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yamato77
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Artanis[Xp]
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The basic level is that they figured out Gonzaw was a jack and that gonzaw is a strong town player. There is no more motivation needed, anything else is a bonus. Especially since I'm not actually scum and it gives a great argument to push my lynch home. The timing is convenient as well. Give gonzaw plenty of time to hammer his point through rather than immediately after his case to make sure it's still on everyone's mind. Come on Yamato, think critically here. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 17:19 yamato77 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 17:18 Shelvocke wrote: I think yamato shot gonzaw. I can't prove it, but it's the explanation that makes best sense to me right now going by people's reactions. I'm not entirely sure if he's the kind of person who would do that as town, but just skimming through the last normalish town game of his (Town Aint Big Mafia), I think it's entirely possible. Going to sleep on this, but that's where I'm at right now. If I shot Gonzaw, you would know. And no, I wouldn't do that as town. I shoot lurky/trollish people. Vig shots are for unreadables. Kurumi can attest to that in personality2 | ||
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yamato77
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I'll give you that it seems like an assassin kill, more than anything else, but you can't know for sure. You think it gives leverage to pushing your lynch, but that completely depends on general thread sentiment. What do you think was more likely, considering he was the most active person in pushing your lynch and was also fairly rigid in his belief? Do you think the wagon falling apart and town losing direction was more likely, or do you think me coming in and reaffirming the strength of the lynch is more likely? I have openly admitted that I was content not taking the lead, so why would mafia think that at all? To some extent, this is WIFOM on the kill, yes, but I'm fairly certain that keeping the lynch headed your way is a good thing. Mafia wanted to lead town astray by killing Gonzaw, but I'm not going to let it happen. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 17:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah, because killing the person who put a massive case on you doesn't get you even more attention. The basic level is that they figured out Gonzaw was a jack and that gonzaw is a strong town player. There is no more motivation needed, anything else is a bonus. Especially since I'm not actually scum and it gives a great argument to push my lynch home. The timing is convenient as well. Give gonzaw plenty of time to hammer his point through rather than immediately after his case to make sure it's still on everyone's mind. Come on Yamato, think critically here. Wifom at its best sir. Firstly. As I pointed out prior. To those role hunting. Gonzaw outted himself about 12hrs ago. Yes the reasons u listed are completely valid reasons to kill him. Its also possible they waited for an opportune time. U know. 2 birds 1 stone. But ultimately as yam pointed out. There is no way to ascertain when the kill order was given. So its all wifom. Hence ur point with timing is wifom. Simple take is. He dead and scum assassin confirmed in the game. Its a popular role, so could even surmise its in the top 8 picks. ....... P.s. I re read your filter. My thoughts haven't changed. And in hindsight, ur plan wasn't that pro town. U only wanted one or two ppl to RNG, at their liberty. And importantly, u even said it was only relevant if the yam plan got traction. Yeah u pushed it a couple times, but considering u were aware it success hinged upon the traction of something else. Its not even a good plan at face value. Lastly, in ur gonzaw defends. I'm having a very hard time believing u when u state u overplayed the geript case more than u felt it was worth. To me it felt like u were banking on it pretty hard. Second lastly, u said u was going to scum hunt. All I have seen is a large list post, nominating some as scummy. With zero followup or pressure. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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You're also forgetting that Gonzaw had a vig shot and he wasn't planning on using it on me. Now that's a far more likely for a shot. My lynch is unlikely to be prevented by a Gonzaw death, but his vig shot is certain to be nullified. | ||
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Mocsta
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Your conclusion is ur death won't be prevented. So why argue whether yam thinks u sscummier post gonzaw. Sounds to me like u trying to shit up the thread | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On April 08 2013 17:43 Mocsta wrote: Wifom at its best sir. Firstly. As I pointed out prior. To those role hunting. Gonzaw outted himself about 12hrs ago. Yes the reasons u listed are completely valid reasons to kill him. Its also possible they waited for an opportune time. U know. 2 birds 1 stone. But ultimately as yam pointed out. There is no way to ascertain when the kill order was given. So its all wifom. Hence ur point with timing is wifom. And the points against it are just as wifommy. I'm not saying his death makes me town. I'm saying it definitely doesn't make me scummier, perhaps even a slight bit townier for the part I just posted. Simple take is. He dead and scum assassin confirmed in the game. Its a popular role, so could even surmise its in the top 8 picks. I agree with that notion. P.s. I re read your filter. My thoughts haven't changed. And in hindsight, ur plan wasn't that pro town. U only wanted one or two ppl to RNG, at their liberty. Actually, that was at the start. Later I figured I wanted as many people as possible to claim to RNG. They wouldn't actually have to RNG, just to put that fear into scum's heads. It's a better plan than doing nothing for sure. And importantly, u even said it was only relevant if the yam plan got traction. Yeah u pushed it a couple times, but considering u were aware it success hinged upon the traction of something else. Its not even a good plan at face value. No I didn't, I said it was an objective improvement upon Yamato's plan, and a plan with no drawbacks. Later I campaigned for it saying there are no downsides for it and had a small argument about it with Rayn I believe. Lastly, in ur gonzaw defends. I'm having a very hard time believing u when u state u overplayed the geript case more than u felt it was worth. To me it felt like u were banking on it pretty hard. Read the Promethelax post I linked in my defense. Look at how I responded to it. I'm trying to learn from it, and I think I did so successfully since it made me go from leaning scum on him to leaning town due to said pressure. Second lastly, u said u was going to scum hunt. All I have seen is a large list post, nominating some as scummy. With zero followup or pressure. I was working on making a spreadsheet and diving through everyone's filter one by one but that took too much time so I decided to read up on everyone who had a vote today since I figured that was more important. My conclusions have been posted and the cases for those I found suspicious have already been made. | ||
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yamato77
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What's your read on Sinani? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On April 08 2013 17:48 Mocsta wrote: What's ya point artanis. Your conclusion is ur death won't be prevented. So why argue whether yam thinks u sscummier post gonzaw. Sounds to me like u trying to shit up the thread Because I think it's a bullshit reason and I'm calling people out for voting on me for bullshit reasons. Are you not interested in people jumping on my bandwagon, or is anyone that votes me automatically town? | ||
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Mocsta
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BTW, u dodged my query about pressure/follow up with ya scumspects. I don't care who u think is town or scum. I care how u go about scum hunting. | ||
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On April 08 2013 17:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because I think it's a bullshit reason and I'm calling people out for voting on me for bullshit reasons. Are you not interested in people jumping on my bandwagon, or is anyone that votes me automatically town? No. But yam is town regardless of voting u. Frankly I'm surprised u aren't reacting to bill Murray. That was a scummy as fuck vote if I seen one. Yet here u antagonise a player u know will bite back. Henceforth: shitting up the thread | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On April 08 2013 17:50 yamato77 wrote: Fine, let's talk about something else. What's your read on Sinani? Hadn't checked on him yet. Just browsed through his filter and it's dreadful. His only post that says anything is awful as well. On April 07 2013 14:48 sinani206 wrote: I first want to say that this thread is spammed up to almost the point of unreadable... This is not how Town wins games. Secondly, out of the current lynch candidates, here are my opinions: VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge. Keirathi: Null atm, nothing pointing him at being scum, but don't want to say definitely townie so soon. I just played in RTP with him and he seems to be playing rather similarly, so if I had to pick I'd say town. Restraining Order: Very difficult to read, so I'll wait to see more of him and on him. StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now. ##Vote: StrongandBig Why is he trying to be safe? It looks like he's trying hard to not call VE scum despite everything he typed prior to it leading up to it pointing towards wanting to call him scum, then calls him null in the end. Very questionable, and I'm curious to hear what he has to say about S&B since he's returned to the thread, something Sinani's conveniently ignored despite posting after S&B returned. He's just not bothered to comment on it altogether. Yeah I don't like Sinani at all. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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On April 08 2013 17:54 Mocsta wrote: I will come back to u later artanis when I have comp access. BTW, u dodged my query about pressure/follow up with ya scumspects. I don't care who u think is town or scum. I care how u go about scum hunting. I didn't. I said that I was working on a spreadsheet but it was costing me too much time which I didn't have, so I went for what I did instead. Even though they're "summaries" they came from digging into their filters. I reached my own conclusions. On April 08 2013 17:56 Mocsta wrote: No. But yam is town regardless of voting u. Frankly I'm surprised u aren't reacting to bill Murray. That was a scummy as fuck vote if I seen one. Yet here u antagonise a player u know will bite back. Henceforth: shitting up the thread No one is confirmed town, stop being dumb. Reads change all the time. I'm reacting to people who are in the thread right now and things I find suspicious about them. | ||
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yamato77
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Has anything changed from earlier, with Shelvocke and VE being on your radar? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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yamato77
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I may want to take this lynch in a different direction, and Sinani seems like a good one. BRB, case. | ||
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yamato77
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On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote: gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is? This post alone is enough for me, actually. ##Vote Sinani | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 18:13 yamato77 wrote: This post alone is enough for me, actually. ##Vote Sinani Because you think an scum assassin is that stupid to either implicate themselves as assassin; or themselves as scum hunting for team assassin? Im disapointed how easily you have been swayed off Artanis. This whole exchange has resulted in logic changes too quickly for my liking. I dont really give a fuck whether his reads are synonymous with yours; because what he espoused was a rehash of I believe Keirathi. Someone already specifically highlighted the "safe" text. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 08 2013 18:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Shelvocke is still my top priority. This puts me in a quandry; I can't see scum leading a bandwagon on another scum. Artanis, are you going to be online in 4 to 5 hrs time? | ||
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