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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:51 Palmar wrote: also I'm not sure we should back off artanis. Gonzaw made a pretty good case against him and paid with his life. The least we can do is make sure we don't let the mafia change our minds. I'm going to have to be very convinced artanis is town before I back off this. Thats an interesting comment. By mafia: do you infer due to the actions of gonzaw death Or do you infer, the words out of Artanis mouth? ================ You asked me for 2 names before to give opinions on. I would like to add a 3rd name. Please give me thoughts on Restraining Order. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:56 Palmar wrote: Caller knows what's up. Caller do you have nukes? Can you just force everyone to claim? with or without nukes i can force people to claim artanis this is your last chance to claim, if you don't claim in the next, lets say 6 hours, even if you claim afterwards we're still lynching you. | ||
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Vivax
21686 Posts
RO either doesn't read or uses a WIFOM argument on a wrong base without considering all other options. This is how gonzaw wanted to use his role initially: I still don't get what makes Shevlocke scummier than Artanis.....like..did I miss a scumslip or something >_> I mean, I get how someone can think of him as scum.....but I'm missing how Artanis looks better than him, and I'm missing that "he's definitely scum" way I feel about scum :/ I will say that the more Shevlocke fails to appear and contribute, the more I feel like I could shoot him as well. I'm torn between sno and shevlocke (although Shevlocke is more of a "yeah he could be scum, but I'm not sure if he should be a lynch (because of stuff explained before); maybe straight up killing him outside of lynch would be better"), leaning on sno. So if you gotta ride the WIFOM-train, putting it all onto Artanis is scummy as shit. See RO for details. I want to lynch into RO, Sno, maybe Shelvocke, but need to get to a conclusion first, I found him kinda scummy earlier on. Sinani also looks bad. This is a big game, scum can hide, everyone having their eyes on the most active dudes should think twice about lynching them. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
Please give me thought on below On April 08 2013 22:49 Mocsta wrote: (1) RO was the person who introduced the concept of VT claiming. In more detail: it was claim what role you tried for, if you became a VT. - the idea was to determine scum power roles. With hindsight (i.e. assassin in the mix): Does this alter your perception of RO? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 22:49 Mocsta wrote: Artanis[Xp] Lets put the past behind us, and have a fresh start. The questions I wanted to ask prior, for whatever, I dont want to ask anymore. So hopefully these ones are still of value. (1) RO was the person who introduced the concept of VT claiming. In more detail: it was claim what role you tried for, if you became a VT. - the idea was to determine scum power roles. With hindsight (i.e. assassin in the mix): Does this alter your perception of RO? It's a meritious point. Finding out which roles are in the game will help scum figure out the game more easily and use the assassin role properly. An additional point supporting this hypothesis is that DI has claimed that scum would probably get a rolecop with the role, whereas I see many options available for them not to pick a rolecop with this setup. It would only really aid their assassin and it's likely that roles will get outed at some point. His conclusion is premature and potentially damning considering this and the fact that he was so willing to sheep people to avoid responsibility. (1 Corollary) I supported RO idea of forced VTs(At the time) Does this affect your opinion of me? I would consider your support to be potentially scum motivated, but on its own it doesn't say much as it helps both town and scum to figure out the game. There have been other posts by you that I have found questionable, but your overall game has been town oriented to me. You seem to be willing to figure the game out and you could've easily wagoned on me and no one would've found it suspicious. (2) You posted prior that you like a Sinani lynch. Is this a lurker "stab in the dark" lynch; or do you think there is enough content in the filter to warrant a justified scum lynch? I've thought about it and I don't like a Sinani lynch at this moment. I'd prefer a vig shot rather than wasting time discussing him since he seems to not be willing to provide any information that would help to find out his alignment. (3) Is your Vivax town read founded purely on that you expect him to be disruptive; but he isnt? Hence, are you applying Vivax specific heuristics - is this the case? Are you familiar enough with Vivax to even consider having specific heuristics? Yes. I've played with Vivax in British Empire Mini Mafia II in which he was abrasive and in your face all the time. I've played with him in Fruity as well in which he was the same way. This is something I'm sure he's done in scum games as well, and the fact that he's refraining from it leads me to believe he's town. I don't think he would change his gameplay in this way if he weren't.His meta has changed in a way that feels more townie than scummy to me. (4) Blanket question. 5 scum. At least one typically will have an active-ish presence. With the current game situation: Where do you prefer to look for first scum lynch. The 3-4 typical lurkers/blenders? Or the 1-2 actives trying to get influence? I'm looking to kill the person whom I'm most certain of is scum, which is Shevlocke. Whoever is my strongest scumread is the person I'm looking to lynch. A scumteam is made up of the people that happen to be in it. Some teams don't have leaders. If it's RNGed (I don't know if Bloody RNGs his setups or not) then it could be anything from 5 lurkers to 5 town leaders. I'd rather not think about this setup wise, but look at who's acting the scummiest. That's Shevlocke for reasons I've mentioned before. (5) Can you please reconfirm who your #1 scumspect is. You have identified several as scummy; but it isnt clear, who you would bank on. Shevlocke is the person I want lynched this day. I believe I've made that clear. | ||
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Vivax
21686 Posts
I'm also considering VE for lynch currently, I didn't see anything of what he promised so far, and his pushes are less than half-assed. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:13 Caller wrote: oh artanis is here. very well claim in the next 30 minutes. or else. Threats aren't going to make me do something I consider anti town, even if it makes other people do something anti town. That's just retarded. I've already said why not. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Threats aren't going to make me do something I consider anti town, even if it makes other people do something anti town. That's just retarded. I've already said why not. artanis how is it "anti-town" you're going to die right now. and i'm not even voting for you. you might as well claim. we'll find your role on role-reveal anyways. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:16 Caller wrote: artanis how is it "anti-town" you're going to die right now. and i'm not even voting for you. you might as well claim. we'll find your role on role-reveal anyways. I already told you how it's anti town and I don't think I'm going to get lynched today because there are still townies that are willing to read my posts and actually consider that I might be, you know, town. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I already told you how it's anti town and I don't think I'm going to get lynched today because there are still townies that are willing to read my posts and actually consider that I might be, you know, town. Very well. I will give you 26 minutes to claim your role or else I will seal your fate. Personally. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
IMO we should be lynching VE. For a scum that high up to take NRA member instead of some active KP role, they would have to think of themselves as a likely check or other night action target. It doesn't make sense just to have a lurker take it and hope to get vigged instead of lynched. VE is the only one of the list above geript who is a likely check or vig target but not a likely early lynch. Plus, if you look at his play it's like he's trying to draw vig shots or dt checks. He is most likely the scum NRA member. Plus unlike artanis or shelvocke, if he is the NRA member then there's no hope for investigative roles to clear up the questions about him. IMO we should lynch ve. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Also if Caller goes wild wild west on me please lynch him after I flip. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:20 strongandbig wrote: VE is the only one of the list above geript who is a likely check or vig target but not a likely early lynch. Plus, if you look at his play it's like he's trying to draw vig shots or dt checks. He is most likely the scum NRA member.. I agree with this. I also have been liking Artanis recent relpies, they are a lot more well thought out. Im not sure if I consider Artanis town yet; but Im willing to prioritise VE. ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm good with a VE lynch as well snb. Also if Caller goes wild wild west on me please lynch him after I flip. you think i'm scared of a lynch? lol i'd get a move on if i were you though. Please claim. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:28 Caller wrote: you think i'm scared of a lynch? lol i'd get a move on if i were you though. Please claim. No, I'm just ensuring it's a one for one trade because only scum would be retarded enough to go through with a shot. | ||
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Vivax
21686 Posts
I will admit that geript's claim was useful though. But that's a special case. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:37 Caller wrote: thats nice vivax. artanis you have 8 minutes. and what is his claim going to prove? | ||
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