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No, just out the bodyguards in-thread.
If they want to kill you THEY HAVE TO OUT TWO OF THEIR OWN. you do it right before deadline, seconds before. They will fuck themselves over so hard if they want to kill you. It's honestly stupid to waste your jail like that when they could simply choose to ignore you guys and kill others.
I as mafia would never swap the bodyguards unless I knew you were too stupid to out them. You threaten a jail on FT? big fucking deal, I'd roleblock you.
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It's a really long post so I'll answer it slowly. Formatting isn't easy.
On January 22 2013 23:29 Djodref wrote:
Another thing not speaking in favor of JieXian is his activity level. He had at least 3 pages at the end of D1 in Witchcraft Mini Mafia (town JieXian filter in WC MM) where he was much more annoying and persistent with his reads. I didn't see him here promote anybody of his own by the way.
Fair point, but do note that during D1 I had a townie read on the person that was about to be lynched and I was going crazy. This game, D1 went smoothly as a strong townie looking player (giving him the BOTD because I respect the skills of a vet) was getting mayor and lynching the right guy. As I said earlier, my vote on him was a no brainer and everything was crystal clear. And it was great too that it turned out that I was right about the lynch at least.
On January 22 2013 23:55 Djodref wrote:
@ Oats
Well, I was trying to point out JieXian contradiction. The reason JieXian invokes for not voting Vivax as mayor implies that Vivax is town (him having bad reads and all). But JieXian said before that he was suspicious of Vivax, so I don't understand why he needs this reason not to vote him, and it also looks like JieXian was referring to a town Vivax at this point.
So, maybe a scumslip.
You read it wrongly.
I'm not sure if he's very angry or scum or very very stupid. I'm not sure if he's scum or town. If he's scum and he gets mayor, he can get away with his scum reads more easily because everybody (vets) thinks he's a bad tunnelling townie.
How would the fact that it is his first Mayor game explain his strange first post ? I think he is playing the newbie card here somehow. Please also note the passive-aggressive way he answers to sandroba, saying that sandroba is attacking him because JieXian was suspicious of him first.
I found sandroba's attacks to be quite stupid, in addition to how he ignores everyone elsehence my attitude.My claim that it's my first Mayor game was addressing the fact that people found my question scummy. Gonzaw was the towniest guy at that time and as I said I could change my vote any time and I didn't even vote yet and I really changed it later. A Vet should know that early game votes mean nothing much.
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@palmar that attack was indeed weird but the subsequent posting doesn't feel mafia oriented to me. Actually plenty of the quotes you posted are kinda townie, freaking out about how you are getting so many votes is one of them. His stutters being mafia read is okay with me, his gonzaw being mafia read is kinda weird I guess, but I've thought about it as well.
I'd much prefer to lynch into annul/bke/stutters tomorrow. Looking at how things have gone yesterday an inactive mafia team looks much more likely.
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Also if you jail sandro you basically have the same thing happen, but if sandro is scum it's a bit worse. Not by much, though.
It's almost always better to jail sandro in this case over FT. jailing FT makes no sense at all.
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On January 23 2013 03:16 sandroba wrote:
@palmar that attack was indeed weird but the subsequent posting doesn't feel mafia oriented to me. Actually plenty of the quotes you posted are kinda townie, freaking out about how you are getting so many votes is one of them. His stutters being mafia read is okay with me, his gonzaw being mafia read is kinda weird I guess, but I've thought about it as well.
I'd much prefer to lynch into annul/bke/stutters tomorrow. Looking at how things have gone yesterday an inactive mafia team looks much more likely.
JieXian is no longer on your list? mkfuba?
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mkfuba looks better for voting you early on when you were set on lynching prpl. JX is slowly heating up in my heart. I think those three fit the mold much better and are safer choices.
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On January 23 2013 03:20 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:16 sandroba wrote:
@palmar that attack was indeed weird but the subsequent posting doesn't feel mafia oriented to me. Actually plenty of the quotes you posted are kinda townie, freaking out about how you are getting so many votes is one of them. His stutters being mafia read is okay with me, his gonzaw being mafia read is kinda weird I guess, but I've thought about it as well.
I'd much prefer to lynch into annul/bke/stutters tomorrow. Looking at how things have gone yesterday an inactive mafia team looks much more likely. JieXian is no longer on your list? mkfuba?
Both Sandro and I agree that it makes no sense to lynch into mkfuba / JX right now with both of them voting you d1. I had JX down as "probably mafia" in my sheet but Annul is as well and I don't see a reason to lynch into any of mkfuba/JX before lynching Annul, maybe BKE.
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Addressing Vivax's case
Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:
*snipped axle coherency comment*
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
*question to host and gonzaw vote*
*Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote:
*snip
Seems like sandro flipped scum again.
Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote:
Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread:
1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign.
2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions.
It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps.
There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote:*snip* Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote:This needs answers: On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote:I have questions, too: - gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do. Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote:
@JieXian
Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him?
Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor?
@ Clarity
When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good. I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:49 Vivax wrote:Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I was looking for an answer, and this is it? You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:50 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: You think that was scummy behaviour, you didn't express your belief of me being scum yet. Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?
A lot of my early game questions were simple questions to help me read. It's my first time playing with the vets and I know nothing about them. Asking for Toad's stance on them will help me and moreover I can get a read off Toad himself. In a vaccumm I might have lynched either Vivax or Sandro but people are complex. I kept asking the other vets too on what they think about each other. It helps me read everyone.
It's fucking D1, my job is to gather information about everybody.
Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?
How many times do I have to repeat this until it sinks in?
I THINK YOU ARE AN IDIOT WHO MAKES BAD READS. Either that or you're scum acting dumb. Or you're mad. So I'm trying not be emotional like I used to be with every previous game I've played in and tell myself that dumb arguments aren't necessarily scummy.
You gave me an irrefutable excuse that you were sleeping. Even if I didn't believe you, arguing with you there will not lead anywhere.
"YOURE NOT SLEEPING" "IAM" "NO YOURE NOT" " YES I AM DUMBFUCK"
I explained my mayorial votes earlier
I'd like to add that I'm not alone in thinking you're / may be an idiot. Toad thinks so too and I'm sure the vets do.
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When I say people are idiots I mean "people behave like idiots".
I'm not a mean person, or at least it's not intended to be mean but rather my approach on a current situation / happening ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok well Im thinking that at least one of the 4 mayor candidates yesterday is scum. And I think that the scum is Gonzaw. Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote:
I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/
I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means
I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing.
Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. Then never mentions Axle again.
That's, first of all, a lie, since I do remember asking Axle some questions and even responding to him.
Second of all, I didn't feel the need to address him that much last day, with the way he played I felt I should put my focus on other players, specially since it seemed he was being somewhat active in the thread and discussions (even if I couldn't fully understand what he's saying at times).
Third, how does that make me scum?
You can't be doing a PBPA just mentioning stuff about someone's play and somehow say that means he's scum. That's easy, that's lazy, and that's what scum do.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative.
Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something.
Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass.
This reads as, Scummy, not scummy, meh I dont know. And then again, never questions Vivax at all.
No, it reads as,
Strange/weird, slightly scummy, has some other townie aspects in his play though that make me have a town gut feeling on him though.
You better actually read my filter though. "Never questions Vivax at all"....? How is this either true, or relevant?
I mentioned later Vivax's "all or nothing" play seemed more likely to be town, so it was better to just ignore all the shit he was saying and tell him to stop it.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:48 gonzaw wrote:On January 20 2013 18:32 sandroba wrote:
What questions are those? About not wanting to run? I don't have a satisfatory answer, I simply decided this pre game and has nothing to do with alignment. Well.........*sigh* I kind of feel this is "obvious scum sandroba", but obviously until he actually has the time to do something useful to town we can't do much about it :/ What kind of makes me "mad" about the "obvious scum vets" in games, is how people always let them be. Like, this happened with scum Foolishness in like 2 consecutive games where he lived until D5 or something. Either people ignore them, or say "meh, he could be town and thus could be an asset". These kind of people are so "obvious" scum (in a matter of speaking of course) when they roll scum and nobody does anything about it :/ I'd said sandro is one of those (maybe Palmar as well, although slightly less), based on the games I've obsed with him being scum (and Liar Game of course, where he lived...wait for it...until D5). I get the "if he's actually town he can be an asset" idea many people have.....but if he's just screaming scum at your face you can't try bullshitting your way out of that. Mentions Sandro and that he might be scum and AGAIN doesnt pressure him or nothing, not like you would do with your scum reads.
....did you actually read my filter?
I'll assume you didn't and wait until you do.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:51 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, it seems funny to me that SO many people "voted" in this thread, yet there are like only 3 votes in the voting thread :/
This applies to Clarity, JieXian and others who put "##Vote: xxx" in here.
Is it that hard to find the Voting thread in the main page? Random post that doesnt help anyone and is fluff but he phrases it like it is alignment indicative whether people vote in the Voting thread. Throwing suspicion subtly.
No, it's not alignment-indicative, but it is stupidity-indicative.
It was just a passing comment about people seemingly forgetting how to play the game correctly, I didn't attribute anything alignment-related to that.
Again I fail to see how this makes me scum.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:52 gonzaw wrote:
Djoref, what do you think of Stutters? I didn't really notice you mentioning him that much.
Also, do you think Clarity has more chances of flipping scum than Oats or Stutters or maybe even sandro, etc? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:03 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
Oh well nevermind.
Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter. Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
How does that make sense in a mayor election D1? :/
At that time there wasn't many mentions of those guys so I wanted some more feedback on them. Of course the both get better reads on them (if someone else finds something about their play for instance), and to get some discussion going.
Like, imagine I am scum for a moment, would I be so blunt as to just ask people about those guys to decide to "push" them and lynch those 2 like that out of nowhere?
Doesnt post about what the prp flip means to the reads that he has on the mayor and the people who pushed his lynch. Also, seems weird for a townie post. Therefore, out of the runners, I think that GONZAW is scum.
After the flip I felt a little relieved so decided to leave the thread to keep watching that movie I was watching, and then go to sleep. Didn't have any "sudden change of mind" that I'd feel I'd post.
My read on Five wouldn't change much, other than yeah after successful D1 lynch he obviously is pretty much town, but assuming he's syllo his play after mid-D1 made that kind of apparent anyway, so it's not like I'd change my read of the mayor.
This feels like a seriously lazy PBPA. He just randomly points out posts from my filter out of context and says "yeah this means he's scum" without any decent reasoning.
I could see maybe someone paranoid about the other candidates just straight up say "well, one of the mayor candidates must be scum...wait what if it's gonzaw? OMG I SOLVED THE GAME!" and get a little overexcited....but surely he wouldn't make a case this bad would he?
He wouldn't make a case this bad and just...leave it there.
I dunno why some of you guys think this case makes him townie because he "didn't go against annul or Chezinu".
First of all there's a chance he has a scumbuddy in that group, and he could have thought this was a safer way for him to "focus his activity".
Second, we are also forgetting about other "mayor candidates". If you count annul as a "serious mayor candidate", then you should count Clarity as well, and maybe Djoref, yamato, etc.
He did seem to "improve" his play recently, at least he's not screaming and swearing at everything every time; but it's not like I wouldn't expect such a slight change of play from scum that nearly got lynched D1.
I think it's likely there were 2 scum on the chopping block on D1, and scum couldn't do anything about it.
I'd expect the scum team to be relatively inactive or without participation last day, which basically exonerates Vivax/yamato/austin/Toad/etc from my eyes.
I still support an Oats lynch D2, but I guess I wouldn't mind an annul or stutters lynch.
Right now I just woke up so I haven't reread those too thoroughly yet, but gut tells me they are both likely scum anyways.
Stutters didn't have any involvement in the thread at all, and I don't remember him posting anything after being "called out" by me/austin.
annul just doesn't seem to be giving a shit for being considered a "vet".
If I had to take a guess at a scum team right now it'd be Oats+annul+Stutters+some inactive, like grush/BKE or maybe Clarity.
There's still the chance I'm wrong about some of them though, most likely, but if you put a gun against my head I'd kill those right now.
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On January 23 2013 03:04 sandroba wrote:
@Oats I see you defended quite a bit of people already, but I don't really see who are your suspects. Can you please tell me who you think the mafia team might be with your reasoning?
@JX I think the same applies to you, can you do the same?
I honestly can't imagine what the mafia team might be doing at this stage because of all the possibilities and this being my first Normal game, only played minis before.
I have weak suspicions on a few people but I had something that stands out from debears. He's uninvolved like a few other people but I can't understand this at all and no one has given me an input yet:
On January 22 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:Austin sorry your case just looked waaay weaker to me now that Bugs posted his argument against yours and I'm voting for 5touch >_> Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred I don't know why you're worried at all, beacuse he doesn't have any votes for now and everyone seems to think he's too stupid to be mafia except for 1 person. How could you have missed out the candidates with the highest number of votes : FiveTouch, Chezinu I find that fake paranoia scummy.
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I don't find Vivax's case convincing to be honest.
I skimmed it when he first posted it and it didn't convince me then either.
I guess the most "damning" thing in the case is Jiexian asking random questions, but some stuff about "following up the questions", or the first stuff about him "agreeing" with me, seems like nitpicking.
I don't really think JX should be a D2 lynch candidate.
On January 23 2013 02:32 JieXian wrote:
gonzaw : Started out good but ended up babbling to himself and giving empty promises. Don't trust him with reads and may be scum
What do you mean by this Jiexian?
I don't remember giving any empty promises.
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I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response.
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I get better vibes out of sandro after that chat log.
Even though I'm not comfortable with him being this lazy, something tells me he'd try and be more active as scum, at least slightly.
Like, Toad instantly masons him as soon as D1 starts, and they start chatting. This already gives Toad some "activity" from sandro, but sandro doesn't feel the need to "channel" that activity in the thread?
I'd think scum sandro, when finding (likely town) Toad mason contacted him, and they started talking, he'd try to mirror that activity in the thread.
Also, as I suspected pretty early, sandro being mason with someone would explain some lack of effort from him, since some of that effort would be spent in the mason chat (don't really know how much time you guys chatted though).
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On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response.
this exactly.
On a sidenote for medics: Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro.
I'm not going to tell you my target.
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On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response.
But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest.
Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum").
That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all.
Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme".
Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town 
I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all.
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On January 23 2013 03:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest. Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum"). That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all. Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme". Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all.
well yeah, maybe.
Thing is we need one guy lynched tomorrow. I see no reason to lynch into those guys that have those kind of things that might or might not be worth something as a towntell. Doesn't have to be towntell, but why not just lynch the guy that doesn't have those aspects in the first place.
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Also:
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum
Well, if ALL the mayoral candidates are town, then this feels exactly like a "cornered scum" would do.
I mean, if ALL of me+Toad+austin+Chez+Five are town, then it'd make sense for scum to make townies suspicious of the mayoral candidates.
If he attacks me, he is still implicitly saying "There IS a scum in the mayoral candidates"; which even if he somehow manages to misslynch me or I die at some point or anything happens, it still means that he'll likely pursue that previous idea as well, maybe targeting Chez or austin later.
It may be a stretch, and assuming all mayor candidates being town is dangerous, but I certainly see it as a possibility
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Someone please tell me what they think about that fake paranoia by debears
On January 23 2013 03:46 gonzaw wrote:I don't find Vivax's case convincing to be honest. I skimmed it when he first posted it and it didn't convince me then either. I guess the most "damning" thing in the case is Jiexian asking random questions, but some stuff about "following up the questions", or the first stuff about him "agreeing" with me, seems like nitpicking. I don't really think JX should be a D2 lynch candidate. Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 02:32 JieXian wrote:
gonzaw : Started out good but ended up babbling to himself and giving empty promises. Don't trust him with reads and may be scum What do you mean by this Jiexian? I don't remember giving any empty promises.
My candidacy is based on these 2 things:
1)I'll try to establish my innocence as much as I can
2)I'll try my best to hunt scum today, and everyday from now on
It's nothing too serious. I didn't think you were scumhunting well. Take 5Touch for example, he was really active and doing well. The main reason I changed my mind about you was that you started to babble more and more =(
In my mind you went from townie to null/unsure as the game progressed.
On January 23 2013 03:39 Toadesstern wrote:
When I say people are idiots I mean "people behave like idiots".
I'm not a mean person, or at least it's not intended to be mean but rather my approach on a current situation / happening ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
wtf this is mafia people call each other idiots all the time. Be a man ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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