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Vivax
21717 Posts
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
I know that as town you are better than this. So, either change your game and help me find scum ASAP or I will get you lynched tomorrow. I just hope I will live to be able to keep you in check. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:27 RyuSuzaku wrote: rofl, I'm scum for pointing out that you have no interest in helping town this game? You have no credit to begin with. You've been utterly antitown this entire game. On day 1 you call Wiggles town, you call BH town, only to out him as a mason later. You lie about being recruited by the mirror (or you have been recruited and you're lying about lying) You take a convenient opportunity post lynch to push the blame onto the originator of the day 1 wagon (me) despite not doing anything yourself to stop it. Really nice way to set up mislynches as scum. On day 2 you don't push your main targets, only get into a pissing contest with BH. AND to top it all off you go from Wiggles = town to Wiggles = scum when it conveniently suits you, only to suddenly turn around when Wiggles provides a case on Ace, a player you never really mentioned, and then you jump on the Ace wagon! So what exactly am I discrediting here? You can't change the facts. My read going from Wiggles town to Wiggles scum was never "convenient for me". And I'm not "getting into a pissing contest" with BH, I'm explaining why I think he's scum. You didn't even MENTION my case on him, you're just cherrypicking events that suit your argument. I've provided reasoning for all of my scumreads, you're simply ignoring that fact. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes SuperCase Volume 1 Wade Fell + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Look, I'll admit that I misinterpreted Ace's posting. It seems he honestly believed that lynching me is the best move. I'm willing to submit to this. Wade Fell Wade Fell's play can accurately be summed up as overly arrogant to make up for shoddy reasoning for any of his beliefs. Take his suspicious of me for instance. I was in the thread for all of the hours leading up to the lynch. Presumably, so was Wade. Now, his "belief" is that I'm not 3P and can not be trusted. This is his reasoning for being overly aggressive with me and pushing my lynch. However think about his motivation. If he's town, then presumably he actually BELIEVES that I'm 3P. But to believe this, he must believe that I now know the identity of the Mirror - for if my win-condition has changed to align with the Mirror's, it stands to reason that I should know the identity of this other third party player. So if he's so afraid of 3P in the first place, why is he not asking me questions trying to discern the identity of the player responsible for my recent "turn to the dark side"? But Wade isn't interested in anything I have to say. He doesn't seem interested in trying to pump me for information, in fact he doesn't act suspicious of me at all. He acts like he wants to lynch me. That's it. It's fake, and it's not based on reality. It's all based on his ridiculous perception of my play, and biased to appear consistent with his story. Wade Fell is scum. I'm going to work but will continue to look over the game. On March 22 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm3rd Party. This is a fact. I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red... MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda. On March 22 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Here you go again, misrepresenting my position in a scummy way. I asked you about your opinion of my claim. You're afraid to say that you think I'm lying because you know that I'm telling the truth and you're afraid that you might get caught by a tracker or watcher or something else. You're scared to take a stand about a fact (VE has claimed a shot) because you're afraid how it will reflect on your position. How's that for behavioral analysis Wade? I'm analyzing your behavior instead of speculating about night actions! How about that?! | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: My read going from Wiggles town to Wiggles scum was never "convenient for me". And I'm not "getting into a pissing contest" with BH, I'm explaining why I think he's scum. You didn't even MENTION my case on him, you're just cherrypicking events that suit your argument. I've provided reasoning for all of my scumreads, you're simply ignoring that fact. I didn't mention your case on him because it's nothing but tunneling him to oblivion. I hold nothing either of you have said about each other to any sort of regard. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:29 RyuSuzaku wrote: if you are town, I am trying to help you right now. I know that as town you are better than this. So, either change your game and help me find scum ASAP or I will get you lynched tomorrow. I just hope I will live to be able to keep you in check. Your threat is meaningless. I've resigned to death. That's what you scummy fuckers keep glossing over. I'm DEAD ALREADY because of the shit I pulled yesterday. Rather than niggle me about my play, why don't you explain why my case against WF is wrong? You know, if you're REALLY trying to help me and not just blow smoke up my ass? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote: Also, hi Bugs.  | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:34 RyuSuzaku wrote: I didn't mention your case on him because it's nothing but tunneling him to oblivion. I hold nothing either of you have said about each other to any sort of regard. So you think there's a reasonable explanation for VE's flipflopping on his irrefutable evidence that wiggles is scum? Yeah VE is a tunnely bastard but my logic is SOUND. Ve's actions do not come from a town mindset. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Your threat is meaningless. I've resigned to death. That's what you scummy fuckers keep glossing over. I'm DEAD ALREADY because of the shit I pulled yesterday. Rather than niggle me about my play, why don't you explain why my case against WF is wrong? You know, if you're REALLY trying to help me and not just blow smoke up my ass? it's not my responsibility to get you off a tunnel, given that you have not actually shown particular interest in getting WF lynched. Creating a huge shitfest with BH is not indicative to me that you actually truly believe he is scum, given that you swapped to two different players (who were both unmentioned/town reads prior to that) with almost no resistance at all. The simpler conclusion is that you are scum, and that's why you don't care who gets lynched. You attack BH, but if you were town and truly thought he were scum I would expect you to actually care about pushing people onto him. Instead, you were far more concerned with living. (and the evidence for this is you wanting to kill Wiggles/Ace) If you really thought Wiggles was scum, wouldn't you be suspicious of him not being around at all right now/or at important times? If you really thought BH was scum, why weren't you more concerned about the fact that no one agreed with you? None of these things make sense from a town perspective. They all make sense from a scum perspective, though. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote: You can't discredit it as "tunneling into Oblivion" because I've been VERY open to other targets. In FACT. In what way am I "tunneling BH into Oblivion" when I'm simultaneously looking at other candidates? This is a blatant lie and a completely transparent attempt to dodge the issue. you're not OPEN to targets, you're simply self-centered. Your only proven interest so far is in saving your own hide. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not doing this. I'm not getting drawn into an argument with you. If you think I'm scum then lynch me tomorrow or shoot me tonight if you're able. I don't have time to fuck with you...I've got cases to write. you fooled us with this statement yesterday never again | ||
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Vivax
21717 Posts
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not doing this. I'm not getting drawn into an argument with you. If you think I'm scum then lynch me tomorrow or shoot me tonight if you're able. I don't have time to fuck with you...I've got cases to write. sure, "cases" that you yourself are not willing to lynch someone over. Your "case" on BH really was quite useful yesterday, was it not? When ultimately, your vote was on Ace. It doesn't matter what you say at this point, it is only your actions that define your alignment. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
If it exists, a converting mason as third party does not make much sense. Either VE or the mirror guy is lying about something. I tend to think it is VE. In a past Dr. H game I believe there was a converting mechanic, I think it was mafia-aligned. IF there is a recruiting mechanic, I would warrant it being on the scum side, since it makes more sense that way. A third party recruiter makes things very weird because a mafia who gets recruited will have the ability to simply out the mafia team, but a mafia recruiter doesn't have that problem. It's cleaner in that sense. Thus if the mirror really is a recruiter, I would warrant it being a mafia recruiter, and not a third party one. | ||
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cosmicomics
81 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:17 Vivax wrote: Cosmicomics where did this opinion go? Who will you lynch first tomorrow? Depends on the night results. His behavior and actions aside, VisceraEyes' vet claim is very strong indicator that he isn't scum if it is true. The key phrase is "if it is true". Because this game has a closed setup, we do not know the nature of scum KP. There is no reason to suppose that it should go by standard precedent (in which I suspect 3 initial KP for scum), and with the flip of a role like Nightmare, I don't find it a stretch to think scum were compensated with other forms of KP. Therefore if the night actions suggest that VisceraEyes' claim is indeed valid, then I swallow my pride because it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet, and we get down to lynching goodkarma and unfolding things from there. If not, it's tunnel city because there is nothing aside from his claim that I see as reasonable body of evidence that he is town. | ||
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Vivax
21717 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:57 cosmicomics wrote: Depends on the night results. His behavior and actions aside, VisceraEyes' vet claim is very strong indicator that he isn't scum if it is true. The key phrase is "if it is true". Because this game has a closed setup, we do not know the nature of scum KP. There is no reason to suppose that it should go by standard precedent (in which I suspect 3 initial KP for scum), and with the flip of a role like Nightmare, I don't find it a stretch to think scum were compensated with other forms of KP. Therefore if the night actions suggest that VisceraEyes' claim is indeed valid, then I swallow my pride because it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet, and we get down to lynching goodkarma and unfolding things from there. If not, it's tunnel city because there is nothing aside from his claim that I see as reasonable body of evidence that he is town. How should the night actions indicate something about his alignment at all? If he's scum he won't get shot, if he's town he won't get shot cause so many want him lynched, and if he's 3p he's supposedly bulletproof. I don't see scum placing a bet on that. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:57 cosmicomics wrote: Depends on the night results. His behavior and actions aside, VisceraEyes' vet claim is very strong indicator that he isn't scum if it is true. The key phrase is "if it is true". Because this game has a closed setup, we do not know the nature of scum KP. There is no reason to suppose that it should go by standard precedent (in which I suspect 3 initial KP for scum), and with the flip of a role like Nightmare, I don't find it a stretch to think scum were compensated with other forms of KP. Therefore if the night actions suggest that VisceraEyes' claim is indeed valid, then I swallow my pride because it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet, and we get down to lynching goodkarma and unfolding things from there. If not, it's tunnel city because there is nothing aside from his claim that I see as reasonable body of evidence that he is town. I agree with this. It is very likely that mafia has more than 1 KP. It's just not balanced for a game of this size (unless the mafia has an infinite use recruiter, but that doesn't sound like it would be within the parameters of a normal game) This is mostly speculation, so whatever. The only reason I can find at all for considering VE as town is the hit claim. However, his reaction following the daypost is strange in and of itself. Either scum double stacked Keirathi n1 and VE claimed a hit, or scum shot Keirathi and VE, or scum have 1 normal KP and something to make up for it elsewhere. So tbh I can't find any good reason to take VE's shot claim at face value. | ||
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Vivax
21717 Posts
Anyway I'll probably not stay around for much longer so I'll drop in my list of most probable scum. I am assuming that scum this time had the chance to spread their votes cause GK wasn't at real risk of getting lynched and Wiggles, VE and Ace are all town/3p imo. + Show Spoiler + Final vote count: VOTE COUNT! Day 2 ThePeashooter (0): goodkarma (3): Wade Fell (0): Mr. Wiggles (3): zarepath (0): WaveofShadow (0): VisceraEyes (6): cosmicomics , cosmicomics (0): TestSubject893 (0): Mocsta (1): glurio Coagulation (0): Vivax (1): Kenpachi Ace (8): Mr. Wiggles, goodkarma , DoYouHas , VisceraEyes, TranceStorm , geript, ThePeashooter, Mocsta, DarthPunk Voting is compulsory Please label who you are unvoting, it makes it easier for me. | ||
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