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On March 22 2013 15:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Wade Fell the Messenger
I swallow my pride and admit I was wrong. Looking at the flips, I'm inclined to say that scum have 2KP. I mentioned I expected 3KP because that is what normal games of this size tend to have, not of arbitrary speculation.
goodkarma doesn't seem a likely scum kill at all, as there was somewhat a decent amount of suspicion on him. Scum want to keep mislynches around to deflect suspicion and focus off of themselves. I find it more likely that Vivax was the one who offed goodkarma, given that he was adamant about him being scum for a large portion of the game.
Wade Fell doesn't seem a likely scum kill given that he is scum. That leaves sciberbia and Vivax as the night kills. 2KP. It seems a very low amount given that we flipped 1 night vig, 1 mason vig and we have 1 living night vig, but it could be that it stays constant or is scaled appropriately.
That said I swallow my pride again and say that VisceraEyes' claim is very likely true. That means it is very unlikely that he is scum. Also Wade Fell flipped scum too. Definitely not scum.
That said I've lost my primary reads and so I'll be working back up on constructing stronger ones.
All there is to say about Mr. Wiggles has already been said.
Vote Mr.Wiggles
On March 21 2013 03:03 Wade Fell wrote:
So I need to do a reread but 90% likely I'll be making a case on either vivax testsubj or wiggles. Probably vivax since testsubj doesn't really seem to be playing any more. lynching WoS or TPS is out of the question at this point and tbh if WoS's claim is true he's gonna get shot anyways along with TPS fairly quickly
Not hard evidence, but I think a subtle slip. Brings up 3 subjects to make a case on, addresses the first 2 he named, then brings up 2 more people out of nowhere.
I don't mind if it is a wagon between me and Mr. Wiggles. The best kind of lynches are the ones between 1 town and 1 scum. I'll wait until more people take sides before addressing the cases set before me.
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On March 22 2013 17:26 DoYouHas wrote:
It should be noted that in my mind the lynching objectives of the 3p, if it exists, should be the same as the towns, given how horrendously fast we are losing this. Because of this I consider VE off the table for today.
What is this?
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Hi Guys,
I'm going to be unable to play in this game because I'll have very limited (if any) internet access for the next week or so. I've asked Dr. H for a replacement as a result. I'd just like to say good luck to my replacement and to the town as well.
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On March 23 2013 02:34 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2013 17:26 DoYouHas wrote:
It should be noted that in my mind the lynching objectives of the 3p, if it exists, should be the same as the towns, given how horrendously fast we are losing this. Because of this I consider VE off the table for today.
What is this?
I think it is reasonable to assume that if there is a third party, their win condition would require them to prolong this game. If we keep mislynching, the game ends quickly, the 3rd party doesn't have sufficient time to recruit, less likely they will win. Therefore, I think if there is a 3rd party, their win condition and towns currently line up and so lynching into suspected third party would be a bad idea.
What are your thoughts/reads on Geript, DP, and Ryu?
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On March 23 2013 04:08 TranceStorm wrote:
Hi Guys,
I'm going to be unable to play in this game because I'll have very limited (if any) internet access for the next week or so. I've asked Dr. H for a replacement as a result. I'd just like to say good luck to my replacement and to the town as well.
Its too late for a replacement. I already asked back when BH was purposefully trying to make me tilt and succeeding.
Please keep playing.
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hot damn this changes everything
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BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is.
+ Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak  So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend
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love how he has a town read on me. thx bh.
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On March 23 2013 05:42 Kenpachi wrote:
hot damn this changes everything
Are your top two scum reads Wiggles and DP?
Right now that is the way I am leaning, I'm currently reading Wiggles' filter and I'm moving to DP after.
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You guys are playing mafia, I don't really understand where this sentiment of people making you want to quit is.
You signed up to play, you know how people are, now live with it.
When I have the chance later I'll reinforce my case on glurio but activity is real shit today.
What's the deal, is it between CC/Wiggles for now?
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EBWOP: Are they *still* your top two scum reads?
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On March 23 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are playing mafia, I don't really understand where this sentiment of people making you want to quit is.
You signed up to play, you know how people are, now live with it.
When I have the chance later I'll reinforce my case on glurio but activity is real shit today.
What's the deal, is it between CC/Wiggles for now?
I don't think it has been decided yet exactly which candidates are going to be consolidated on yet, but CC/Wiggles are both on the table for it.
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I'm gonna go ahead and assume that mason targets are town. Faking logs seems like more trouble than it's worth...unless anyone can give me a compelling argument?
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On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him.
You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all"
I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah?
Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before.
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On March 23 2013 05:50 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him. You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all" I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah? Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before.
I found BH quite easy to pin as mafia you jerk.
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I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?
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omfg LOL i put Town in red
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Scumslip? 
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Hi guys. I am pretty frustrated with the way I am playing. I was wrong about goodkarma and now I need to go back and figure out why. All my town reads are dead, with the exception of Viscera Eyes who now cannot be scum IMO.
I am about to leave I have 2 weddings to go to today. When I get home I'll dig through filters and try and figure out what is going on.
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On March 23 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that mason targets are town. Faking logs seems like more trouble than it's worth...unless anyone can give me a compelling argument?
They don't have to be fake, they could just had conversation in another QT. Who he masoned is WIFOM at best.
On March 23 2013 05:50 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This what you are looking for WoS? Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him. You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all" I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah? Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before.
BH wasn't hard to identify. He was obviously just trying to spam to get in town's way and not trying to make any arguments about his scum reads other than "I SAID THEY'RE SCUM AND I'M BH".
On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW?
Why does everyone think Coag is town? I see zero evidence to support that. I was honestly afraid I was gonna get shit for not shooting him last night even though I hit scum.
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