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On March 13 2013 09:09 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:05 Restraining Order wrote:
a close deal in the end, given how atrocious our start was.
Also bummed JJ screwed up our BIG PLAYS with vivax the "vig".
gg gg Dont see how If the JK on layabout went through.. OK. we mislynch layabout and then what come back to teh same conclusion.. where is teh missing KP OK there is WIFOM that layabout might have been shot (and hence the KP lost).. but he was never a serious target. Vivax would have been lynched the following cycle.
No there was also the version where layabout was carrying out the kill.
Big thanks to Greymist for hosting btw 
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Blazinghand
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oh yeah greymist is da BAUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
also that mafia framer deserves a fucking medal for heroic play.
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I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do.
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On March 13 2013 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
GG guys! I'm really sad we fucked up due to inactivity but I'll try harder to make more cases lategame nest time.
Any specific criticisms anyone has for me? (Aside from less WIFOMing myself and conspiracy theories?)
More focus. Spend more time thinking about your top reads and tunneling on those. Try to parse out what scumtells worked for you in this game and which ones didn't and go back through scum filters and really look at the behavior over anything else. In general, just increasing your focus and ability to communicate your reads more concisely to the town will make you a better player. I felt like you were kind of all over the place with what you were posting about and pretty much everyone can benefit from trimming the fat and working on their scumhunting
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On March 13 2013 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do.
I had convinced myself you were scum sometime around day 3, but was too afraid of the spotlight to say anything.
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On March 13 2013 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do.
You could stop being all negative about yourself already. You know, you come up with those interesting setups and cool flavour pretty much everytime? Cheer up DrH, we (or at least I) all love you here <3
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On March 13 2013 09:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:09 Mocsta wrote:On March 13 2013 09:05 Restraining Order wrote:
a close deal in the end, given how atrocious our start was.
Also bummed JJ screwed up our BIG PLAYS with vivax the "vig".
gg gg Dont see how If the JK on layabout went through.. OK. we mislynch layabout and then what come back to teh same conclusion.. where is teh missing KP OK there is WIFOM that layabout might have been shot (and hence the KP lost).. but he was never a serious target. Vivax would have been lynched the following cycle. No there was also the version where layabout was carrying out the kill. Big thanks to Greymist for hosting btw
Yeah, and when layabout is lynched and is town.. he couldnt have carried the kill
So yeah, comes back full circle to missing KP.. layabout wasnta high profile enough target to NK.. so yeah, i would nailed you again based on NK logic
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On March 13 2013 09:25 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do. You could stop being all negative about yourself already. You know, you come up with those interesting setups and cool flavour pretty much everytime? Cheer up DrH, we (or at least I) all love you here <3
This. And stop calling me bad too plx.
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Dr.H/anyone:
Can i please have some constructive feedback?
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On March 13 2013 08:28 layabout wrote:
1) why did you modkill toad and not hassy when hassy told toad stuff about the game??
2) why the hell did y'all think toad was mafia???
3)can anybody tell why they found me so scummy?
1) I personally wouldn't modkill a player for a slip like that, I'd talk to both of them in private and make sure that none of them ever brought it up in the thread. Toadesstern did the right thing by not going after hassy in that regard. Toades used outside information to push his own alignment and that's definitely intentional cheating imo, I was the one who brought it to the attention of the mods.
2) I have a better sense of his personality now. I just found it extremely convenient that he was that confident about a read 2 hours into the first day, tbh I don't think Prom's RNG stuff would have been incredibly problematic if he had improved his play later instead of basically scumclaiming. He used the rest of the day to push his town cred and insult everybody else and I just didn't see the townieness in it. I don't understand why he went off to say that the people that pushed Prom were basically confirmed town either and then martyred himself on top of all of that. It was very disappointing to me when he flipped.
3) Your interest in the game seemed really passive and I guess that's just the kind of player you are. I don't pay enough attention to the metagame/personality of particular people and it throws my reads off but I never really pushed you anyway.
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On March 13 2013 09:24 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do. I had convinced myself you were scum sometime around day 3, but was too afraid of the spotlight to say anything.
Scum either left me alive to push a late mislynch or they could feel my interest level/reads were poor enough that I wasn't a threat. My play was great Day 1, I stand by that, but when you don't read the thread for yourself it's easy to get swayed by mafia. I think by the time it was close to LYLO, I hadn't been interested in the thread for a while and there just wasn't enough time to really catch up and put all the pieces together. Funnily enough, I was reading the WoS lynch about an hour before it happened at work, locking up trailers, and the first thing I thought was "I really think I should have pushed TestSubject today". An hour later, WoS flips settler.
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where did I use outside information to push my own alignment?
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On March 13 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote:
Dr.H/anyone:
Can i please have some constructive feedback?
The vets don't jerk each other off - but you have to understand that some people listen to others more than they're gonna listen to you no matter how well reasoned you are (or perceive yourself to be). It's a byproduct of being more familiar with someone's playstyle, or having a better read on someone than on you, or something else usually. It has nothing to do with "newbie hate" or "vet circle-jerking" or whatever you perceive it to be. It's just playing the game of Mafia with people who know each other better than they know you. Give it time - you'll be one of the people listen to more than others soon enough.
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On March 13 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote:
Dr.H/anyone:
Can i please have some constructive feedback?
I thought you played pretty well. Read Ver's guide, look at your reads in this game and just tighten up your play. It's important to look at the instances you were right and why you were right, the instances you were wrong and why you were wrong, and then come to some kind of evaluation about what you contributed. Look through your filter and try to check off the kind of posts you made that didn't add anything productive and all of that.
I thought you did an excellent job as far as sticking to your reads and you seemed pretty confident. That's a plus.
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On March 13 2013 09:32 Toadesstern wrote:
where did I use outside information to push my own alignment?
Posting IRC/Whatever logs about you talking with another player about how town you were
Saying you were talking with other people on skype and how they all knew you were town and thought we were stupid
That's not ok. In fact I was going to quit the game if you weren't modkilled for it.
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On March 13 2013 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote:
Dr.H/anyone:
Can i please have some constructive feedback? The vets don't jerk each other off - but you have to understand that some people listen to others more than they're gonna listen to you no matter how well reasoned you are (or perceive yourself to be). It's a byproduct of being more familiar with someone's playstyle, or having a better read on someone than on you, or something else usually. It has nothing to do with "newbie hate" or "vet circle-jerking" or whatever you perceive it to be. It's just playing the game of Mafia with people who know each other better than they know you. Give it time - you'll be one of the people listen to more than others soon enough.
To be fair, this is a sentiment that was fostered early on by Vivax...but whatever, I felt like I needed to say it to you because that's something you bought into.
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I'm also changing my policy of avoiding lurkers. I've always felt that lurkers are extremely hard to deal with and early in the game it's easy for mafia to deflect the lynch onto town lurkers versus their own but I don't care anymore. When you get to crunch time and there's nothing to analyze because half the surviving players have 1 page filters or 3 page filters full of nothing that's a terrrrrrible situation to be in
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On March 13 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote:
Dr.H/anyone:
Can i please have some constructive feedback? The vets don't jerk each other off - but you have to understand that some people listen to others more than they're gonna listen to you no matter how well reasoned you are (or perceive yourself to be). It's a byproduct of being more familiar with someone's playstyle, or having a better read on someone than on you, or something else usually. It has nothing to do with "newbie hate" or "vet circle-jerking" or whatever you perceive it to be. It's just playing the game of Mafia with people who know each other better than they know you. Give it time - you'll be one of the people listen to more than others soon enough. To be fair, this is a sentiment that was fostered early on by Vivax...but whatever, I felt like I needed to say it to you because that's something you bought into.
I basically forgot about my case on Vivax (lazy) but after he flipped blue in BEM I was pretty much 99.999% he was mafia in this game.
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On March 13 2013 09:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:32 Toadesstern wrote:
where did I use outside information to push my own alignment? Posting IRC/Whatever logs about you talking with another player about how town you were Saying you were talking with other people on skype and how they all knew you were town and thought we were stupid That's not ok. In fact I was going to quit the game if you weren't modkilled for it.
Those 3 lines were with Marv, not with hassy so with people not playing the game which should be fine in general.
Posting that might be a different issue but I don't think it's against any rules to be honest. I can post old pm's with other people in games as well.
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On March 13 2013 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm also changing my policy of avoiding lurkers. I've always felt that lurkers are extremely hard to deal with and early in the game it's easy for mafia to deflect the lynch onto town lurkers versus their own but I don't care anymore. When you get to crunch time and there's nothing to analyze because half the surviving players have 1 page filters or 3 page filters full of nothing that's a terrrrrrible situation to be in
This is something I wanted to talk about on the podcast. If you go after lurkers early you're never put in the situation you just described, and you get links to the scummy deflection to boot.
Obviously if the whole fucking town lurks there's nothing you can do, but I feel like some lurker death early on would dissuade those kinds of shady tactics in future games...
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