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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22078 Posts
March 21 2013 18:58 GMT
#2361
You see your teammate getting attacked and have the feeling that you got to do something.
Your objectives are: Defend him. Position yourself in a way that you look good if you do or don't lynch him later. Don't look like you are defending him. Justify that you don't push him for being scummy.

So you start writing why you won't push for his lynch at this point, yet are afraid to defend him and try to agree with the ones finding him scummy.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#2362
Look at the first sentnece of your post and tell me you're not tunneling.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 21 2013 19:27 GMT
#2363
On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.

Wade Fell

Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?

But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.

Wade Fell is scum.

I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.


This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb.

If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 19:32 GMT
#2364
I would love it if I was DT checked so I could bitch slap vivax with the results. Just saying.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 19:35 GMT
#2365
On March 22 2013 04:32 Coagulation wrote:
I would love it if I was DT checked so I could bitch slap vivax with the results. Just saying.

Well I'm going to have to survive the night/not get RBed for that to happen, won't I?
:D
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 19:35 GMT
#2366
godspeed
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 19:52 GMT
#2367
On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.

Wade Fell

Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?

But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.

Wade Fell is scum.

I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.


This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb.

If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?


I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm 3rd Party. This is a fact.

I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red...

MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 20:10 GMT
#2368
On March 22 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:
On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.

Wade Fell

Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?

But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.

Wade Fell is scum.

I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.


This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb.

If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?


I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm 3rd Party. This is a fact.

I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red...

MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda.


There's a pretty big difference, VE. Geript was being Geript and was refusing to contribute or write cases, which is why I had to constantly prod him. Chezinu of course was a lost cause so I didn't ask him to write cases. You, on the other hand, acted much more cunningly. You promised "supercases" (link) since you wanted to leave something behind in case you got lynched, the proceeded to claim you were at work and couldn't write them, (link), then said you'd get to them later but now you wanted to push Ace (link), completely ignoring your promise to write cases until after nightfall.

You promised "supercases", on Wiggles, Ryu, Me, and DP (note that ace was not on your list, but you dropped everything to push his mislynch) and haven't materalized with anything close to a supercase, and in fact have only mentioned me at all.

I'll admit, you suckered me good with your promise of super cases. But that doesn't make me scum-- it just shows your true colours.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 20:11 GMT
#2369
VE Was the "Super cases" just a bunch of bullshit to avoid being lynched or do you actually have something?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 20:13 GMT
#2370
And why the fuck did you go from "WIGGLES IS SCUM" to "LETS LYNCH THIS GUY WIGGLES SAYS IS SCUM"

How the fuck can you justify that shit?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 21 2013 20:14 GMT
#2371
On March 22 2013 04:32 Coagulation wrote:
I would love it if I was DT checked so I could bitch slap vivax with the results. Just saying.


Why would you try to direct a DT check on yourself? Even if you check out it doesn't mean you're necessarily town. You could have a godfather mechanic to your role as scum. And considering you want to be checked, I'd argue it's likely you're either town or some kind of godfather role.

DT check should be reserved for scum suspects that are seriously being considered for being lynched. Further, it's good to check someone who's looking like scum who's historically actually going to be of use to town if he's town. Would Coag be that beneficial to town if he were to be DT checked and determined to likely be town? Not really...
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
March 21 2013 20:16 GMT
#2372
EBWOP:

Although, to be fair, I'm liking Coag's questions.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 20:16 GMT
#2373
goodkarma is going out on a limb here with his "Id argue your either town or scum"

You dont fucking say?
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 20:16 GMT
#2374
On March 21 2013 11:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm making a case on Wiggles. It's irrefutable I can assure you.

This is the time. OUR FREEDOM IS AT HAND!!!

On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll.

--redacted--

On March 21 2013 12:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH MY GOD I WOULD TOTALLY LYNCH ACE WHAT THE HOLY ************


Politics is the Mind-Killer
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 20:17 GMT
#2375
On March 22 2013 05:14 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 04:32 Coagulation wrote:
I would love it if I was DT checked so I could bitch slap vivax with the results. Just saying.


Why would you try to direct a DT check on yourself? Even if you check out it doesn't mean you're necessarily town. You could have a godfather mechanic to your role as scum. And considering you want to be checked, I'd argue it's likely you're either town or some kind of godfather role.

DT check should be reserved for scum suspects that are seriously being considered for being lynched. Further, it's good to check someone who's looking like scum who's historically actually going to be of use to town if he's town. Would Coag be that beneficial to town if he were to be DT checked and determined to likely be town? Not really...

Thanks for the advice
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 20:17 GMT
#2376
A: "I have irrefutable evidence that B is scum"
B: "how about we lynch C?"
A: "despite the fact that I 100% believe you to be scum, yes, I find your reasoning sound. :D"

yeah this doesn't make sense to me at all. Care to enlighten us VE?
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 20:18 GMT
#2377
On March 22 2013 05:16 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm making a case on Wiggles. It's irrefutable I can assure you.

This is the time. OUR FREEDOM IS AT HAND!!!

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll.

--redacted--

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 12:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH MY GOD I WOULD TOTALLY LYNCH ACE WHAT THE HOLY ************




This exactly.

VE isnt retarded. so theres really no logical town explanation for this.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 20:25 GMT
#2378
I don't have to respond to you guys and your idiotic accusations. I'm actually rooting for a VE lynch at this point, so I don't know what you're even trying to accomplish. I'm about to flip town. SORRY DUDE.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 20:27 GMT
#2379
lmfao
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 20:28 GMT
#2380
On March 22 2013 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
lmfao

Do you have any kind of comment on my WF case? Do you have anything to say in response to the content I just put into the thread?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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