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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 01:19 GMT
#4421
the big lesson learned in this game:
never martyr yourself regardless of alignment it guarantees your lynch there is always room to fight
RIP Aaliyah
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 13 2013 01:20 GMT
#4422
Town can't afford to lynch grush every game, besides from what he was doing in thread he looked far more town than scum. Pretty much every action he made was something town should have done/ been thinking about. Maybe by now you can simply meta grush.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 01:22 GMT
#4423
Why does grush even play when he makes zero attempt to improve or contribute? I simply don't want to play with those kinds of people but mafia is too inactive to be able to just weed them out completely. Somehow, TL Mafia feels more dead than it ever has even though there is technically a much higher userbase. Maybe it's just too many games. I don't know.
RIP Aaliyah
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 13 2013 01:30 GMT
#4424
Well when i first started playing i was too active and it was having a negative impact on my life so i resolved to try to post what needs to be said, so that why i tend to not be that active.

With this game i think a lot of people thought we had won very early on and the lynches were pretty unanimous so there wasn't much to say.

Do you reckon if day1 had been less spammy we might have actually gotten replacements?

I have replaced into a 100 page thread before but i think it puts most people off.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 13 2013 01:33 GMT
#4425
On March 13 2013 10:30 layabout wrote:
Well when i first started playing i was too active and it was having a negative impact on my life so i resolved to try to post what needs to be said, so that why i tend to not be that active.

With this game i think a lot of people thought we had won very early on and the lynches were pretty unanimous so there wasn't much to say.

Do you reckon if day1 had been less spammy we might have actually gotten replacements?

I have replaced into a 100 page thread before but i think it puts most people off.

Fair point raised actaully. its daunting (i replaced into 80 page thread. and ppl are impatient and expect you to have reads and its like. hold up. i need AT LEAST 12 hrs jsut to read the fucking thing)

Seriously though, if iamp didnt modkill.. I think we woulda won
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 13 2013 01:39 GMT
#4426
On March 13 2013 10:33 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 10:30 layabout wrote:
Well when i first started playing i was too active and it was having a negative impact on my life so i resolved to try to post what needs to be said, so that why i tend to not be that active.

With this game i think a lot of people thought we had won very early on and the lynches were pretty unanimous so there wasn't much to say.

Do you reckon if day1 had been less spammy we might have actually gotten replacements?

I have replaced into a 100 page thread before but i think it puts most people off.

Fair point raised actaully. its daunting (i replaced into 80 page thread. and ppl are impatient and expect you to have reads and its like. hold up. i need AT LEAST 12 hrs jsut to read the fucking thing)

Seriously though, if iamp didnt modkill.. I think we woulda won

Yeah.

Iamp, or toad, or hassy or choas, or that bomb.

It's annoying really.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 13 2013 01:40 GMT
#4427
lol.. im happy this game is on my smurf.. dont have to actually list it lol
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 01:43 GMT
#4428
now we can all sign up for "the game"
RIP Aaliyah
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
March 13 2013 01:57 GMT
#4429
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
March 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#4430
This game I made the mistake of revoking my policy of lynching grush D1 and/or avoiding games he is in.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 13 2013 03:28 GMT
#4431
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 03:45 GMT
#4432
On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).

The Game will be an enjoyable experience. I'm much much stricter about spamming/lurkers than other mods and there will be crazy flavor level far beyond anything I've done yet and I've already done a lot with that

I came like within a hair of asking players for mailing addresses and physically mailing out role letters
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 03:46 GMT
#4433
only reason i didn't is because i have the penmanship of a 3 year old
RIP Aaliyah
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 13 2013 03:48 GMT
#4434
On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).


I wouldn't blame yourself for not lynching me. The first several days I played exactly as I would as town and when I was attacking your case I was doing it sincerely. I really did think you didn't have enough to go on.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 13 2013 03:51 GMT
#4435
On March 13 2013 12:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).

The Game will be an enjoyable experience. I'm much much stricter about spamming/lurkers than other mods and there will be crazy flavor level far beyond anything I've done yet and I've already done a lot with that

I came like within a hair of asking players for mailing addresses and physically mailing out role letters

That's creep city dude.
Looking forward to it!
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 04:03 GMT
#4436
If anyone wants to kick off the mafia podcast tomorrow with an LX post-game discussion I'm free tomorrow and the day after.
RIP Aaliyah
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 13 2013 04:07 GMT
#4437
On March 13 2013 12:48 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).


I wouldn't blame yourself for not lynching me. The first several days I played exactly as I would as town and when I was attacking your case I was doing it sincerely. I really did think you didn't have enough to go on.

For the record, when I wrote that case I was as convinced (if not more) that you were scum as I have ever been about anyone else in a game of mafia. You were just not assertive, at all. I appreciate you said something about finding scum by intensive conversation with people - as far as I could tell you weren't doing that either, you'd just done nothing for four days.

Obviously your view and my view of your play differ rather a lot.

Unfortunately the only real way I had to convince anyone was to say "go read his filter". And nobody could be bothered.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 13 2013 04:12 GMT
#4438
I think the way TestSubject handled being accused was smart, if it was intentional.

I'm actually gonna make an audio post about this soon but basically good scum defense imo is all about figuring out what town sentiment is and determining how threatened you actually are. If you're not under threat suddenly making huge contributions and getting drawn into a 1 on 1 argument over a long period of time will bring a huge amount of attention on you.

There's always a certain group of players who make it on everyones list of probable scum but no one ever makes the time to really pressure them and one of them is almost always scum/3rd party and they often win games.

I think the absolute most important part of scum play is determining what town sentiment/direction is and subtly manipulating it. Making the towniest/most logical post is not the best thing to do. A town player could make an absolutely shut down case that makes absolute sense but that doesn't mean anyone will care. No one cared about TestSubject and that's exactly what you should want if you have that kind of role. Town should learn from the way he got away with very little pressure basically always under the guise of "ok he looks bad but we'll lynch him later" over and over again (of which I'm also guilty)

I fall into this trap. Testsubject by Day 3 was WAY more suspicious than glurio or even geript to me but I pushed the other reads instead because I felt I had more to analyze or I had figured town sentiment lied elsewhere and it's a big mistake to play that way
RIP Aaliyah
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 13 2013 04:12 GMT
#4439
On March 13 2013 13:07 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 12:48 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).


I wouldn't blame yourself for not lynching me. The first several days I played exactly as I would as town and when I was attacking your case I was doing it sincerely. I really did think you didn't have enough to go on.

For the record, when I wrote that case I was as convinced (if not more) that you were scum as I have ever been about anyone else in a game of mafia. You were just not assertive, at all. I appreciate you said something about finding scum by intensive conversation with people - as far as I could tell you weren't doing that either, you'd just done nothing for four days.

Obviously your view and my view of your play differ rather a lot.

Unfortunately the only real way I had to convince anyone was to say "go read his filter". And nobody could be bothered.


I feel like you'd have probably come to the same conclusion if I was town then, lol. The thread was moving so fast the first few days that I spent almost all of my time on the game reading it, as opposed to contributing. My alignment wasn't going to change that.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 13 2013 04:17 GMT
#4440
On March 13 2013 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the way TestSubject handled being accused was smart, if it was intentional.

I'm actually gonna make an audio post about this soon but basically good scum defense imo is all about figuring out what town sentiment is and determining how threatened you actually are. If you're not under threat suddenly making huge contributions and getting drawn into a 1 on 1 argument over a long period of time will bring a huge amount of attention on you.

There's always a certain group of players who make it on everyones list of probable scum but no one ever makes the time to really pressure them and one of them is almost always scum/3rd party and they often win games.

I think the absolute most important part of scum play is determining what town sentiment/direction is and subtly manipulating it. Making the towniest/most logical post is not the best thing to do. A town player could make an absolutely shut down case that makes absolute sense but that doesn't mean anyone will care. No one cared about TestSubject and that's exactly what you should want if you have that kind of role. Town should learn from the way he got away with very little pressure basically always under the guise of "ok he looks bad but we'll lynch him later" over and over again (of which I'm also guilty)

I fall into this trap. Testsubject by Day 3 was WAY more suspicious than glurio or even geript to me but I pushed the other reads instead because I felt I had more to analyze or I had figured town sentiment lied elsewhere and it's a big mistake to play that way


Plus, I kind of wanted to be on some people's radars as scummy to help avoid being night killed. I made a point of not reacting to every little post that mentioned me on a list of scum.
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