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On March 13 2013 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

The vets don't jerk each other off - but you have to understand that some people listen to others more than they're gonna listen to you no matter how well reasoned you are (or perceive yourself to be). It's a byproduct of being more familiar with someone's playstyle, or having a better read on someone than on you, or something else usually. It has nothing to do with "newbie hate" or "vet circle-jerking" or whatever you perceive it to be. It's just playing the game of Mafia with people who know each other better than they know you. Give it time - you'll be one of the people listen to more than others soon enough.

On March 13 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:

This is something I wanted to talk about on the podcast. If you go after lurkers early you're never put in the situation you just described, and you get links to the scummy deflection to boot.

Obviously if the whole fucking town lurks there's nothing you can do, but I feel like some lurker death early on would dissuade those kinds of shady tactics in future games...

On March 13 2013 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Posting it is absolutely crossing the line and violates the spirit and rules of the game, I feel, in a very serious manner. Don't do that.

On March 13 2013 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm also changing my policy of avoiding lurkers. I've always felt that lurkers are extremely hard to deal with and early in the game it's easy for mafia to deflect the lynch onto town lurkers versus their own but I don't care anymore. When you get to crunch time and there's nothing to analyze because half the surviving players have 1 page filters or 3 page filters full of nothing that's a terrrrrrible situation to be in

On March 13 2013 09:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I've also started to think we need to punish bad town play more. People like grush57 surviving to endgame is an atrocity and having this attitude of "Well, that's just what he does" is really hurting TL Mafia as a whole. If the level of play is going to increase, resulting in better and more entertaining games, there has to be punishment for effortless and bad play and not permissiveness. If not lynches, then temporary bans or forcing these players to play with a coach/shadow in their next game.

On March 13 2013 09:44 Toadesstern wrote:

I've seen people posting out of game stuff like that before and it never was a problem. No matter if we're talking about stuff like irc logs to prove someone is actively lurking and not just buisy, or showing posts someone did on TL outside the mafia thread to show the same or whatever else, or posting old pm's between people from older games / discussions about other games.

All happened before and it's not against the rules though I do admit I made it to the rules for the games I'm hosting that posting out of thread "logs" isn't allowed anymore, no matter if mason logs, irc logs or whatever else. In this game it was fine. I don't see a problem with what you're referring to at all.

If you want to talk about how I was a dick to you / VE on purpose I totally agree, that shouldn't have happened and I apologize for that. I don't think I was cheating at all though.

On March 13 2013 09:47 GreYMisT wrote:


You then shared the information with the thread though. I would not have pursued a ban had you just ignored hassy or not posted about what had happened, but you felt compeled to "save him" by posting why you had a town read. This violates the integrety of the game and is cheating.

On March 02 2013 00:18 Toadesstern wrote:
About hassy: The reason I'm ignoring him is that he kind of slipped while playing dota yesterday and I've got information I should not have. Around deadline I said something along the lines of "lol, they shot VE, not even mad" while skyping with him and Wiggles (as always when playing dota) not thinking about it and well Hassy answered something that either was a blatant towntell or a blatant mafiatell for me. Not going to tell which one.

I can't really ignore it when trying to analyze him so I'm ignoring him altogether and won't help on that matter. I shouldn't bring it [the information I have] in the thread because I'd consider that to be unfair.

On March 13 2013 09:45 TestSubject893 wrote:


I'm curious; would you put me in the category of lurker this game?



All game I was asking myself how this attitude ever became prominent. Seems really anti-town to not kill him every game for playing that way.

On March 13 2013 09:52 Toadesstern wrote:

That's everything I said about hassy in the thread.

That's all I said about Hassy. How is that pushing in any direction. I made it as neutral as possible.

On March 13 2013 09:44 geript wrote:

All for this, even if it forces me to shadow for a while.

On March 13 2013 09:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I think what you said about Hassy was commendable tbh although I would have talked about it with a mod first. It was using those logs and referencing outside conversations to try to convince people that you are town. Games need to be insulated.

On March 13 2013 08:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Out of curiosity, Why didn't grush vote No-lynch?

If that happens, then the night actions could result in him winning (since it was possible for the bar-tender to have doused the mafia, and for the mafia and bartender to kill each other the final night. Unlikely, but he has no other path to victory...