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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
So Mr. Wiggle's early contribution was for the most part, defending players. He attempts to stop wagons on Vivax, DarthPunk, Coagulation, ThePeashooter and DoYouHas. Why is this scummy? Well this type of posting is very easy when you know who town is. Vivax has flipped, TPS has a green check and i will wager the rest of these players are town too. Rather than looking for scum Wiggles falls back on trying to shit on cases that he knows are wrong and pushing his own mislynches grey and gk at the same time. On day 2 he pops in with this post: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 07:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, I'm back. About the Peashooter case. Can someone point out the scum motivations in his posting to me? I see there's a case, but some of it seems like it's on an emotional basis, and some it's based on activity, neither of which I see as being valid for calling him scum. Reading through his posts, I don't see scum motivation though. He's not trying to misdirect us, and he's not trying that much to fit in and hide. The feeling I get from him is that he's just pretty angry, but it seem honest. For example, he got all mad at Coag, but then later he gets all mad at Kenpachi for similar reasons. So, he's consistent with it. Deleted a bit about layabout, I like his recent posting. I'm waiting on a couple of other people to continue posting. I'd like to see how they react to recent developments. As for VE/BH, I don't want to lynch into them right now. I'd rather let scum or vigs sort them out for us. I find them hard to read, because they play very emotionally, and they do/say a lot of things I find scummy/disagree with from a play perspective on a regular basis. If VE was actually shot, and BH is a mason, then scum will have to go after them sooner or later. If they don't, they're either going to start to doing good work as town, or else they're going to out themselves as scum, because if I remember right, their scum play isn't the greatest compared to their town play. I think we can find better targets for today. I'm going to do some stuff, and then read through some of the other posters who haven't really caught my attention or who have been avoiding the spotlight. I feel there's a good chance of finding scum among them. As has been previously mentioned, this post is full of not scumhunting and a non-town mindset. He says the TPS isn't scum, he doesn't think i am scum and he wants to avoid saying whether VE or BH is scum. He follow this by promising more content and saying that it's because he is waiting for people to post. And yet as the game has grown more active Mr. Wiggles content contributions have shrunk. After Kita engages him in talk we eventually find out that he is suspicious of WoS and he joins the wagon. And disappears for the day. But then WoS claims cop and Wiggles has to move his vote, and comes in with a seemingly brilliant cases on Ace. except well, ->Ace wasn't here ->Neither were the majority of players ->The case relies on assuming excellent mafia play Here is the Case Wiggles starts by presenting Ace's hello post as a promise to contribute and then criticizes him for failing to meet that promise. He calls Ace's very sensible lynch on VE* scummy. Then goes on to speculate that the mirror is the mafia mason. However, BH was the mafia mason, and by creating and reinforcing the idea that the mirror is a mafia mason he promotes the idea that his team mate Wade Fell is town. + Show Spoiler [*] + Which is perfectly in line with Ace's meta Wiggles to his credit places a low emphasis on the meta scetion and spoilers it, but in it he compares Ace's play in a game that he had clearly been following and reading to this game, which he was clearly catching up on. How are we to expect Ace to be confident from the get go when he doesn't know what's going on? He also repeatedly tells us that Ace is an excellent mafia player and uses that to play on the fears and confusion in the thread. But as games have proven time and time again if you have to assume that mafia are playing near-perfect you are assuming too much. In short Mr. Wiggle's day 1 and day 2 show a mafia mindset, he promises content but avoids delivering on it and his case is misleading opportunistic and promoted mafia's agenda. ##Vote Mr.Wiggles | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 21 2013 01:47 Ace wrote: Who CARES if he is a Vet? He just posted logs of him joining a 3rd party and even said fuck the Town. This isn't hard. On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote: Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months. Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately. On March 21 2013 02:02 Ace wrote: We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb. But leaving a claimed 3rd party player alive, when it empowers a player we have no idea about is just as dumb. I don't see how this is a difficult concept to understand. I guess you guys think leaving claimed Serial Killers alive is a good idea as long as they help the town. lulz. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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layabout
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
On March 23 2013 11:10 TestSubject893 wrote: EBWOP: Somehow I missed the first line in the second section about geript. I see now what that section is meant to say. I'm still not super happy about it though. Why defend geript right now? DoYouHas asked me for my thoughts and reads and that is what I gave. What is your primary concern that you are voting for me? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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ThePeashooter
United States100 Posts
I would highly recommend that even if we are going to lynch wiggles that everyone else starts looking into other players and trying to establish reads while posting other major scum cases. This is going to be really important if we intend on getting literally any information from today. If it goes as it has been where people can just bus a vote onto wiggles with literally no explanation then there is no way to hold people accountable for their actions or thoughts. This is an extremely bad situation for town regardless of wiggles alignment. On that note I want to apologize. I thought I was going to be home 5 hours ago but I got caught up doing something and got home at 2AM. I'm going to set my alarm early and try to get some conversation going before I head to work for the night. I would even call out tomorrow to make sure we can make something happen if I wasn't getting a raise tomorrow  | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
1. A scum JOAT seems exceptionally unlikely to me as using the role for extra KP makes the most sense to me. 2. Burying a roleblock on Keiethi makes no sense to me as, if VE is blue, VE is likelier to better use his role having played D1 instead of playing catchup. 3. An unclaimed Roleblock on 3P seems insane to me. It would explain only 2 NK N1. However, if we believe Test is a Vig and shot BH, then Vivax likely shot GK and 3P lacks KP which would mean that there's no reason to not claim the roleblock. Ther's an outside shot that Twst is 3P which explains the vig claim and the BH push against him, but that would be a total mindfuck and doesn't seem consistent with his play. 4. WoS is lying and is scum. A scum role checker would also help explain the Vivax hit (if you assume that we're off base on CC/wiggles). I'm traveling until late today and won't likely be able to post or read for 12 hours. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 23 2013 18:10 geript wrote: Here's my problem with WoS: where did the roleblock go night 1? Nobody claimed one. I don't think VE would be alive if he had been roleblocked. That leaves 4 options a scum JOAT, a buried roleblock on Keirethi, an unclaimed roleblock on the 3P or WoS is lying. 1. A scum JOAT seems exceptionally unlikely to me as using the role for extra KP makes the most sense to me. 2. Burying a roleblock on Keiethi makes no sense to me as, if VE is blue, VE is likelier to better use his role having played D1 instead of playing catchup. 3. An unclaimed Roleblock on 3P seems insane to me. It would explain only 2 NK N1. However, if we believe Test is a Vig and shot BH, then Vivax likely shot GK and 3P lacks KP which would mean that there's no reason to not claim the roleblock. Ther's an outside shot that Twst is 3P which explains the vig claim and the BH push against him, but that would be a total mindfuck and doesn't seem consistent with his play. 4. WoS is lying and is scum. A scum role checker would also help explain the Vivax hit (if you assume that we're off base on CC/wiggles). I'm traveling until late today and won't likely be able to post or read for 12 hours. Here's my problem with you: that's dumb and you didn't consider the fact that maybe they didn't RB D1 for whatever reason. I also said I wasn't 100% sure it was a RB as all I got was a bunch of confusing flavour text which basically amounted to me not getting back my night check. It might have been because Vivax died, it might not have been. You know it's funny though, I don't even mind this as a point of discussion since the thread is dead today now that we have consolidation since like the beginning of the day. I don't quite understand why it has to be this way and we can't continue to hunt other scum though. I believe I promised a post on Glurio but I have to get back to bed as it's almost 6 am and the only reason I am up is because screaming baby. In any case geript you're welcome to continue this line of thinking so long as you don't derail today's lynch target. If we hit their roleblocker in Wiggles I'll be dead tomorrow night anyway. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 23 2013 18:10 geript wrote: Here's my problem with WoS: where did the roleblock go night 1? Nobody claimed one. I don't think VE would be alive if he had been roleblocked. That leaves 4 options a scum JOAT, a buried roleblock on Keirethi, an unclaimed roleblock on the 3P or WoS is lying. 1. A scum JOAT seems exceptionally unlikely to me as using the role for extra KP makes the most sense to me. 2. Burying a roleblock on Keiethi makes no sense to me as, if VE is blue, VE is likelier to better use his role having played D1 instead of playing catchup. 3. An unclaimed Roleblock on 3P seems insane to me. It would explain only 2 NK N1. However, if we believe Test is a Vig and shot BH, then Vivax likely shot GK and 3P lacks KP which would mean that there's no reason to not claim the roleblock. Ther's an outside shot that Twst is 3P which explains the vig claim and the BH push against him, but that would be a total mindfuck and doesn't seem consistent with his play. 4. WoS is lying and is scum. A scum role checker would also help explain the Vivax hit (if you assume that we're off base on CC/wiggles). I'm traveling until late today and won't likely be able to post or read for 12 hours. Lol and I just realized, wtf is this? How exactly would me being a rolechecked explain the Vivax death? First of all, I admitted to you that I checked him and he died. If I were scum what would be the point? Second of all, if I were scum I certainly couldn't have checked him, said 'Oh hey look, he's the Sword!' and killed him in the same night. If you're insinuating he was my D1 check and I lied, then you must be assuming TPS is lying too, because he confirmed the role of my check on him before even I did. Finally, you say 'that would help explain the Vivax hit,' uh...why does that help explain it exactly? Mafia picked a fairly vocal and town-friendly target for NK; I don't exactly see what's so surprising or hard to explain about that. Your other three points are just useless speculation, though I don't see what's wrong with the first one actually. It's unlikely since it probably makes more sense to confuse the town with an extra NK (make us think it's 3P or whatever) than to simply RB but again, that's assuming scum doesn't just have a RB that didn't use their power N1 which to be is the most likely scenario. AAAAANYWAY, death to Wiggles. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 23 2013 18:51 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 23 2013 18:10 geript wrote: Here's my problem with WoS: where did the roleblock go night 1? Nobody claimed one. I don't think VE would be alive if he had been roleblocked. That leaves 4 options a scum JOAT, a buried roleblock on Keirethi, an unclaimed roleblock on the 3P or WoS is lying. 1. A scum JOAT seems exceptionally unlikely to me as using the role for extra KP makes the most sense to me. 2. Burying a roleblock on Keiethi makes no sense to me as, if VE is blue, VE is likelier to better use his role having played D1 instead of playing catchup. 3. An unclaimed Roleblock on 3P seems insane to me. It would explain only 2 NK N1. However, if we believe Test is a Vig and shot BH, then Vivax likely shot GK and 3P lacks KP which would mean that there's no reason to not claim the roleblock. Ther's an outside shot that Twst is 3P which explains the vig claim and the BH push against him, but that would be a total mindfuck and doesn't seem consistent with his play. 4. WoS is lying and is scum. A scum role checker would also help explain the Vivax hit (if you assume that we're off base on CC/wiggles). I'm traveling until late today and won't likely be able to post or read for 12 hours. Lol and I just realized, wtf is this? How exactly would me being a rolechecked explain the Vivax death? First of all, I admitted to you that I checked him and he died. If I were scum what would be the point? Second of all, if I were scum I certainly couldn't have checked him, said 'Oh hey look, he's the Sword!' and killed him in the same night. If you're insinuating he was my D1 check and I lied, then you must be assuming TPS is lying too, because he confirmed the role of my check on him before even I did. Finally, you say 'that would help explain the Vivax hit,' uh...why does that help explain it exactly? Mafia picked a fairly vocal and town-friendly target for NK; I don't exactly see what's so surprising or hard to explain about that. Your other three points are just useless speculation, though I don't see what's wrong with the first one actually. It's unlikely since it probably makes more sense to confuse the town with an extra NK (make us think it's 3P or whatever) than to simply RB but again, that's assuming scum doesn't just have a RB that didn't use their power N1 which to be is the most likely scenario. AAAAANYWAY, death to Wiggles. If you're insinuating he was my D1 check and I lied, then you must be assuming TPS is lying too, because he confirmed the role of my check on him before even I did. The fact that TPS claimed his role before you did is a strike against you not for you. If you were lying, of course you'd just agree with whatever he said. In fact, your check of him is a little fishy to me since before he claims fool you seem to imply that he's blue. Mafia picked a fairly vocal and town-friendly target for NK; I don't exactly see what's so surprising or hard to explain about that. If you believe he was town friendly, why did you waste your check on him? You can't sit here and say "the guy I checked was a good target for a NK" and expect us not to be suspicious. | ||
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ThePeashooter
United States100 Posts
On March 20 2013 23:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Apparently so? There is a circumstance where I think this may not be true since again, my PM says nothing about alignment, but my rolecheck result surprised me. He was surprised because I came back as The Fool even though one The Fool had already flipped. | ||
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ThePeashooter
United States100 Posts
On March 18 2013 02:23 layabout wrote: vivax thinks TPS is yamato and started calling him yamato. So either they are both scum, masons or vivax did something "silly". Why did you know there were masons before anyone else did? Hey LayAbout, On March 20 2013 01:44 layabout wrote: Since then Keir flipped and DarthPunk made the point that we were probably on the wrong track. Keir thought zare was town and i am willing to give hm the benefit of the doubt. It's also worth realising that mason roles ARE ptobably balanced between town and mafia but maybe with more on town's side, since grey is probably not the only town mason since he could only mason 1 person then kill them. I am not defending BH, your push on him based on qt's (unlike most of what you have done so far) was borderline retarded. Can't say much more. Why do you seem to know more about the set up than other people in the game? | ||
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
This is his initial response to GreYMisT flipping town. On March 19 2013 05:34 RyuSuzaku wrote: well, that sucks. I was pretty convinced GM was scum given how suspicious he was acting. Pretty disappointing play from him, especially given his incredibly strong role. Obviously I was wrong, but I'm town and I had completely valid reasons for attacking GM. Read pages 36~41 for context and the general types of responses people had to the flip. RyuSuzaku responds in a vastly different way. He goes out of his way to defend himself, even though there was no pressure on him for being wrong. Whether he had "valid reasons" or not doesn't matter, it's his attitude in this post that is out of place. Notice the focus he brings upon himself - "I was convinced ... I was wrong ... I'm town ... I had valid reasons". And the context indicates no pressure at all. Which suggests that this post betrays a mentality of inherent guilt. In the same exact post we see him addressing DoYouHas' and VisceraEyes' suspicions. On March 19 2013 05:34 RyuSuzaku wrote: (referring to DoYouHas) Sadly I can't tell whether you are saying these things as a scum trying to push responsibility for a mislynch, or as a townie who is just bad. (referring to VisceraEyes) Why are you cherry picking me? Are you scum? Again, a very defensive posture, where he wants to call them scum without actually bringing forth an accusation. I mean, what kind of response do you expect when asking "Are you scum?" It's rhetorical in nature. There is a pretty good dialogue between him and VisceraEyes when he actually follows up (read page 41). That's all I got so far since much of what I suspect depends on how he posts today, especially concerning what his new stance on VisceraEyes is, but we can start by talking about this. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 24 2013 01:42 ThePeashooter wrote: Hey LayAbout, Why did you know there were masons before anyone else did? Hey LayAbout, Why do you seem to know more about the set up than other people in the game? If Vivax had slipped he must have had out of thread communication. Hence scum or masons. That was what was being suggested. Your second point was with regards to my continuation of keirathi's speculation based on GM's flip and BH's claim. I can't remember who you are but since you did that to my name i have a feeling i don't like you. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 24 2013 02:10 cosmicomics wrote: Alright I did some homework on RyuSuzaku. This is his initial response to GreYMisT flipping town. Read pages 36~41 for context and the general types of responses people had to the flip. RyuSuzaku responds in a vastly different way. He goes out of his way to defend himself, even though there was no pressure on him for being wrong. Whether he had "valid reasons" or not doesn't matter, it's his attitude in this post that is out of place. Notice the focus he brings upon himself - "I was convinced ... I was wrong ... I'm town ... I had valid reasons". And the context indicates no pressure at all. Which suggests that this post betrays a mentality of inherent guilt. In the same exact post we see him addressing DoYouHas' and VisceraEyes' suspicions. Again, a very defensive posture, where he wants to call them scum without actually bringing forth an accusation. I mean, what kind of response do you expect when asking "Are you scum?" It's rhetorical in nature. There is a pretty good dialogue between him and VisceraEyes when he actually follows up (read page 41). That's all I got so far since much of what I suspect depends on how he posts today, especially concerning what his new stance on VisceraEyes is, but we can start by talking about this. Since everyone seems so busy maybe ryu is a better target for tomorrow. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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