EPTand most recent town game that wasnt him trolling was british 2 I think.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
and most recent town game that wasnt him trolling was british 2 I think. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
goznaw got shot to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it. artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done. Artanis, claim. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:53 Caller wrote: stop goznaw got shot to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it. artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done. Artanis, claim. No. That's just dumb. We need to be lynching VE. No reason for him to claim if we are going to lynch him. The sheer level of stupidity in this post is beyond me. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:53 Caller wrote: stop goznaw got shot to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it. artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done. Artanis, claim. I claim that you're being an idiot if you think scum needed any more reason to shoot Gonzaw than knowing his role, knowing that everyone thinks he's town and knowing that he can shoot into scum. P.S: He wanted to get me lynched, not shot. How about taking a look at the list of players he was considering shooting into? | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
And since with mafia already having the assassin, they'd also pick one of the numerous rolecop options. So, he'll be able to shoot every day regardless of your claiming. Just saying. I still want to lynch Artanis, more than ever. Fuck the stupid wifom defenses some of you guys come up with. VE also still scum. I'm not sure how good the reasons to think he's NRA are, but I'd worry about that tomorrow. Today is Artanis-day. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Thoughts on Palmar? Why is VE scum? Is it cause activity? | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Why so tunnelly dandel? Thoughts on Palmar? Why is VE scum? Is it cause activity? Well I figured after saying "I'd lynch half the people in this game", I should tunnel a dude to mix it up a little. VE is scum because activity + Show Spoiler [by the way] + On April 07 2013 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Game hasn't started bitch. Wait til game starts and I blow your mind with activity. On April 08 2013 15:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I just got back and wow. Jesus. So...there's a lot to take in. I know I'm not much of a presence in this game, but I seriously need to reread everything before I post again. My initial thoughts before doing so: scum trying to set me up maybe? -.- God I look horrible. 1) Not doing shit after supposedly blowing this game out of the water with activity 2) Gives excuse for continuing to not do shit after not doing shit 3) "I'M GETTING SET UP HERE ;_;" whining that makes no sense because play like his doesn't need any "setting up" to push. 4) "god I look horrible" whining with no indication of doing anything about it. Whiny lazy scum. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:07 Restraining Order wrote: People scared of claiming, when the assassin has already shot.. And since with mafia already having the assassin, they'd also pick one of the numerous rolecop options. So, he'll be able to shoot every day regardless of your claiming. Just saying. If I have a strong role, claiming can get me into all sorts of shit and get me roleblocked or roleswapped or whichever. If I have a defensive or detective role, claiming will make sure I can't trust my findings or get killed. If I have no role, claiming would be incredibly dumb because I'd want to soak up a hit at night which would no longer happen. No matter how you slice it, claiming is dumb. I still want to lynch Artanis, more than ever. Fuck the stupid wifom defenses some of you guys come up with. Solid case bro. Tell me, if you were in a scumteam would you need more than the reasons I underlined to shoot someone? Really? VE also still scum. I'm not sure how good the reasons to think he's NRA are, but I'd worry about that tomorrow. Today is Artanis-day. I'm happy to see VE die as well, but today is definitely not Artanis-day. Also I looked up Vivax' meta, Oats. I don't think he's scum. His OMGUS on you and the fact that he didn't put any pressure on anyone in the early game other than that rubs me the wrong way, but he's been picking it up since then and showing the stream of consciousness that I'm used to seeing from a town Vivax. In his LX scum game he had a lot of small posts with no real meaning and large posts whenever he thought it was time to make it look like he was contributing. His posting style in this game is very different from that. | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Solid case bro. Tell me, if you were in a scumteam would you need more than the reasons I underlined to shoot someone? Really? It's not about NEEDING more. But if there ARE more, a mafiateam would gladly take it. In the end, this is a horrible point. I understand why you want to argue it, since it goes against you strongly, but that doesn't make it a good one by any stretch. Au contraire. On April 08 2013 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I looked up Vivax' meta, Oats. I don't think he's scum. His OMGUS on you and the fact that he didn't put any pressure on anyone in the early game other than that rubs me the wrong way, but he's been picking it up since then and showing the stream of consciousness that I'm used to seeing from a town Vivax. In his LX scum game he had a lot of small posts with no real meaning and large posts whenever he thought it was time to make it look like he was contributing. His posting style in this game is very different from that. Did you read LVIII? Let's talk about who you want to lynch instead of yourself. You only defending yourself, it's getting boring. Why are you not pushing Shelvocke hardcore yet? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:56 Restraining Order wrote: It's not about NEEDING more. But if there ARE more, a mafiateam would gladly take it. In the end, this is a horrible point. I understand why you want to argue it, since it goes against you strongly, but that doesn't make it a good one by any stretch. Au contraire. No, that's dumb because if scum will shoot him 100% of the time for the reasons I stated then any potential extra reasons are completely moot. Did you read LVIII? Let's talk about who you want to lynch instead of yourself. You only defending yourself, it's getting boring. Why are you not pushing Shelvocke hardcore yet? I read LX and British Empire II. I'm talking about the people that I'm questioned about. Shelvocke hasn't even replied to any of this: + Show Spoiler [He's responded to none of this] + On April 08 2013 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Shelvocke His filter is fairly empty. His D1 plan was "pick whatever you like" then never actually pushed it. Rather than contributing to plans, he just calls all of them bad. Spends a lot of time on setup talk then jumps on the VE wagon as well. He never replies to the case made on him or any suspicion laid on him at all. Avoiding responsibility for his reads. There's really nothing in his filter to suggest towniness. Scum. On April 07 2013 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright so like I said earlier, I have a pretty strong scum read on Shevlocke and here’s why. What do these posts have in common? They are all worthless. Now this wouldn’t be such a problem except that he also has these posts: So there have been two options to speculate about worthless things so far (picking plans and who got what numbers), and shevlocke has jumped on them both. Does he have any reads? Thus far his one “scum read” is VE . His argument against VE is “he’s faking contributions by talking about irrelevant things” this is exactly what shevlocke himself has been doing which is ironic. So let’s quickly review, shevlocke has posted about both of the worthless topics the thread has discussed so far. On top of that, he accuses his only scum read of doing exactly what he himself is doing. Shevlocke is doing his best to blend in by providing “opinions” on the things that don’t matter and his one read is completely worthless. We’re not too far into day 1 but I want shevlocke’s name out there as a lynch candidate. On April 07 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote: I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well. VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games. Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out. And ze vote? 24 hours later. Not important because he didn't vote earlier, he couldn't, but important because discussion of VE has popped up here and there throughout the thread during those 24 hours. Shelvocke, who has really only called out VE at this point (apart from asking gonzaw if his secret scumread was snb (which he now adds to)), doesn't seem to care about anything that's been posted about/by VE during those 24 hours. Note that he HAS followed up on snb, looks to have reread snb before making that post. But his vote post on VE has more meat, more indication that Shelvocke is scumhunting, when he brings up snb, not VE, who he is actually voting for. Do not like. ##Vote: Shelvocke Since then, he's made a horribly reasoned vote on me. On April 08 2013 07:38 Shelvocke wrote: I like gonzaw's case. Artanis's stuff on geript does looks unnecessarily agressive and fake. I'm voting for him. ##Vote Artanis[Xp] Randomly goes back to the Geript stuff which happened ages ago yet he never cast suspicion on it back then. He never even mentioned it. On April 08 2013 16:05 Shelvocke wrote: Read my filter: + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 15:33 Shelvocke wrote: I don't really think rayn is mafia. His play does look different from those town quotes you had, but it doesn't look like that mafia game either. The only part of that game where he just suddenly jumps is the part where he votes for Krefla and even then he has a reason because Krefla just came in right before the deadline. The fact that he seems a lot more impulsive in this game than he has been before is something that points to him being town. I feel he would be a lot more careful and safe as mafia. The plan switch looks kind of strange, but his overall attitude makes him more likely town. On April 07 2013 15:52 Shelvocke wrote: I get what you're saying, but I've never seen a new mafia player be so crazy. I don't really understand the reasons for some of the stuff he does but it seems to me that he sees one post and then just makes up his mind based on that. Usually new mafia are much more safe and concerned about their appearance. It's possible he's some kind of mafia gosu but frankly that's not the impression I get from him. Something about this situation really strikes me the wrong way. There was still plenty of time left in the day and an Artanis lynch was nowhere certain. Like shooting gonzaw pretty much guarantees an Artanis lynch and I can't think of a good reason for mafia to do that if Artanis is mafia. I'm rereading the thread right now. Not entirely sure who to kill right now, but it's not Artanis. ##Unvote Randomly doesn't want to vote for me anymore because of WIFOM. What On April 08 2013 17:18 Shelvocke wrote: I think yamato shot gonzaw. I can't prove it, but it's the explanation that makes best sense to me right now going by people's reactions. I'm not entirely sure if he's the kind of person who would do that as town, but just skimming through the last normalish town game of his (Town Aint Big Mafia), I think it's entirely possible. Going to sleep on this, but that's where I'm at right now. The fuck? None of this makes any sense as town. Randomly unvoting me because of WIFOM, randomly accusing Yamato of shooting Gonzaw when Yamato has been agreeing with Gonzaw, it just doesn't make any sense from a town viewpoint. He's been afk for the rest, and all the times he was here he's played scummily. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:07 Restraining Order wrote: People scared of claiming, when the assassin has already shot.. And since with mafia already having the assassin, they'd also pick one of the numerous rolecop options. So, he'll be able to shoot every day regardless of your claiming. Just saying. I still want to lynch Artanis, more than ever. Fuck the stupid wifom defenses some of you guys come up with. VE also still scum. I'm not sure how good the reasons to think he's NRA are, but I'd worry about that tomorrow. Today is Artanis-day. Im not sure if knowing you are DI, is affecting my judgement. But i really dont like this post. We dont know for certain they have a role cop. If you want to go ahead and give us your role; go ahead. I certainly will not share what I am; nor do I recommend other members of town to share. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I looked up Vivax' meta, Oats. I don't think he's scum. His OMGUS on you and the fact that he didn't put any pressure on anyone in the early game other than that rubs me the wrong way, but he's been picking it up since then and showing the stream of consciousness that I'm used to seeing from a town Vivax. In his LX scum game he had a lot of small posts with no real meaning and large posts whenever he thought it was time to make it look like he was contributing. His posting style in this game is very different from that. Artanis if you have the time for meta reads. Perhaps the best game to flick through is "The Game". Vivax was a blue vig; but in particular took on a completed revamped play style with more focus in general. Its also worth considering he is smurfing as "Ghor" in "Ego Mani or Noir, i cant remember. Obviously alignment is not known however. =============== Let me know when your ready to chat, and I will muster a couple questions for you. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote: Artanis if you have the time for meta reads. Perhaps the best game to flick through is "The Game". Vivax was a blue vig; but in particular took on a completed revamped play style with more focus in general. Its also worth considering he is smurfing as "Ghor" in "Ego Mani or Noir, i cant remember. Obviously alignment is not known however. =============== Let me know when your ready to chat, and I will muster a couple questions for you. I really don't, I've been at work for the past 6 hours and I haven't done a single productive thing here yet lol. Fire the questions whenever ready and I'll answer them shortly. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:56 Restraining Order wrote: It's not about NEEDING more. But if there ARE more, a mafiateam would gladly take it. In the end, this is a horrible point. I understand why you want to argue it, since it goes against you strongly, but that doesn't make it a good one by any stretch. Au contraire. DI, I much preferred your posting before you smurf was revealed. It reads now like you have defaulted back to normal DI. Which is a shame. Can we stop this line of discussion. Its all WIFOM. We dont know when the kill order was submitted; so its pointless continuing this. Traditional scum hunting *will* bear better results. Let's talk about who you want to lynch instead of yourself. I believe the reasoning for Artanis vote from you solely, was ##SheepYou only defending yourself, it's getting boring. Why are you not pushing Shelvocke hardcore yet? Prior to that, you said you agree with Geript that VE is scum; and that you would be happy to shoot Sn0_Man. Walk me through why you are more adamant that Artanis needs to go since the assassination | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Sn0_man obviousone Raynpelikoneet Sinani206 Visceraeyes One of these people is the NRA, assuming geript's claim is true. Let's look at who wants to pick NRA. a) Mafia who wants to avoid townies going after him b) Townies who thinks mafia is going to go after him. I'll be perfectly honest here, I thought about picking NRA. The reason being I'm shot night 1 very often when I'm town. It's as simple as that, it's the best self-protective role in the game. Now the reason (aside from my position in the draft) I actually did not decide to go for the role was that I wasn't going to be posting the amount or content required to clearly paint myself town. It would actually be an anti-town role if I took it, because of the possibility that someone unsure of my alignment would decide to check me or something. So, we can safely assume that the person who has the NRA role either thinks he's doing a splendid job of looking so townie that mafia wants to shoot him and town does not want to do anything to him, or he's scum. My problem is that none of these top 5 players look like they're putting in the effort to be a town-sided NRA, so I am almost certain that whoever picked the NRA role must be scum. Assassin is another role I really wanted, but meh. Here's the thing, whoever holds the assassin role is almost certainly scum. The reason for this is that if I had the role I would DEFINITELY shoot on day 1. Worst case scenario is that I shoot a townie who doesn't die and gets mod-confirmed town, it also looks great for me since mafia assassin would almost certainly never pull that powerplay. so yeah, shooting day 1 worst case = 1 confirmed townie and a very likely townie in the assassin. Lose power best case scenario = kill scum So why not? Because our assassin (assuming someone took the role) is scum. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Lets put the past behind us, and have a fresh start. The questions I wanted to ask prior, for whatever, I dont want to ask anymore. So hopefully these ones are still of value. (1) RO was the person who introduced the concept of VT claiming. In more detail: it was claim what role you tried for, if you became a VT. - the idea was to determine scum power roles. With hindsight (i.e. assassin in the mix): Does this alter your perception of RO? (1 Corollary) I supported RO idea of forced VTs(At the time) Does this affect your opinion of me? (2) You posted prior that you like a Sinani lynch. Is this a lurker "stab in the dark" lynch; or do you think there is enough content in the filter to warrant a justified scum lynch? (3) Is your Vivax town read founded purely on that you expect him to be disruptive; but he isnt? Hence, are you applying Vivax specific heuristics - is this the case? Are you familiar enough with Vivax to even consider having specific heuristics? (4) Blanket question. 5 scum. At least one typically will have an active-ish presence. With the current game situation: Where do you prefer to look for first scum lynch. The 3-4 typical lurkers/blenders? Or the 1-2 actives trying to get influence? (5) Can you please reconfirm who your #1 scumspect is. You have identified several as scummy; but it isnt clear, who you would bank on. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
I'm going to have to be very convinced artanis is town before I back off this. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
ro, mafia dont need a role cop they can just be like "sometownie GREEN" for free assassin kills. artanis, i dont understand what your words mean. try english. also claim. You're going to die at this rate to a lynch. Just claim. That's the only way we might let you go. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:40 Palmar wrote: + Show Spoiler + Alright people, I'm going to contribute so you don't think I'm scum. Sn0_man obviousone Raynpelikoneet Sinani206 Visceraeyes One of these people is the NRA, assuming geript's claim is true. Let's look at who wants to pick NRA. a) Mafia who wants to avoid townies going after him b) Townies who thinks mafia is going to go after him. I'll be perfectly honest here, I thought about picking NRA. The reason being I'm shot night 1 very often when I'm town. It's as simple as that, it's the best self-protective role in the game. Now the reason (aside from my position in the draft) I actually did not decide to go for the role was that I wasn't going to be posting the amount or content required to clearly paint myself town. It would actually be an anti-town role if I took it, because of the possibility that someone unsure of my alignment would decide to check me or something. So, we can safely assume that the person who has the NRA role either thinks he's doing a splendid job of looking so townie that mafia wants to shoot him and town does not want to do anything to him, or he's scum. My problem is that none of these top 5 players look like they're putting in the effort to be a town-sided NRA, so I am almost certain that whoever picked the NRA role must be scum. Assassin is another role I really wanted, but meh. Here's the thing, whoever holds the assassin role is almost certainly scum. The reason for this is that if I had the role I would DEFINITELY shoot on day 1. Worst case scenario is that I shoot a townie who doesn't die and gets mod-confirmed town, it also looks great for me since mafia assassin would almost certainly never pull that powerplay. so yeah, shooting day 1 worst case = 1 confirmed townie and a very likely townie in the assassin. Lose power best case scenario = kill scum So why not? Because our assassin (assuming someone took the role) is scum. My o My In Nomination mafia, you went from low cred, lurker-bait to high cred, near-confirmed townie in a handful of posts. In Red Teams Prize, you were clearly town from your first couple posts. What im hinting at is: I am fully aware Palmar has the communication skills to be confirmed town, if he wants to be. And so far, we aint getting any of it. Was the above meant to have a conclusion? P.S. Im leaving this post intentionally as vague, as how you left yours. | ||
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