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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:02 GMT
#1721
On April 08 2013 23:58 Ghor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn

i saw your vote for VE.

Lay it out for me hunny

I forgot to vote him earlier in the actual voting thread. I think he is really unproductive and before the game started (during picking/drafing phase) he had really bad ideas that couldn't work. He's not doing anything and with the NRA thing on the table it makes him even more scummy because i know at least i am not the NRA guy.

I don't want to lynch Artanis, i don't think he is scummy. He didn't push his idea to the fullest but noone who were giving out ideas didn't do it. It was really obvious no idea was going to work because ~3/4 of the players straight out refused to contribute anything on the ideas.


Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters.

who are you?
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22268 Posts
April 08 2013 15:02 GMT
#1722
Artanis let's talk reads, why should we be lynching Shelvocke over Sno_man?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 08 2013 15:04 GMT
#1723
On April 08 2013 23:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Caller is speaking the truth, I'm dead and the only two ways that could happen are a nuke (but it wouldn't make too much sense since his initial deadline was past the 12 hour requirement) or Showtime!. In this case, day ends, I flip green and we lynch Caller the next day.
If Caller is lying, he's managed to derail the thread talking about things that don't matter for shit and won't give us any reads whereas there was a constructive town atmosphere before then. I see no reason why a town player would do so but plenty of reason for scum to do so. Thus, we lynch Caller today.
Or he's an extractor and is forcing you to claim, and thinks that you are scum and will have picked a role that makes you almost certainly scum.

Or he's lying and NOT derailing the thread. Caller's made a number of posts that show his mindset this game, he's specifically stated that everything is a trap, and he might be trying to force a claim out of you just because, and then see whether or not he believes it.

Until something HAPPENS, Caller's posts shouldn't be derailing the thread. If anything comes of it, then we've got something to discuss re: whatever Caller's been doing. Until then, people shouldn't be so concerned with what he might or might not be doing. Either he does something or he doesn't, and we look at what happens then.
Fe fi fo fum.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:05 GMT
#1724
trust me when i say this. artanis is dead, he just doesn't know it yet.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22268 Posts
April 08 2013 15:05 GMT
#1725
On April 09 2013 00:02 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:58 Ghor wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn

i saw your vote for VE.

Lay it out for me hunny

I forgot to vote him earlier in the actual voting thread. I think he is really unproductive and before the game started (during picking/drafing phase) he had really bad ideas that couldn't work. He's not doing anything and with the NRA thing on the table it makes him even more scummy because i know at least i am not the NRA guy.

I don't want to lynch Artanis, i don't think he is scummy. He didn't push his idea to the fullest but noone who were giving out ideas didn't do it. It was really obvious no idea was going to work because ~3/4 of the players straight out refused to contribute anything on the ideas.


Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters.

Nope

VE lynched today.. hes basically unkillable day or night (if NRA.. which as SnB pointed out seems likely based on his playstyle of trying to draw that attention)


That is too speculative at this stage. Use orthodox arguments please. We don't know if he has NRA, we don't know if geript's claim is true, we don't know why he doesn't post much (he's not posting much either in a parallel game).

I don't like how VE is playing but he's not the first guy I'd lynch today I think. RO, Sinani and Sno are my favourite targets.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22268 Posts
April 08 2013 15:07 GMT
#1726
And Caller if he isn't bluffing and Artanis flips green.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 08 2013 15:07 GMT
#1727
On April 09 2013 00:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 08 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn

i saw your vote for VE.

Lay it out for me hunny

I forgot to vote him earlier in the actual voting thread. I think he is really unproductive and before the game started (during picking/drafing phase) he had really bad ideas that couldn't work. He's not doing anything and with the NRA thing on the table it makes him even more scummy because i know at least i am not the NRA guy.

I don't want to lynch Artanis, i don't think he is scummy. He didn't push his idea to the fullest but noone who were giving out ideas didn't do it. It was really obvious no idea was going to work because ~3/4 of the players straight out refused to contribute anything on the ideas.


Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters.

I don't know if Caller actually shot him because there is nothing that implies so at least yet.

And no, i will not lynch Caller if he shot Artanis and he flips green.
table for two on a tv tray
Restraining Order
Profile Joined February 2013
Qatar276 Posts
April 08 2013 15:07 GMT
#1728
On April 08 2013 23:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Caller is speaking the truth, I'm dead and the only two ways that could happen are a nuke (but it wouldn't make too much sense since his initial deadline was past the 12 hour requirement) or Showtime!. In this case, day ends, I flip green and we lynch Caller the next day.

Why, exactly?
Let's say he's showtime and you flip green, okay.

Why would caller kill you, apparantly an easy mislynch anyways, with a one-shot instantlynch that's invaluable in LYLO, and on top of that, anonymous. And claim it in the process.
How is this more likely to be scum motivated? I don't see it.
COULD it be? Yeah I guess, but I'm not feeling it.

I'll refer to yamato's kurumi shot in personality. Basically the same situation.

On April 08 2013 23:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Caller is lying, he's managed to derail the thread talking about things that don't matter for shit and won't give us any reads whereas there was a constructive town atmosphere before then. I see no reason why a town player would do so but plenty of reason for scum to do so. Thus, we lynch Caller today.

I'd tentatively agree on this part.
Don't let me stop you.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 15:09 GMT
#1729
The Kurumi kill is nothing alike at all DI/RO

This is a whole bunch of terrible posts from you in a row.

He begged to be killed.. i dont see artanis doing that.

very poor assertion here.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 08 2013 15:10 GMT
#1730
Never mind,

I like Vivax and Artanis
(WOOHOO 180!!)

Artanis' latest posts have made A LOT of sense, and he doesnt seem to be too concerned about Callers deadline thing.

So on to Vivax.
With Artanis basically vouching for Vivax, again the meta seems to show the score. Vivax is playing a lot calmer and like Ghor, rather than Vivax of LX. Also useful thought and input make him town.


On to the scummy dudes.
VE.
Promises. Lotsa promises. NOTHING EVER CAME THROUGH. Mocsta pointed out some stuff about the piggybacking of some plan and never doing anything about it. Or after it.
Town VE is NOT a low impact player. This VE however, is a lurker and has not made any splashes. I suggest we lynch him.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 08 2013 15:12 GMT
#1731
Artanis flipping red MEANS NOTHING about caller's alignment.

If he has an anonymous vig/kp, why Artanis? Why not other dudes that are better at town? (hehe artanis you are not the best )
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 08 2013 15:12 GMT
#1732
EBWOP: Artanis flipping green. duh.
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22268 Posts
April 08 2013 15:12 GMT
#1733
Well for what it's worth, Rayn, you never gave a fuck about Artanis up to this point, so if anything you spitting out a townread in this situation just makes you look worse and seeking for cred. If you really thought Artanis was town you'd not be that careless about Caller's shot.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 08 2013 15:13 GMT
#1734
inb4 oatsmaster scumslip
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Restraining Order
Profile Joined February 2013
Qatar276 Posts
April 08 2013 15:15 GMT
#1735
On April 08 2013 22:23 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 21:56 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 08 2013 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I still want to lynch Artanis, more than ever. Fuck the stupid wifom defenses some of you guys come up with.

Solid case bro. Tell me, if you were in a scumteam would you need more than the reasons I underlined to shoot someone? Really?

It's not about NEEDING more. But if there ARE more, a mafiateam would gladly take it. In the end, this is a horrible point.
I understand why you want to argue it, since it goes against you strongly, but that doesn't make it a good one by any stretch. Au contraire.

DI, I much preferred your posting before you smurf was revealed. It reads now like you have defaulted back to normal DI.
Which is a shame.

Can we stop this line of discussion. Its all WIFOM.
We dont know when the kill order was submitted; so its pointless continuing this.
Traditional scum hunting *will* bear better results.

Show nested quote +
Let's talk about who you want to lynch instead of yourself.
You only defending yourself, it's getting boring.
Why are you not pushing Shelvocke hardcore yet?
I believe the reasoning for Artanis vote from you solely, was ##Sheep

Prior to that, you said you agree with Geript that VE is scum; and that you would be happy to shoot Sn0_Man.

Walk me through why you are more adamant that Artanis needs to go since the assassination

I have not defaulted to anything.
I am not roleplaying anybody, and I have not been.
The only thing that has changed is indeed your perception of my posts, and guess what, this is exactly why I decided to smurf. Look at how annoying/bad Vivax is being all this time? Ya.

It's WIFOM that people decided to BACK OFF Artanis for. Which makes no sense. So yeah, I pushed him harder because it looked to me like a stupid excuse for mafia to derail his lynch wagon. People were starting to back off for (imo) nothing, and I didn't like it at all.
Don't let me stop you.
Restraining Order
Profile Joined February 2013
Qatar276 Posts
April 08 2013 15:18 GMT
#1736
On April 09 2013 00:09 Mocsta wrote:
The Kurumi kill is nothing alike at all DI/RO

This is a whole bunch of terrible posts from you in a row.

He begged to be killed.. i dont see artanis doing that.

very poor assertion here.

You are becoming a Vivax.
It's really sad to see how many people decide to be Vivaxes.
Don't let me stop you.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
April 08 2013 15:19 GMT
#1737
On April 09 2013 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Artanis let's talk reads, why should we be lynching Shelvocke over Sno_man?

Sn0_Man is afk. Shelvocke is part afk part horrendous filter. I'd rather go for the second.
On April 09 2013 00:04 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Caller is speaking the truth, I'm dead and the only two ways that could happen are a nuke (but it wouldn't make too much sense since his initial deadline was past the 12 hour requirement) or Showtime!. In this case, day ends, I flip green and we lynch Caller the next day.
If Caller is lying, he's managed to derail the thread talking about things that don't matter for shit and won't give us any reads whereas there was a constructive town atmosphere before then. I see no reason why a town player would do so but plenty of reason for scum to do so. Thus, we lynch Caller today.
Or he's an extractor and is forcing you to claim, and thinks that you are scum and will have picked a role that makes you almost certainly scum.

In which case you'll see it in the thread in the near future. I doubt it, though, as he said I was dead. I expect he'd have used a different way to formulate if this was his role.

Or he's lying and NOT derailing the thread. Caller's made a number of posts that show his mindset this game, he's specifically stated that everything is a trap, and he might be trying to force a claim out of you just because, and then see whether or not he believes it.

But he IS derailing the thread, look at what's happened. He continues to antagonize the same tired refrain with each post after I've long indicated I have no intention of roleclaiming.

Until something HAPPENS, Caller's posts shouldn't be derailing the thread. If anything comes of it, then we've got something to discuss re: whatever Caller's been doing. Until then, people shouldn't be so concerned with what he might or might not be doing. Either he does something or he doesn't, and we look at what happens then.

Caller's actions strike me as very anti-town, more so than any other player in the game, thus I would like to see him lynched. I'd still be interested in seeing Shevlocke and VE lynched.

On April 09 2013 00:07 Restraining Order wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 23:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Caller is speaking the truth, I'm dead and the only two ways that could happen are a nuke (but it wouldn't make too much sense since his initial deadline was past the 12 hour requirement) or Showtime!. In this case, day ends, I flip green and we lynch Caller the next day.

Why, exactly?
Let's say he's showtime and you flip green, okay.

Why would caller kill you, apparantly an easy mislynch anyways, with a one-shot instantlynch that's invaluable in LYLO, and on top of that, anonymous. And claim it in the process.
How is this more likely to be scum motivated? I don't see it.
COULD it be? Yeah I guess, but I'm not feeling it.

I'll refer to yamato's kurumi shot in personality. Basically the same situation.

Because he can likely get away with it given the sentiment against me. Yes, it'd be invaluable at LYLO, but caller hasn't exactly been playing a game that'll get him a lot of town cred. Saving it until LYLO is a bigger gamble than this might be. Still, good reasoning and it's got me second guessing myself and wondering if I'm not falling into OMGUS.
Fuck it, I'm going to catch up on Game of Thrones and Vikings, have dinner and see if I'm still alive after that.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
April 08 2013 15:20 GMT
#1738
On April 09 2013 00:18 Restraining Order wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 00:09 Mocsta wrote:
The Kurumi kill is nothing alike at all DI/RO

This is a whole bunch of terrible posts from you in a row.

He begged to be killed.. i dont see artanis doing that.

very poor assertion here.

You are becoming a Vivax.
It's really sad to see how many people decide to be Vivaxes.

Nope.

Your comment was incorrect; and miscontrued a point.

Artanis is nothing like the Kurumi in personality
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 08 2013 15:21 GMT
#1739
Anti town players dont flip scum. Like ever. The most recent example is MAYBE BH in THE GAME, but he wasnt anti town, just really spammy.
RO, why is artanis' posting NOW scummy?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 08 2013 15:22 GMT
#1740
On April 09 2013 00:20 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 00:18 Restraining Order wrote:
On April 09 2013 00:09 Mocsta wrote:
The Kurumi kill is nothing alike at all DI/RO

This is a whole bunch of terrible posts from you in a row.

He begged to be killed.. i dont see artanis doing that.

very poor assertion here.

You are becoming a Vivax.
It's really sad to see how many people decide to be Vivaxes.

Nope.

Your comment was incorrect; and miscontrued a point.

Artanis is nothing like the Kurumi in personality

Yeah yeah let go of it.

The point RO was making was
Anonymous Vig, makes A LOT OF NOISE before his shot on a scummy player. Is not likely to be scum.

Nothing to do with kurumi or artanis.
No gg, No skill.
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