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Ok, I can absolutely get behind a Wiggles lynch after reading that filter.
The way he keeps promising future reads, saying he needs to read more, that he is waiting on players to post. He kept delaying and delaying and still never gave comprehensive reads. I find the way he interacts with with BH/TPS/GK to also be pretty suspicious. Early on he throws a lot of pressure GK's way. After the game has been going for a little while he starts giving opinions on TPS and GK that sound like hedging. He moderates his stances on both TPS and GK such that his options are more open and he isn't directly disagreeing with BH. It reads to me very much like he knew the actual situation as BH was pressuring and didn't want to sabotage what BH was doing. This is me extrapolating from the sense that Wiggles seems to be walking a very careful line between BH/TPS/GK.
I feel pretty strongly right now that Wiggles is scum, and that is where my vote is going.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles
PS. The next 2 I'm looking into are DP and glurio.
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On March 23 2013 06:29 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that mason targets are town. Faking logs seems like more trouble than it's worth...unless anyone can give me a compelling argument? They don't have to be fake, they could just had conversation in another QT. Who he masoned is WIFOM at best.
Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 05:50 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him. You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all" I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah? Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before. BH wasn't hard to identify. He was obviously just trying to spam to get in town's way and not trying to make any arguments about his scum reads other than "I SAID THEY'RE SCUM AND I'M BH".
Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?
Why does everyone think Coag is town? I see zero evidence to support that. I was honestly afraid I was gonna get shit for not shooting him last night even though I hit scum.
Mark my words. You will be very happy you didnt shoot me.
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On March 23 2013 06:29 DoYouHas wrote:
Ok, I can absolutely get behind a Wiggles lynch after reading that filter.
The way he keeps promising future reads, saying he needs to read more, that he is waiting on players to post. He kept delaying and delaying and still never gave comprehensive reads. I find the way he interacts with with BH/TPS/GK to also be pretty suspicious. Early on he throws a lot of pressure GK's way. After the game has been going for a little while he starts giving opinions on TPS and GK that sound like hedging. He moderates his stances on both TPS and GK such that his options are more open and he isn't directly disagreeing with BH. It reads to me very much like he knew the actual situation as BH was pressuring and didn't want to sabotage what BH was doing. This is me extrapolating from the sense that Wiggles seems to be walking a very careful line between BH/TPS/GK.
I feel pretty strongly right now that Wiggles is scum, and that is where my vote is going.
Vote: Mr. Wiggles
PS. The next 2 I'm looking into are DP and glurio.
I'm gonna request that you prioritize Ryu over glurio if you haven't looked into him yet. He literally lied to me about his sandroba read when I called him out on it earlier and just as my BH case came out he came hard with the discrediting. I'm pretty sure he's scum.
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On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?
This is a good start imo; I am definitely in favour of a Wiggles lynch today as you know.
Let's dive in a little bit though, shall we? I had a strong town read on DP, and I'm null on zare. Why do you feel they are both scum?
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I am definitely taking another look at Ryu today, I just am woefully ignorant of glurio's filter. That is why I picked it.
VE, what are your thoughts on DP? You agreed in day1(maybe N1) that your initial case on him was bad. Has he stayed on your radar or have you avoided him?
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ninjaed twice by WoS in the space of like an hour T.T
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This is what I'm referring to with the sandroba read.
On March 19 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response? ##FoS Ryu
On March 19 2013 05:34 RyuSuzaku wrote:-snip- Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba On March 17 2013 04:32 RyuSuzaku wrote:
although it is very suspicious that after being called out by sandroba, greymist made a simple and weak question and then chose not to address sandroba's accusation.
Is sandroba's accusation not worthy of a response?
Greymist was clearly around after, since he corrected the host just a while ago. Both of these quotes came from the guy who wrote the "super convincing case" against GreYMisT. I find this to be highly suspicious - at first he thinks they could both be scum, sandroba has done nothing between these posts, and suddenly sandroba is town worthy of a response? ##FoS Ryu I never assumed sandro to be town nor did I ever strongly feel him to be scum. I voted him to begin with to pressure him into explaining his reads. He obviously never did because he was afk the entire time. I ignored him after the replacement was announced. IIRC this was before the replacement was announced. I simply was surprised that a player would ignore sandro's accusation, given that he is widely accepted to be a very good town player. I misinterpreted the situation. Why are you cherry picking me? Are you scum?
Which is clearly not the case because in addition to actually VOTE the guy, he also had this to say.
On March 17 2013 22:57 RyuSuzaku wrote:
man, Wade Fell and VE are so damn annoying. There were a full 2 pages of nothing but useless one liners. I think you both are scaring off posters and it's troublesome.
sandroba hasn't responded to my vote nor has he done anything since his initial comments. I think he has a very good likelihood of being scum because of this. I'd expect him to at least do something in the meantime, but he's simply lurking. While greymist is still a bit suspicious, he at the very least seems to have put in some effort toward finding scum. His target is not very great IMO, but at the very least he is not still lurking.
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On March 23 2013 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
I am definitely taking another look at Ryu today, I just am woefully ignorant of glurio's filter. That is why I picked it.
VE, what are your thoughts on DP? You agreed in day1(maybe N1) that your initial case on him was bad. Has he stayed on your radar or have you avoided him?
He still hasn't done anything that screams town to me. He's doing a good job of at least OMGUSing engaging people who are suspicious of them, but beyond that there isn't much that indicates scumhunting. Which is odd considering his intimate interaction with the Ace lynch.
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On March 23 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
I am definitely taking another look at Ryu today, I just am woefully ignorant of glurio's filter. That is why I picked it.
VE, what are your thoughts on DP? You agreed in day1(maybe N1) that your initial case on him was bad. Has he stayed on your radar or have you avoided him? He still hasn't done anything that screams town to me. He's doing a good job of at least OMGUSing engaging people who are suspicious of them, but beyond that there isn't much that indicates scumhunting. Which is odd considering his intimate interaction with the Ace lynch.
What is making DP stick out to me (and why I need to look into him more) is that I'm getting a disconnect from when I played with him in Witchcraft. I was scum and he was town. In Witchcraft he was still abrasive, but he was also constructive. By the end of day1 he had established himself as townie, second only to Hapa. I wasn't the only one who felt like that either, in Witchcraft people voted in town power roles, we killed DP because it was clear that the town sentiment leaned towards him being town enough that we were comfortable shooting him with a silver bullet (we were right, he died). I have not seen that active, pro-town DP from Witchcraft this game. I encourage you to take a look at that game.
Also, he has 9 pages of filter and I feel like I know very little about where he stands. Maybe that is just me being inattentive, but it might be a signal that he is flying under the radar.
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Well to be fair he just came in and was all "Aw man all my scumreads are dead BAH"
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On March 23 2013 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well to be fair he just came in and was all "Aw man all my scumreads are dead BAH"
Townreads, but yeah, I get your point. Do you have any intention of looking into his Witchcraft play?
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I do. I'm actually reading right now.
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It's hard to compare, mainly because he was under attack early on and was in defensive mode...and he similarly has really only been in defensive mode this game. Not that it looks similar because I agree that it doesn't - in that game he seemed more inclined to defend himself rather than just automatically accuse his accuser, thought it might be because it was Hapa attacking him (someone you say was town by sentiment) so it's hard to say for me. :/
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He certainly stepped up into a semi-leadership position by the end of the day which is COMPLETELY lacking in this game, but again, this one is a larger game with more vets so it's hard to compare.
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I'm actually starting to realize why I had read him as town in day1 going through his filter again. I'll give more complete thoughts in a bit.
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Yeah... I'm pretty confident that DP is actually town. Unlike Wiggles, DP actually looks better for the BH flip. He has more than a few interactions with BH that seem very genuine. The way he defends himself is solid, the way he pursued his WoS suspicion but then is ready to drop it after WoS's claim. The way he interacted with Scib and went after layabout. Everything reads pretty townie.
@Kenpachi - What are your reasons for having DP as one of your top scum reads?
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On March 23 2013 08:10 DoYouHas wrote:
Yeah... I'm pretty confident that DP is actually town. Unlike Wiggles, DP actually looks better for the BH flip. He has more than a few interactions with BH that seem very genuine. The way he defends himself is solid, the way he pursued his WoS suspicion but then is ready to drop it after WoS's claim. The way he interacted with Scib and went after layabout. Everything reads pretty townie.
@Kenpachi - What are your reasons for having DP as one of your top scum reads?
Yup still waiting on that.
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kitaman27
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Cool nice vig shot. Flipping the first scum is always the toughest. Hopefully we can get things rolling now.
Just spent an 45 minutes going through his filter. BH so spammy -_-
I think TestSubject, VE, greipt, and TPS all come off looking townie based on the interactions he had with them in the thread, although I don't think these guys would be in the discussion as mafia anytime soon anyways. He references Wiggles several times how he is suspicious of him and will potentially write a case against him, but it never happens. Rather than pushing wiggles as mafia last night cycle, he attacks the players that sided with Wiggle's Ace case, VE in particular. Something to note is that even though Wiggles was one of his main reads, he never actually voted for him...bouncing between TestSubject and VE.
##Vote Mr. Wiggles
I'm planning on working on the Personality Mafia writeup tonight, which I imagine will take me a while. If it takes less than a couple of hours, I'll start looking into the remaining mafia suspects, otherwise I'll get to that tomorrow.
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On March 23 2013 05:18 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 02:34 cosmicomics wrote:On March 22 2013 17:26 DoYouHas wrote:
It should be noted that in my mind the lynching objectives of the 3p, if it exists, should be the same as the towns, given how horrendously fast we are losing this. Because of this I consider VE off the table for today.
What is this? I think it is reasonable to assume that if there is a third party, their win condition would require them to prolong this game. If we keep mislynching, the game ends quickly, the 3rd party doesn't have sufficient time to recruit, less likely they will win. Therefore, I think if there is a 3rd party, their win condition and towns currently line up and so lynching into suspected third party would be a bad idea. What are your thoughts/reads on Geript, DP, and Ryu?
Ah. It just threw me off because you were (I think) the first one who suggested that the Mirror was scum.
I have reasonable town on geript for this post.
On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote:
geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet?
This is a loaded question that comes really early on in the game. How is it loaded? Either geript would have to advocate an rng lynch on zarepath, rng someone else (which is what he tried to do) or stop rng. Not too hard as scum can punish him for any of these options.
On March 16 2013 16:42 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote:
geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? Yeah I really like this actually. What Gives? There's no reasonable reason for him NOT to vote zarepath other than that he's protecting his scumbuddy
Yea here it is in action. What's his alternative? Continue with the RNG and vote zarepath. Not that hard to call geript scum for that either. Given how early in the day this was (like less than an hour?), I don't think Wade Fell decided to pick apart his scum buddy and soft accuse him of being scum (notice he gives the reasoning but doesn't actually call him scum).
Going off of that is DarthPunk
On March 18 2013 10:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? NO you are scummy for sheeping a bad case on me which relied on turning an obvious pressure vote in this very first hour of the game into something more. And then trying to lynch me for it. When it was plain for all to see it was a start of the game pressure vote and nothing more. DESPITE me being wrong about the tarot thing.
For DarthPunk to be town, he must be a very stubborn player. That is the only way to reconcile his attitude / posting with townie motivation. So is this town stubborn or scum stubborn? Need to look at other bodies of evidence.
His stance on VisceraEyes is really strange. D1 he tried to get him lynched, and also well into D2 but at the end of the day VisceraEyes becomes his least liked wagon. What is disconcerting is that he puts me as a top lynch preference even though I was one of the main proponents of the VisceraEyes wagon. Very strange. Possibly because he is stubborn?
I'm on the other side of the fence concerning this post:
On March 23 2013 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi guys. I am pretty frustrated with the way I am playing. I was wrong about goodkarma and now I need to go back and figure out why. All my town reads are dead, with the exception of Viscera Eyes who now cannot be scum IMO.
I am about to leave I have 2 weddings to go to today. When I get home I'll dig through filters and try and figure out what is going on.
So first, if he meant to type "town reads" it would make no sense because that is what usually happens at night. Scum shoot town players and so it's to be expected that your town reads may die. That is a terrible excuse to reconstruct reads.
However, town players can make typos too: the second clause indicates that he might have meant "scum reads". He had goodkarma as scum, and maybe Vivax as scum too, and having the carpet pulled under you like that is a good reason to reconstruct reads.
I still have to do some (meta) research to figure out if he is OMGUS stubborn type town. Neutral (not null) until I can do more homework as his play (I think) can be adequately explained by scum motivations or stubborn OMGUSing townie.
RyuSuzaku
To be honest I haven't paid too much attention on him either.
Glancing at his filter he had basically the same perspective as me with the VisceraEyes ordeal, and so I think his posts after the night kills will serve as strong indicators if he was honestly mistaken or just pretending to be.
I.e. I need to do some homework on him too.
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On March 23 2013 10:39 cosmicomics wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2013 05:18 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 02:34 cosmicomics wrote:On March 22 2013 17:26 DoYouHas wrote:
It should be noted that in my mind the lynching objectives of the 3p, if it exists, should be the same as the towns, given how horrendously fast we are losing this. Because of this I consider VE off the table for today.
What is this? I think it is reasonable to assume that if there is a third party, their win condition would require them to prolong this game. If we keep mislynching, the game ends quickly, the 3rd party doesn't have sufficient time to recruit, less likely they will win. Therefore, I think if there is a 3rd party, their win condition and towns currently line up and so lynching into suspected third party would be a bad idea. What are your thoughts/reads on Geript, DP, and Ryu? Ah. It just threw me off because you were (I think) the first one who suggested that the Mirror was scum.
I have reasonable town on geript for this post. On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote:
geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? This is a loaded question that comes really early on in the game. How is it loaded? Either geript would have to advocate an rng lynch on zarepath, rng someone else (which is what he tried to do) or stop rng. Not too hard as scum can punish him for any of these options. On March 16 2013 16:42 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote:
geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? Yeah I really like this actually. What Gives? There's no reasonable reason for him NOT to vote zarepath other than that he's protecting his scumbuddy Yea here it is in action. What's his alternative? Continue with the RNG and vote zarepath. Not that hard to call geript scum for that either. Given how early in the day this was (like less than an hour?), I don't think Wade Fell decided to pick apart his scum buddy and soft accuse him of being scum (notice he gives the reasoning but doesn't actually call him scum).
Going off of that is DarthPunk On March 18 2013 10:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? NO you are scummy for sheeping a bad case on me which relied on turning an obvious pressure vote in this very first hour of the game into something more. And then trying to lynch me for it. When it was plain for all to see it was a start of the game pressure vote and nothing more. DESPITE me being wrong about the tarot thing. For DarthPunk to be town, he must be a very stubborn player. That is the only way to reconcile his attitude / posting with townie motivation. So is this town stubborn or scum stubborn? Need to look at other bodies of evidence. His stance on VisceraEyes is really strange. D1 he tried to get him lynched, and also well into D2 but at the end of the day VisceraEyes becomes his least liked wagon. What is disconcerting is that he puts me as a top lynch preference even though I was one of the main proponents of the VisceraEyes wagon. Very strange. Possibly because he is stubborn? I'm on the other side of the fence concerning this post: On March 23 2013 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi guys. I am pretty frustrated with the way I am playing. I was wrong about goodkarma and now I need to go back and figure out why. All my town reads are dead, with the exception of Viscera Eyes who now cannot be scum IMO.
I am about to leave I have 2 weddings to go to today. When I get home I'll dig through filters and try and figure out what is going on. So first, if he meant to type "town reads" it would make no sense because that is what usually happens at night. Scum shoot town players and so it's to be expected that your town reads may die. That is a terrible excuse to reconstruct reads. However, town players can make typos too: the second clause indicates that he might have meant "scum reads". He had goodkarma as scum, and maybe Vivax as scum too, and having the carpet pulled under you like that is a good reason to reconstruct reads. I still have to do some (meta) research to figure out if he is OMGUS stubborn type town. Neutral (not null) until I can do more homework as his play (I think) can be adequately explained by scum motivations or stubborn OMGUSing townie.
RyuSuzaku To be honest I haven't paid too much attention on him either. Glancing at his filter he had basically the same perspective as me with the VisceraEyes ordeal, and so I think his posts after the night kills will serve as strong indicators if he was honestly mistaken or just pretending to be. I.e. I need to do some homework on him too.
What the hell are you trying to do with this post? The BH and DP parts seem entirely unrelated even though you kind of segue in between. If they are unrelated, why the hell are you telling us now that BH is scum? We all know that. Some of us even knew it days ago. Moreover, you seem to be attacking DP for pretty bad reasons. He's holding people accountable for bad cases (a major tool I used when figuring out BH) and then you spend a couple paragraphs on what you admit is a typo, but continue to hold it against him anyway.
This is not bad town play. This is scum trying to feign contribution.
##Vote: cosmicomics
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