive list post?

On May 15 2013 01:03 Promethelax wrote:
Because I have my vote on OO and based on his lurking I rather like staying it there. Where votes are when we are so far from lynching doesn't matter, we're not near deadline we're not near L-1 on anyone my vote could be on Tommy The Fireman and it wouldn't matter. All anyone I'm pressuring needs to know is that I am willing to lynch them and have the sway with this town to do so. My vote can be anywhere and it doesn't matter to the pressure, note how you've felt pressure without my vote on you?

On May 15 2013 01:42 shirokami wrote:
if wos is town i want to lynch rayn.

because rayn said wos is town.

On May 15 2013 00:14 WaveofShadow wrote:

Shiro:
You went from OO and Oats to me and Oats to just me.

Do you like Oats more right now? Do you think we are bussing?
For someone who has professed to be around more this game you haven't done much.

On May 15 2013 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.

Please quicklynch WoS so we basically waste a day if he is town(hes not) and we dont really find his scumbuddies if he is scum(he is).

byeeee

On May 15 2013 01:52 shirokami wrote:
@WoS

I never went from OO and Oats to you and oats and then just you, rayn asked what I thought about OO and Oats so I answered.

On May 15 2013 01:58 shirokami wrote:
bussing who? and no I dont like him more, I just like you less.

On May 15 2013 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Blanket inactivity (as in BM who literally hasn't posted) is not on its own a scumtell. these guys will probably be replaced and modkilled anyways.

I find it noteworthy that WoS's posts (at least at first) were trying to cause collateral damage rather than hunt scum. I believe it was Vivax(?) who pointed out that when WoS was close to death as town, he was accepting of it and tried to crank out as much analysis as he could. Where is that WoS, the town WoS? I admit that he has begun waffling on me instead of just blandly calling me scum, but I wouldn't count this as a legitimate point in his favor. I'm playing poorly, WoS? Everything I've done has been well-reasoned and thought out. If you think my thought process is flawed, that's fine-- show me where. If you think my prior assumptions or my observations are flawed, that's also fine-- show me where.

As for statements that I'm being trolly and aggressive as I was in The Game as scum, I'm going to take a moment now to address those. First off, I am generally a wordy and much-posting aggressive player regardless of alignment. In The Game I used a lot of spam and insults to ruin the town atmosphere, and I understand that any aggression from me might be interpreted through that lens. That being said, aggression for me is a key method for how I hunt scum. Many players who have occupied observer QTs with me have noted that my ability to hunt scum from an Obs QT is really bad. Why is that? Well, a lot of how I play involves, yes, prodding people aggressively and gauging their responses.

WoS responded to a push not with trying to figure out what's going on, or discern my alignment, and he definitely didn't respond until he was told to with trying to refine and post reads and help the town. He responded with OMGUS (that he backtracked when he realized it wasn't working), he responded with flames, he responded with general unhelpfulness and damage control for his potential associative tells. I'll admit, at the beginning of the push I was not 100% confident WoS was scum.

Now? I am.

/dunked

On May 14 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:

Answer my question though, BH. Knowing I have never played scum before at all and knowing what you know about me from past games.

Do you honestly think your analysis of me is correct? Because if you do then you MUST be scum because I know you're better than that.

On May 15 2013 03:33 Blazinghand wrote:
the fact that you've never played scum before is meaningless. it's not like your less likely to roll scum now because you haven't before.

also, you're literally troling this game and not trying to solve it. It's not a damn meta case that you're being a useless omgusing flamer instead of helpful.

On May 15 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't like VE atm. Particularly because he called Oats' list "interesting". That says nothing and he has yet to answer my question about it. I totally misread VE last game at first, i need to interact more with him to form a read on him. That's what i'm doing atm.

As i said earlier, i like Oats as lynch (although atm i prefer OO). His list contains some weird stuff that's plain out wrong or the conclusions are odd. Other than that his play does not seem like usual Oats town play. I don't think his 180 on VE is a scumtell though, he does that much as town.

On May 15 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:
quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_T

guess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments

Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time

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question for shirokami:

I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?

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Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.

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Responding to a question asked of me:


I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.

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My opinion on someone else that has votes on him:
I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan:
+ Show Spoiler +
Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to.

That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum.

On May 15 2013 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:
WoS literally every criticism I've made of you is valid. I will admit, I haven't offered my thoughts on enough other players since I've been pushing hard for your lynch, but for what it's worth I'm working to rectify that now. That doesn't change that fact that i'm literally right and you're literally scum. you can't just say i'm playing poor when I've already caught scum. You can whine all you want but it's pretty clear you're just trying to fling shit rather than be useful with your final hours alive. Just like a scum.

On May 15 2013 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Even if I have been a bit tunnell-ey, once WoS flips scum I will be vindicated of any of his dumb criticisms anyways

On May 15 2013 04:21 Blazinghand wrote:


This is literally not true. I mean, it woudl be difficult to prove you are town, but here's my advice, advice I typically follow if I am worried about getting mislynched:

when you are under pressure and worried about getting lynched, hunt scum and find a better target than yourself.

Not "OMGUS the best player in the game" or "flame and be wrothless" or "pretend to be mad"

This is how I never get mislynched, I help the fuck out of town

On May 15 2013 04:25 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm not "baiting" you i'm freaking making good cases against you. look, I understand we've been a bit antagonistic with each other but that's not a reason to be like "I'm going to ignore BH" Until I see what I view as legitimate progress towards appearing town from you, I will criticize your play. That's just how it is. Ask some dudes in your QT what to do, they may have some advice.

If you want to tlak to me about another topic i'll be glad to continue to point out awesome useful points which nobody but e would ever think of

until then youre ability to be useful is limited, probably by choice

I will say this though, he was one of the people who turned me on to your weird post that you and I are on the same wavelength.

On May 15 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are really annoying and i understand WoS' getting mad at you. Please try to say something useful that does not include WoS ok?

On May 15 2013 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have no idea what it means. I still wonder why BH just dropped his "pressure OO if i die on N0" stuff, and hasn't brought up OO since then. I'm especially concerned about this as i think you (WoS) are town and if people lynch you BH gets a "fresh" start with no contributions towards anyone.

So BH, why did you completely drop your suspicions on OO?

On May 15 2013 04:58 HiroPro wrote:
viscera, do you actually think that you can get vayne lynched today?

On May 15 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:
BTW wos if it makes you feel better after you flip scum I will lynch your buddy vivax for bussing you so obviously.

your attempted to distance before death is noted though.

On May 15 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you mean by small info hunch? If you are town and was hit on N0, why try to lead town into lynching OO if you are not even sure of your read on him?


BEcause a lot of people are suspicious of you. If you get lynched and flip town that does not make BH any more scummy than any other people who voted for you (based on votes). He could argue "look, nearly everyone thought WoS was scummy, i pushed my scumread bla bla". How are you supposed to argue against that? That's why i want him to adress other people as well, and give his thoughts about them, not some dunks and one liners.

On May 15 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
See I find this curious. You and I both seem to agree that Oats is scummy and yet we are at each other's throats. We both also agree that it is unlikely for both the other AND for Oats to be scum. We both agree on the townslip issue, though for different reasons.


Say what you want about HOW I said it, the fact remains that there is truth to it.

I have a feeling I already know how this ends but I am going to attempt to extend the olive branch for now in the interest of catching scum. If we agree (at least partially) on Oats maybe there is other information to be had here.

On May 14 2013 04:38 grush57 wrote:

Hello.
Bad Meta defense that doesn't mean anything.
He doesn't even say this game just almost every game.
Scum?
mmmhmm looks like it

On May 15 2013 05:24 grush57 wrote:

Yes but you never claimed abyssal passion.
You jokingly said starsenses.
Scum claim?

On May 15 2013 05:52 ObviousOne wrote:
WoS please vote me

On May 15 2013 06:20 ObviousOne wrote:
I am useless today. I am ready to be hostile and mean. I have a crushing headache at this moment and I cannot think to save my life. So I am helping take out the trash and voting myself. That's really it. Unless you somehow feel I could redeem myself and then I'll vote Sinani or BM. Is really easy to spot scum OO and these retards believe I am being scum OO. So they are either not thinking or scum and I just don't have it in me to figure out which.

On May 15 2013 06:30 ObviousOne wrote:
You offered to listen. Why say that nobody is listening to you in a conversation with me? I already read the thread once yes. I simply can't be useful today. Maybe I will have some insight later when I get my brain back and this headache is gone.

Someone was talking about preflip associations. The cure is to flip someone. Not hard. IML is so good.

On May 15 2013 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:
you knwo what i have solution to OO problem

##unvote
##vote OO

"oh but bh isn't wos 100% scum" FYC SDFDASDFSA fine

actually no not fine nobody does what OO does without getting lynched

On May 15 2013 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:
come on guys let's dunk this fucker. and yes, I know when we lynch WoS tomorrow it will look bad for me because i delayed lynching an obvscum by a day, but there's literally no way we're not lynching OO today

On May 15 2013 06:46 Blazinghand wrote:


that's true, if we lynch OO and he flips town we lose a valuable player oh wait no that's literlaly false also there is no way this kind of play should ever be allowed by anyone, martyring is something anyone can do and if we refuse to lynch people for it we will never catch any scum and games will become shitfests populated by poop creatures and turdposts

On May 15 2013 06:47 ObviousOne wrote:

Okay. That makes some sense. FWIW I don't think you are mafia and I do plan to re-read tonight despite my condition. So let's do this and vote Sinani. BM is easy enough to figure out when he posts. Let's vote Sinani off the ship.

##unvote ObviousOne
##vote Sinani

Resistance will be met with aggression and hostility. If you are counting on a mod kill, shut your hole. If you think you can read into him with zero posts, you're deranged. Take out the trash. First lynch is a gift.

On May 15 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:
Wave. Idk. It's like, I predict mafia wouldn't kill him because look how useful he is to town. I'm thinking about the long game here.

On May 15 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:

This post came too quick for you to have read my post. And you're voting yourself. Come back when you're ready to play the game.

On May 15 2013 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:


you have one of the most emotionally unstable filters in this thread, there is some non bullshit for you.

On May 15 2013 07:35 strongandbig wrote:
So the day ends in six hours right?

##vote: oatsmaster

i will be around to consolidate in a few hours if need be but we need to start getting some votes up in this biatch

On May 15 2013 09:51 Promethelax wrote:

Probably best to look into Vayne (I'm pretty sure he is town but don't take my word on it). Look into Rayn, Oats, prp and Hiro I guess? We need a lynch and we need some consolidation.

On May 15 2013 08:09 ObviousOne wrote:
I don't like it and I think I'll vote to lynch you now that I've reviewed your filter. Nothing in Prplhz filter says scum to me right now. Your point about Kita interaction means precisely nothing. Saying you suck to slOosh is null. Two null points do not a scum read make. This is a staggering fabrication while you yourself remain distanced and full of "logic" but your logic is faulty and a such you are either willfully pushing a bad lynch or you are simply not aware that most players here are friendly with each other and that basic interactions are useful not only to determine alignment but to greet each other when they haven't played together in some time.

##unvote Sinani
##vote VayneAuthority

On May 15 2013 08:09 ObviousOne wrote:
I don't like it and I think I'll vote to lynch you now that I've reviewed your filter. Nothing in Prplhz filter says scum to me right now. Your point about Kita interaction means precisely nothing. Saying you suck to slOosh is null. Two null points do not a scum read make. This is a staggering fabrication while you yourself remain distanced and full of "logic" but your logic is faulty and a such you are either willfully pushing a bad lynch or you are simply not aware that most players here are friendly with each other and that basic interactions are useful not only to determine alignment but to greet each other when they haven't played together in some time.

##unvote Sinani
##vote VayneAuthority

On May 15 2013 07:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne is the wrong lynch today, VE. See his other ongoing newbie game that we can't talk about and you will see why.

On May 15 2013 08:09 ObviousOne wrote:
I don't like it and I think I'll vote to lynch you now that I've reviewed your filter. Nothing in Prplhz filter says scum to me right now. Your point about Kita interaction means precisely nothing. Saying you suck to slOosh is null. Two null points do not a scum read make. This is a staggering fabrication while you yourself remain distanced and full of "logic" but your logic is faulty and a such you are either willfully pushing a bad lynch or you are simply not aware that most players here are friendly with each other and that basic interactions are useful not only to determine alignment but to greet each other when they haven't played together in some time.

##unvote Sinani
##vote VayneAuthority

On May 15 2013 10:21 Blazinghand wrote:


I don't think the OO flip will influence my reads either way. I don't have any association between him and WoS or any anti-association or anything, and tbh even if I did that wouldn't be big enough to sway me either way. I get that OO is making some semi-legit attempts to appear helpful in his final hours here, but (and don't get a big head here WoS) I have had more constructive dialogue with WoS than OO. We lose nothing by lynching OO and have everything to gain.

That being said, I have this niggling feeling that OO might flip town, in which case people will be on my ass after with flip WoS tomorrow and he flips scum, since I delayed the WoS flip by a day. Hell, if by some ridiculous circumstance (and this is just for the point of argument) WoS flips town after tomorrow's lynch, I *still* look bad since I'm delaying my "reckoning" by a day. I get that I'm spending all my towncred and goodwill by flipping OO today rather than tomorrow, but it's still the optimal move. I'm sure I will analyze and catch scum and people won't mind that I'm doing this. Over the course of the game, I will be acquitted.

But this lynch is necessary.

On May 15 2013 10:30 Promethelax wrote:
WoS: I was letting you finish getting those reads out. I rather liked your mini 'cases' the one on prp's focus on Hiro was the best in my opinion as it was something I hadn't noticed. Prp's interest in Hiro has felt genuine though as you say I'm now very interested in seeing more from him on other players.

I think saying the Oats lynch won't happen is very poor reading of thread sentiment. There are a lot of people in the willing to lynch oats group, it just so happens that I personally am opposed to it and you are listening to me more than you are to others. If you will be around until deadline I'd prefer you keep your vote on the player you think is most likely scum and try to get others to vote with you consolidation is not yet necessary.

On May 15 2013 10:27 Blazinghand wrote:


Yes, I get it, all my towncred is gone after you flip scum if OO flips town. Yes, everyone will claimed I delayed scumlynch for a day. I'll get by okay though.

Your vote for OO is more troubling to me than anything else you've said or done. Why are you bussing him?

On May 15 2013 10:40 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit WoS asked me a question? Repost for me I'm watching the most ridiculous movie I have ever seen.

On May 15 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:
The movie is called "Heavy Metal" and it's actually losing me several IQ points. Not sure wtf it's supposed to be about an I'm halfway thru.


To reiterate, his case on Prp is a complete fabrication. Yes I had been reading and obsing the other game he is in up until this started. But for someone who is lauding logic and facts his points against Prp are nothing of the sort.

On May 15 2013 11:08 ObviousOne wrote:
The fact that nobody wasted any night actions on him (other than mafia I guess?) just means that I was wrong about him being mafia. Did you disagree that without his miller claim he looked scummy? That was the idea I was pushing.

On May 14 2013 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
and yes, I am fishing for blues. Oh noes. so horrible.

On May 15 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

My thoughts are that OO is town and that we are mislynching.

Prome why you wanna lynch town?

On May 16 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm too tired to write anything big now. I just got "home" and need to sleep. Protect Prome/Sloosh. I don't care if VE/chaoser/BH die, even if they are town, as VE is probably scum, chaoser has disappeared since his questions for me, and BH is being useless besides his push on WoS.

Lynch Oats/VE/Kush tomorrow if nothing changes. For Oats, read my and his filter, you should see why. For VE, his vote was bullshit on a person that would never get lynched and the push was really weak. He also calls Oats' list "interesting" but does not contribute to it after, even when asked. Kush is really really bad, but not in a normal townie kush way. Anyone who has played a game with him should noticve this.

shiro/Vivax are odd, keep an eye on them. I don't like Vivax sheeping BH and then saying "I pushed WoS lynch". Vivax also can't possibly have a town read on shiro based on his contributions because that dude is a sneaky bitch sometimes. I am the only one who can really read shiro based on his contributions so far, and i am starting to doubt my read on him. He would never try to lynch me if he was scum (as i would get him lynched before), and it seems like he is trying to cast suspicion on me as some strong players are suspicious of me without doing shit about it. When i ask for reasons he is just joking about it. Other than that shiro just plain out sheeps BH. There is no way he can have a town read on BH, or if he does, he needs to explain it. Also if in any case shiro flips mafia, look at his D1 contributions. He is hesitant to buss or even talk about his teammates unless asked, that would mean all his suspects from D1 are 100% town.

That's all i got for you guys now. I'm really just too tired to make big posts now..

On May 16 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:
Kush abandoned the WoS bandwagon very quickly to go for BH, his aggressor. He might have been scared about WoS getting lynched and went for a quick bus, then switched target when the waters calmed down.

Overall, scum doesn't even have to bus WoS. A lot of townies have him as town. A lot of my faith into him being scum is BH's confidence, if BH is scum then that would possibly have consequences for my Vayne and kush read.

On May 16 2013 09:54 shirokami wrote:
blah rayn dont flatter yourself, the townread on BH is gone. vivax is my friend now.

I still want to lynch WoS and you.

On May 16 2013 10:00 kushm4sta wrote:
As for my play d1: yup I had no idea wtf was going on and my opinion was pretty much not work anything. I abandoned wagons because they were pure sheeps. D1 should be give you a null read of me.

Tonight I will try to find the scum and that is a kush promise..

On May 16 2013 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
That rayn shot was also kinda weird.

huh.
why not prome/bh/VE???

On May 16 2013 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:
basically what i'd expect. a lot of meaningles babbles (about chaoser) and some attempts to look more townie. absent the hideous no-lynch today, he looks a bit better, but none of the reasons have changed and really it's inexcusable not to lynch him now

On May 16 2013 15:11 Blazinghand wrote:


so what you're saying is, since prom didn't push you, and i was the one who really pushed you, one of BH and BH must be scum

Now i'm replying to you not for your sake, since you're almost certainly scum, but just to lay it clear for everyone else: it's utterly unreasonable to think i'm scum for that reason., because

man my head is spinning

like, scum would shoot me for pushing one of their scumbuddies, WoS, that's the theory right? Like, WoS is saying "If BH is so onto me, and so pushing me, why didn't my scumbuddies just shoot BH? clearly BH is scum!" but like this would require both woS and me to be scum, and for

wow i literally have a headache

look, WoS's logic, that scum would shoot to protect him from me because i was onto him, and didn't, therefore i'm scum, literally only makes sense if WoS is scum, but then it doesn't make sense because why would I push a scumbuddy so hard D1

i'm dizzy

i need to lie down

fuck

On May 16 2013 15:11 Blazinghand wrote:


so what you're saying is, since prom didn't push you, and i was the one who really pushed you, one of BH and BH must be scum

Now i'm replying to you not for your sake, since you're almost certainly scum, but just to lay it clear for everyone else: it's utterly unreasonable to think i'm scum for that reason., because

man my head is spinning

like, scum would shoot me for pushing one of their scumbuddies, WoS, that's the theory right? Like, WoS is saying "If BH is so onto me, and so pushing me, why didn't my scumbuddies just shoot BH? clearly BH is scum!" but like this would require both woS and me to be scum, and for

wow i literally have a headache

look, WoS's logic, that scum would shoot to protect him from me because i was onto him, and didn't, therefore i'm scum, literally only makes sense if WoS is scum, but then it doesn't make sense because why would I push a scumbuddy so hard D1

i'm dizzy

i need to lie down

fuck

On May 14 2013 00:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I just realized something.
In almost every game I have played, all of the wagons that have a chance of getting me mislynched early are started by scum.
See: kita in The Game.
Tunkeg in Ego Mini.
I feel like there's another good example but I can't think of it right now.

Prom if you'd like proof of this I can post links and shit later on.
Here's one actually.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057&currentpage=64#1272

On May 16 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
that just seems to be you omgusing me but i could be wrong i am not a scientist, just a lay person

On May 16 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

Um what? Why would the fact that Vivax rolls blues often be a reason why he was shot? So you are saying it was a bluesnipe? On a vig? Like I dont think there are specific vig blue tells that caused him to be shot, so above post is absolutely BULLSHIT.

Which one of them is more likely scum cause they pushed you and WHY?

On May 16 2013 15:23 Blazinghand wrote:


well there you explain it super clearly

"BH is scum because he is pushing me, omgus huehuehue"

vs

"some weird shit about nks, i am scum so bh is scum because... yeah"

On May 16 2013 15:26 Blazinghand wrote:
martyring is null what planet are you from

and i'm like the #1 guy getting OO lynched, it's people like all people who didn't vote OO due to like badness and stuff that are the reason he didn't getl ynched

On May 16 2013 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
OH YEAH I HAVE MY VOTE!!.

##Vote: WoS
Again with the promises WoS. And you didnt fufill the earlier ones. Tsk. Lying is bad.

BH, WoS martyrs in like almost every game except this one, and so far he has always been town. I am of the opinion that its the same as selfvotes. Selfvotes are null.


Are you serious? You think that Vivax got killed cause of the fact the he uses blue roles well, Y/N?


Shut up and come back when you have determined which dude is scum. After answering my very important questions.
What is great about this WoS, is that you didnt bring this up earlier, oh no you only figured this out now. Wow... Wow.

On March 22 2013 15:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


On this day, many of my peers did not return to the circle. The title cards were collected from their seats and read aloud, as was custom.

Vivax the Sword

GoodKarma the Priest

Sciberbia the Fool

Wade Fell the Messenger


In the discordant and endless song of my allies being read off the daily obituary, one note rang out at the end triumphantly, reminding me that indeed victory was within reach. Renewed, I sat at the end of the chair with my confidence intact.

On May 16 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm too tired to write anything big now. I just got "home" and need to sleep. Protect Prome/Sloosh. I don't care if VE/chaoser/BH die, even if they are town, as VE is probably scum, chaoser has disappeared since his questions for me, and BH is being useless besides his push on WoS.

Lynch Oats/VE/Kush tomorrow if nothing changes. For Oats, read my and his filter, you should see why. For VE, his vote was bullshit on a person that would never get lynched and the push was really weak. He also calls Oats' list "interesting" but does not contribute to it after, even when asked. Kush is really really bad, but not in a normal townie kush way. Anyone who has played a game with him should noticve this.

shiro/Vivax are odd, keep an eye on them. I don't like Vivax sheeping BH and then saying "I pushed WoS lynch". Vivax also can't possibly have a town read on shiro based on his contributions because that dude is a sneaky bitch sometimes. I am the only one who can really read shiro based on his contributions so far, and i am starting to doubt my read on him. He would never try to lynch me if he was scum (as i would get him lynched before), and it seems like he is trying to cast suspicion on me as some strong players are suspicious of me without doing shit about it. When i ask for reasons he is just joking about it. Other than that shiro just plain out sheeps BH. There is no way he can have a town read on BH, or if he does, he needs to explain it. Also if in any case shiro flips mafia, look at his D1 contributions. He is hesitant to buss or even talk about his teammates unless asked, that would mean all his suspects from D1 are 100% town.

That's all i got for you guys now. I'm really just too tired to make big posts now..

On May 15 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:

huh.
INTERESTING.

Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?

On May 16 2013 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
That rayn shot was also kinda weird.

huh.
why not prome/bh/VE???

On May 15 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:

huh.
INTERESTING.

Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?

On May 17 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why must you shittalk half the people in this game?

On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.

On May 17 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
You want me to look into hiro or you will be looking into both hiro and me?

VE, I eagerly await you proving yourself townie. I'd much rather be on your team than against you.

How do people feel about the tubed slots (BM and sinani) I'm not sure how to deal with them since they aren't lurking they are empty. I'm hoping to see mod kills/replaces soon so I guess hold off for now? I dunno, they are on my mind.

On May 17 2013 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

LALALA I CANT HERE YOU, YOU ARE SCUM!!! !! !! !! ! ! !.

But seriously that Vivax thing?
No one, Absolutely 0 people shoot dudes cause.
1. They are good at blues.
2. They roll blues often.

You staying with this is really bad, feels like you said something scummy you didnt really think through and now trying to defend yourself.

On May 17 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:

Its scummy cause he didnt want to admit it was stupid. And he also couldnt think of a proper explanation why Vivax was shot.

On May 16 2013 15:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here.

As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day.

If you don't like it, or think it's scummy, you have a vote.

On May 17 2013 08:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Let's also consider that the entire mafia team (that was present) had already voted for me.

Day 1 votes
Voting for OO:
Prome - town read
Hiro - null read, closer to town than mafia, going to green for now, also BH doesn't want to talk about him for some reason or at least not with me and that factors in
Rayn - town flip
VA - town flip
sloosh - null read, need to dive him at some point
BH - ??? not scum with WoS, tunneling and being generally useless otherwise, of him and WoS I would put him at scum.
WoS - ??? not scum with BH, defending pretty hard, reads townie to me, of him and BH potentially being mafia I would go with BH but BIAS.
SNB - casts some doubt on VE but wants to flip me or Oats first. Oats getting his vote stolen is somehow reflects as summy on him? Not buying what you're selling here.
VE - scum read

Potentially 4 mafia already on my wagon from my current feel for the game. With 2 completely inactive (sinani, BM) one of those could potentially be scum, so we'll see about that later. Then there's the idea that they have been discussing "why didn't mafia vote for OO if he's going to be a mislynch?" when in fact the simplest answer is that the active mafia already WERE on my wagon. Voting on a policy wagon apparently doesn't reflect poorly on the voters when the offended policy is martyring so I would imagine mafia would have felt comfortable lynching me without worrying about it. A mafia team that is comfortable with defending themselves from the repercussions of a policy lynch would have no qualms piling on, and fuck with vote analysis down the lane.

On May 17 2013 09:25 kushm4sta wrote:
I will vote VE.

But in regards to WoS, people need to realize he spams as scum. So spamming doesn't make him town.

##vote VE

On May 17 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Please hide more information while you refuse to vote for scum. Please. It's helping me decide which of you or BH is scum. Stop being so helpful. Stop it. Stop. Oh wait.

On May 13 2013 05:35 Promethelax wrote:
WoS, that is dumb and you know it. Past statistics have nothing to do with this game. Why respond to that accusation which has no content or reasoning?

Kita: why WoS?

On May 15 2013 00:30 Promethelax wrote:
Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...

I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.

WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me.

On May 17 2013 23:04 Promethelax wrote:


Your assessment matches mine.

## unvote

I'm liking the Play from VE today and hiro scum slipped. Points to the first person to find it.

##vote: hiropro

On May 15 2013 09:43 HiroPro wrote:
I don't see a lynch happening today and I won't be voting for either wave or vayne. might be around later to see if something changes.

On May 17 2013 09:00 HiroPro wrote:
to be honest, this game is kind of silly. i still haven't gone through viscera's posts but we literally cannot win (since we won't be able to get lynches) unless one of chaoser/bill/sinani is mafia.

On May 17 2013 09:31 HiroPro wrote:
w/e, i'll just hope for some luck in that regard.

Voting for Viscera because:

- the early WaveOfShadow vote looks artificial ("Abnormally high ratio of gif/pics"), this has nothing to do with alignment
- he constantly emphasizes early on that Obvious is lurky and lacks skill as mafia and then somehow reaches the conclusion that it's entirely possible for obvious to be a good mafia player.
- The assertion that the townie thing for obvious to do was to self-vote and suicide is complete nonsense and seems made up.

##Vote VisceraEyes

On May 18 2013 05:32 HiroPro wrote:
I think BH is mafia for 2 reasons: the first being that he has avoided any discussion of the major lynches of today and the second being that he seems very willing to overblow minor issues.

If you look at day 2, what have been the major lynches of the day? The first is the push onto VisceraEyes and the second is the lynch attempt on me. Almost every player has either made a vote onto one of these lynches or voiced their opinions about the two of us. Blazinghand though has been active during this time period, has been asked numerous times to comment on what he thinks of me, yet hasn't made a single comment on whether VisceraEyes or myself are mafia/town. I can't think of a single town reason to avoid this issue, yet I can think of several reasons that a mafia player might do this: he doesn't want to offer up opinions because he's afraid of being wrong or defending a teammate, he would rather see another no-lynch as people are unable to consolidate, he's waiting to see which person will be lynched and then jump on at the last second.

My next problem with Blazinghand is that he seems willing to ignore the major events that occur around him and instead focuses on relatively minor things. Discarding the "10/10" WaveOfShadow lynch for ObviousOne because he martyred and then later indicated that he was willing to live is a small example. The bigger one though is what has happened today between himself and prplhz. Depending on what the KP formula is, we're looking at a MYLO/LYLO situation here. Every town player should be trying to find the best possible lynch. Yet Blazinghand has seemingly decided to go after prplhz on psuedo-policy reasons. This comment in particular seems completely off: "Show me where he does this as scum OR tell me you have a red check on him OR tell me this is a policy lynch." Why on earth would prplhz saying that he's policy lynching kushm4sta make it an acceptable push when BH apparently feels that no case on kushm4sta is acceptable without showing that he does that behavior as mafia? This isn't day 1, we're not in a situation where policy lynches are feasible or good, so why would Blazinghand be ok with that as town? The simple answer is that Blazinghand has an easy reason to vote for someone as mafia. This isn't even considering the fact that declaring that someone can only be lynched if you can prove that they've done this exact same thing as mafia before is a completely ludicrous statement.

I think BH has the best chance of flipping mafia today, so everyone should vote for him.

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On May 18 2013 05:54 Blazinghand wrote:
for the record hiropro is a hideously bad lynch. he's not scum just a bad player. prplhz' is making this shit case against kush and opting out of the discussion and yall are just letting it slide for some reason. vote prplhz