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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 20:59 GMT
#2401
But it's the only information we get Wade! It's the only information presented to us! I'm telling you that I got hit last night. That's a fact. So what do you make of that? Do you think I'm lying? Do you think I did not get hit Wade? That's not speculating about night actions, that's giving your conclusion based on a FACT (VE has claimed a shot).
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 21:01 GMT
#2402
the fact isn't you got hit, the fact is you said you got hit
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 21:01 GMT
#2403
and that doesn't matter man, behavioural analysis > night action speculation

you know this
Politics is the Mind-Killer
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 21 2013 21:02 GMT
#2404
GK/Wiggles/glurio/TS/+1
scumteam
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:04 GMT
#2405
Here you go again, misrepresenting my position in a scummy way. I asked you about your opinion of my claim. You're afraid to say that you think I'm lying because you know that I'm telling the truth and you're afraid that you might get caught by a tracker or watcher or something else. You're scared to take a stand about a fact (VE has claimed a shot) because you're afraid how it will reflect on your position.

How's that for behavioral analysis Wade? I'm analyzing your behavior instead of speculating about night actions! How about that?!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 21:06 GMT
#2406
Wow, first time for everything VE

but seriously dude I don't speculate on night actions, and there is a good reason for this: for all I know you're third party and you got shot, or you're scum and you held back a shot, or scum has 1 kp for whatever reason, or a scum player got rbed.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:11 GMT
#2407
VisceraEyes SuperCase Volume 1
Wade Fell

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.

Wade Fell

Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?

But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.

Wade Fell is scum.

I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.

On March 22 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2013 04:27 goodkarma wrote:
On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this.

Wade Fell

Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"?
But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story.

Wade Fell is scum.

I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game.


This is a MASSIVE WIFOM bomb.

If this is your "supercase" then it's just flat-out bad. Like why does town suddenly have to believe you're 3P? And why is it that we'd assume you'd know who the mirror is, when we know NOTHING about the mechanics of this hypothetical third party? And why would anyone probe you for the name of said third party if you somehow joined it, considering that telling us would go against your new wincon?


I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm3rd Party. This is a fact.

I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red...

MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda.
On March 22 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here you go again, misrepresenting my position in a scummy way. I asked you about your opinion of my claim. You're afraid to say that you think I'm lying because you know that I'm telling the truth and you're afraid that you might get caught by a tracker or watcher or something else. You're scared to take a stand about a fact (VE has claimed a shot) because you're afraid how it will reflect on your position.

How's that for behavioral analysis Wade? I'm analyzing your behavior instead of speculating about night actions! How about that?!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 21:13 GMT
#2408
thats not a supercase.

thats a pissing contest.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:14 GMT
#2409
Comment on the content Coagulation, or keep out of this.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 21:17 GMT
#2410
reposting a couple quotes of yourself trying to divert attention from your own scumminess does not a "Supercase" make
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22078 Posts
March 21 2013 21:17 GMT
#2411
Cosmicomics where did this opinion go?
Who will you lynch first tomorrow?

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 21 2013 03:27 cosmicomics wrote:
I don't see why there is so much hesitation to move votes over to VisceraEyes.

He didn't do anything to address my case, or take the opportunity to follow up a question concerning his #1 scum read Wade Fell
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 08:51 cosmicomics wrote:
VisceraEyes what do you make of Wade Fell's GreYMisT case?


Everyone in thread dismissed the VisceraEyes / Wade Fell business on the basis that the night actions would resolve the mess. What has VisceraEyes done with his time since the pressure eased off him?

Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 07:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
YOLO right?

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your turn. What do you think of Ryu?
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh why do you make me want to LYNCH YOU SO MUCH DP?! Have I played with you when we're both town before?
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm intrigued by how often Mocsta claims he hasn't read the whole thread, but what's more intriguing is how his story on how much he's read keeps changing.


Why isn't he doing anything to push Wade Fell?? Wasn't he his #1 scum read?
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm actually down with lynching anywhere inside

Wade Fell, RyuSakura, Coagulation

They're in order of my preference.


Even now, as we try to untangle this "3P mess", we see him say
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have not claimed scum. I'm town. Wade is ridiculous.

Not Wade Fell is scum. "Wade is ridiculous", implying that Wade Fell is town and being ridiculous. Why isn't he pushing Wade Fell as scum if he was his #1 scum read, and is now fabricating ridiculous things to push him?

The most simplest explanation to this whole ordeal is that VisceraEyes is scum, jumping around from target to target to see who will latch without meaningful contribution, made up the 3P business up to sidetrack the town even more, especially since we are deep into D2 without too much consolidation after WaveofShadow claimed.

VisceraEyes is scum and making crap up

VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:18 GMT
#2412
I'm not trying to divert attention away from anything. What part of "I don't care if I'm lynched D3" do you not understand? I'm putting my thoughts in the thread for if/when I flip. Nice attempt to discredit me in an attempt to divert attention away from your own scumminess though Wade. <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 21 2013 21:20 GMT
#2413
VE it's like pretty obvious you joined the ace case when it looked like you were gonna be lynched over wiggles. zZz
Politics is the Mind-Killer
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:21 GMT
#2414
It's also like pretty obvious that I joined the case because I believed in it. zZz
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
RyuSuzaku
Profile Joined March 2013
Japan139 Posts
March 21 2013 21:21 GMT
#2415
I agree with Coagulation, but I still think VE is scum.

I saw the lynch just now, but I'm really confused. How the hell did Ace get lynched over VE? Even Wiggles/GK would have been better lynches, but seriously??

VE needs to die. He's done absolutely nothing this game except point fingers, contradict himself, and piss on the thread. At no point have I thought to myself, "Wow, I like VE's thoughts on so and so." At no point have I thought to myself, "I really hope VE gets protected by a medic tonight." At no point have I thought to myself, "Wow, VE really is an asset to town."

Normally I would think VE is an asset to town, even when sometimes he has the propensity to be a drama queen. This game his drama has been almost intentionally destructive. Yesterday he went from suspecting myself/Wade/Coag to attacking Wiggles when it suited his convenience (when he was vote leader.) When Wiggles made a case on Ace that made him look better, VE took the opportunity to go "aha! I wanted to kill Ace, let's do it!" and what's shocking is that the rest of the Ace voters jumped with him.

Recall, too: VE accused Ace of derailing the Wiggles wagon.

Someone please explain to me how this makes sense from a VE town perspective.

Pathetic, really.
Dragon Bird
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:22 GMT
#2416
*yawn* look at all the scum trying to discredit me. Pathetic really.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 21 2013 21:23 GMT
#2417
Actually I really wouldn't mind a vig shot on me so the lynch is productive. ^^
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 21 2013 21:23 GMT
#2418
RyuSuzaku is an echo
RyuSuzaku
Profile Joined March 2013
Japan139 Posts
March 21 2013 21:27 GMT
#2419
On March 22 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
*yawn* look at all the scum trying to discredit me. Pathetic really.


rofl, I'm scum for pointing out that you have no interest in helping town this game?

You have no credit to begin with. You've been utterly antitown this entire game.

On day 1 you call Wiggles town, you call BH town, only to out him as a mason later. You lie about being recruited by the mirror (or you have been recruited and you're lying about lying) You take a convenient opportunity post lynch to push the blame onto the originator of the day 1 wagon (me) despite not doing anything yourself to stop it. Really nice way to set up mislynches as scum.

On day 2 you don't push your main targets, only get into a pissing contest with BH. AND to top it all off you go from Wiggles = town to Wiggles = scum when it conveniently suits you, only to suddenly turn around when Wiggles provides a case on Ace, a player you never really mentioned, and then you jump on the Ace wagon!

So what exactly am I discrediting here? You can't change the facts.
Dragon Bird
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22078 Posts
March 21 2013 21:28 GMT
#2420
Think a little:

We had a vig-mason. Town-aligned.
There is a converting mason. Third party.
There is Wade the mason . _____

But that would not be the only reason I support his lynch. The other reason are his reads. I never got the feeling he's pushing town agenda, all of his reads so far have been on people I wouldn't lynch, and he defends those who are scummy.

It's true that VE was opportunistic D2 so we can't exclude he is 3p but scum has to fall first.
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