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On March 21 2013 11:45 sciberbia wrote:
cosmicomics
But what do you guys think about making this a cosmicomics lynch?
I think we can all agree he is:
- reasonably likely to be scum
- lurky
- does not show any indication of ever contributing more
I would be happy to write up a case and vote cosmicomics if you guys would be receptive.
I don't know how to feel about this, as I would have been plenty happy with a CC lynch if I weren't AFK at the time, but that last line reads incredibly scummy. He only wants to make a case if people will agree with it? If you're convinced about a CC lynch, shouldn't you make the case and push it, not ask people if they WANT you to make the case and push it?
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On March 22 2013 00:42 Vivax wrote:
If the cultist mechanic works like it's written there we should try to find and kill the leader anyway, not lynch VE.
The first concern is to get rid of scum though.
But if the cultist mechanic works like that then since we have had 2 days we have already lost and that just doesn't seem likely. Even though people complain sometimes, TL games tend to be well balanced and the team that get's the most lynches/mislynches wins nearly every time. I think we need a better idea of what we are dealing with because at the moment VE is a risk that we don't want at lylo.
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Yeah nice defense you accepted there Zare, don't know if you were just trying to look like you thought he's scum or actually were interested into finding out, cause there are huge inconsistencies.
On March 19 2013 23:47 TranceStorm wrote:
Ok, since you think I'm scum based on that quote, allow me to justify myself. I was questioned about my willingness to lynch you after I had made my case on DoYouHas. At that point in time, you seemed very mafia-like to me and I voiced that if I would be because of the reasons articulated by other users. There is no reason to repeat what others said given that I wasn't voting for you!
And think about it this. If I were scum, I could have simply given a bogus justification or repeated someone else's argument to 'appear as if I had made a contribution'. I didn't do that, I gave my opinion without writing a paragraph about why I felt that way.
Unfortunately, I was unable to participate in the later brouhaha regarding the GM lynch so I couldn't make any extended push against any particular player.
On March 19 2013 23:58 zarepath wrote:
Can you see how it looks scummy if you make a case on DoYouHas, people question you about zarepath, and you suddenly drop your case and vote for zarepath based off of no unique reason of your own? Lack of justification is a scummy trait.
On March 20 2013 00:04 TranceStorm wrote:
I didn't vote for you though, and I didn't drop my case against DoYouHas. I just said that I would be willing to vote for you. I didn't have any unique reasons why; they had all been outlined beforehand by people like sciberia. If I were to switch my vote to you, I might have given a brief 2 liner about how lackluster your D1 posts seemed to be.
On March 20 2013 00:07 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 23:44 Vivax wrote:
Why do you post a list of all your reads when your only argument should be to get scum lynched if you are town.
Bring the arguments against Wiggles and TranceStorm then. Bring other reads when you use them for association or to stop pressure on townreads.
You also forgot to include previous arguments you used to say GK played scummy in your list, why do you forget your own arguments for saying people might be scum and instead say he's just scummy for activity now? Others are far less active. 1. Because there's a chance I'm lynched today, and I started this reads post for a N1 post but didn't have time to finish it. Also: I don't see why it's unhelpful. 2. What do you think about Wiggles and TranceStorm? I'll be looking into them more deeply as the day goes, but I think there's a good enough amount to suspect and pressure them right now already -- Wiggles refuses to give reads, and Trance did a weird dance for yesterday's lynch. Now Trance still thinks that Wiggles is "super scummy" but has actually voted instead for TPS based off of someone else's case. His opening post is a whole lot of nothing, and so are his next few posts. 3. If you're talking about the quote I pulled with goodkarma basically giving a resume of how townie he's been, yes, that's still a strike against him in my book. But his interaction with BH in the QT has evened my read out to Null.
On March 20 2013 00:08 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 00:04 TranceStorm wrote:
I didn't vote for you though, and I didn't drop my case against DoYouHas. I just said that I would be willing to vote for you. I didn't have any unique reasons why; they had all been outlined beforehand by people like sciberia. If I were to switch my vote to you, I might have given a brief 2 liner about how lackluster your D1 posts seemed to be. I guess that's true; you didn't. It just looked a lot like "Sheep for hire! Any case will do!"
On March 20 2013 00:22 TranceStorm wrote:
@zarepath: in response to your town points (one of your posts is a response to Vivax).
First, as to my lynch choice today. I have a choice to make between the case against TPS and against Mr. Wiggles (which I had pointed out first last night). For me, the compelling evidence against TPS seems to be his behavior in his very flimsy vote for GM last night and hasn't paid any lip service to the accusations leveled at him. My case against Wiggles has been responded to somewhat, if unconvincingly. In a decision between two scummy candidates, I have to the most likely one, in my opinion it is TPS.
As to your second point, you are overgeneralizing. I was asked specifically for the case of zarepath, which I had read over and agreed with. That doesn't mean that any case that's presented to me will be something I agree with.
On March 20 2013 01:05 zarepath wrote:
Yeah, well, the QT is definitely a thing; I'm in one right now with him. I just don't understand the line about how the mods are slow about putting the QT up but still having a place to put his first line that's saying that...
So it could just be BH and GK scum, but it seems like a pretty bad claim.
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There's still the chance they're talking about different times than I'm seeing, upon rereading actually, so the inconsistency just looks like one.
Bleh, no point in trying.
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Okay, so for the next bit it's going to look like I"m slinging crap at everybody unnecessarily, but I pulled out all the suspicious posts I wanted to talk about as I was catching up, so it's not all aligned into big cases yet, but I don't want these things looked over or forgotten.
On March 21 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: goodkarma
SHEEP ME
I noticed that right at the time when everyone is asking for consolidation, Mocsta busted out a completely different wagon.
Also notice that Mocsta has been getting a LOT of mileage out of criticizing people for jumping onto the Ace case. He was pretty critical of those on the Ace case, but not really pushing his own case that much. It's not that he had a town read on ACe; he just wanted to criticize those voting for him for some reaosn. And right after the flip, he re-quotes himself saying that.
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I had a strong town read on DYH because of how he attacked me D1 with more effort than anybody else, but his D2 he was just flipping from town sentiment to town sentiment. He's usually one of the first on the wagon, but not THE first:
On March 21 2013 12:42 DoYouHas wrote:
I like your case on Ace, MrWiggles, I like it a lot. It also doesn't hurt that you happen to agree with me on the scum mason thing.
Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: Ace
This is what Mocsta was criticizing, about having a scum read on Wiggles and then immediately voting for whoever Wiggles builds a case on.
On March 21 2013 13:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Holy hell. Where were you to post that case a few hours ago Wiggles? Its certainly the best case I've seen yet for this lynch -> Ace has done next to nothing this game besides post a few vague suspicions and jump onto the VE lynch. The most damning evidence I've seen yet, as Wiggles points out, is the fact that Ace says "We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.", but does no analysis or anything else during the entire day! Voting for VE certainly cannot have been too taxing on his part, why not help the town out?
This is what Mocsta was criticizing in a nutshell. Looks way scummimer than DYH's slip imo, because it adds so much less to the case. And personally I just hate his use of exclamation points, so there's that, too.
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On March 21 2013 09:19 TestSubject893 wrote:I liked it. He makes some good points Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since. Show nested quote +Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now.
I didn't like how Testsubject's opinion on cosmic's case is almost as null of an opinion as he can give; very few details, and if he liked it so much, where was he pushing it?
I also want to know why I'm not looking great in his eyes. Testsubject, what is scummy about me?
He just reads as being very unconcerned, and possibly trying to avoid suspicion.
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It wasn't Mocsta noticing that...Good reading bro. It already pisses me off that nobody trusts my reads, but giving others credit for what I do is next-level shit.
You also don't mention that DYH and GK did the same.
I have a hard time seeing who of Zare, DYH and TS is the scum MVP among townies. Gotta go for connection based evidence :|
Zare you seem to be in talkative mood currently can you give me a summary of what you think about each of BH, CC, DYH and GK?
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GK I have ignored ever since BH's logs with him. They both seemed town and what they said in there was consistent with how they behaved in the thread.
BH, from what i can tell, is genuinely trying to figure the game out, albeit he spent the first two days in a tunnel.
CC I maintain looks very scummy. His filter didn't change much over the past 20 pages that I had to catch up on, and I think a CC lynch would be grand.
DYH I read as town early but when I look at all of his towniest moments they are all simply him adding on to other people's cases. He picked up the zarepath case, he picked up the VE case, he picked up the Ace case. I don't see a lot of unique reads from him and I will be paying better attention to him going forward.
For some reason I thought DYH would mayor this game after D1, but he's kind of disappointed since. It doesn't help that we lynched another player who could easily have formed a mayor role.
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Vivax, right now I'm convinced there's scum in one of these three players: TestSubject, Trance, and CC. I'm more convinced of CC than the others, but I haven't studied their filters in full since the beginning of D2. That's on my to-do list for today.
Another thing worth doing is probably analyzing the votes from D1 and D2, now that we have two sets of data points.
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Can I take for granted that you will endorse a CC lynch tomorrow then?
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Shoot, and throw Wiggles in there, too. Apparently there's four of 'em.
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Yeah, I'd put my vote on a CC lynch first thing in the morning. But I want to look through all four of those filters tonight and compare scumminess between.
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Dunno why you ask for a Wiggles shot when there's still Coag around. Vigis should focus on guys like him we can't read.
If we have any that is. GM was a delayed mason-vig, and there were no shots last night. What makes you think we have vigis at all?
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I meant "shoot" as in "darn," not as in "go shoot that guy." I forgot he was in my pool of most suspect suspects.
Vigis should focus on scum, imo. Coag's posts are pretty easy to read for me; they push thoughts and discussion forward, even though they're short and coarse.
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Ok I didn't know that idiom.
Anyway, there's something I find odd, you agree that TS is scummy here for his switch from Wiggles to Ace.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 01:06 zarepath wrote:I had a strong town read on DYH because of how he attacked me D1 with more effort than anybody else, but his D2 he was just flipping from town sentiment to town sentiment. He's usually one of the first on the wagon, but not THE first: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:42 DoYouHas wrote:
I like your case on Ace, MrWiggles, I like it a lot. It also doesn't hurt that you happen to agree with me on the scum mason thing.
Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: Ace
This is what Mocsta was criticizing, about having a scum read on Wiggles and then immediately voting for whoever Wiggles builds a case on.Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 13:32 TranceStorm wrote:
Holy hell. Where were you to post that case a few hours ago Wiggles? Its certainly the best case I've seen yet for this lynch -> Ace has done next to nothing this game besides post a few vague suspicions and jump onto the VE lynch. The most damning evidence I've seen yet, as Wiggles points out, is the fact that Ace says "We aren't going to stop scumhunting: that would be dumb.", but does no analysis or anything else during the entire day! Voting for VE certainly cannot have been too taxing on his part, why not help the town out? This is what Mocsta was criticizing in a nutshell. Looks way scummimer than DYH's slip imo, because it adds so much less to the case. And personally I just hate his use of exclamation points, so there's that, too.
But even after I pointed out that DYH and GK did the same, you don't say they're scummy for what TS did as well
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 01:24 zarepath wrote:
GK I have ignored ever since BH's logs with him. They both seemed town and what they said in there was consistent with how they behaved in the thread.
DYH I read as town early but when I look at all of his towniest moments they are all simply him adding on to other people's cases. He picked up the zarepath case, he picked up the VE case, he picked up the Ace case. I don't see a lot of unique reads from him and I will be paying better attention to him going forward.
For some reason I thought DYH would mayor this game after D1, but he's kind of disappointed since. It doesn't help that we lynched another player who could easily have formed a mayor role.
You abstained from giving a DYH read and said you will look forward. How does this change your read on him?
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I've seen this routine from Mocsta before. This is NMM37 all over again. Mocsta is scum, trying to run the town in 20 different directions and make it look like that's helping. He's spamming the thread in a only slightly more helpful way than BH and he's doing it to drown out others. Mocsta is scum.
And what's this? His case on me out of no where makes sense all of the sudden. To use one of Mocsta's favorite terms, its a chainsaw defense of BH, his teammate.
Mocsta and BH are scum. They need to die.
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On March 22 2013 01:08 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 09:19 TestSubject893 wrote: Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? I liked it. He makes some good points Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since. Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now. I didn't like how Testsubject's opinion on cosmic's case is almost as null of an opinion as he can give; very few details, and if he liked it so much, where was he pushing it? I also want to know why I'm not looking great in his eyes. Testsubject, what is scummy about me? He just reads as being very unconcerned, and possibly trying to avoid suspicion.
I wasn't pushing that case because I wasn't reading the thread at that point... Honestly I didn't focus on it much because I was trying to get caught up.
You've been scummy mostly because of the tone and perceived motivation of some of your posts. I'm not feeling as strongly about it anymore though to be honest. If you are scum you're at the back of line right now, we'll focus on you more when we need to.
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On March 22 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote:
Sick case Test Subject.
Sick spam Vivax.
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