Well, I have to believe you on that 5touch, I just filter read him when questions came up and thought that it was pretty townie.
However, I didnt take him seriously as a candidate for lynch in the beginning because you were pushing me, with prp mainly as an afterthought.
With prome getting mislynched in Dessert, and he didnt try to save his skin by pushing just anyone that isnt himself, I thought that it was good play. So I didnt want to just try and convince you to vote prp instead of me because I thought he was town.

FiveTouch

Marshall Islands1474 Posts

January 22 2013 14:57 GMT

#1222

Axlegreaser, I asked you a question and I don't expect it to be ignored:

On January 22 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:

A question for you Axle - given you were so against electing a smurf on the basis of readability, how does this line up with your decision to support Chezinu, another player notoriously difficult to read?

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

January 22 2013 15:02 GMT

#1223

Hmm I must say their mason chat log, went very different to how I thought I would do a chat if i was mason.

Its hard, they know each other obviously, which does remove a lot of formalities out of the equation.

As for guaranteed comments; its about consolidation, you need trust in the mayor, and using those comments is meant to be subtle confidence booster for you that the right decision was made. I wouldnt read too much into . Your not meant to judge the guy off one line in a post. Your meant to judge by his actions.

Hes dead right in what he said before. He was one of the (few) vets to broach the vet/non-vets; and I think has been transparent in his reads that he has shared. Couple that with the confidence boosters, and we have a leader who knows how to lead Axle.

Vivax

22407 Posts

January 22 2013 15:11 GMT

#1224

@ Djodref

I like your case , I will support an annul lynch tomorrow if JX doesn't get lynched.
I kinda had my doubts about you to be honest, but your latest contributions made me change my mind.

I am also quite interested in debears and mkfuba for their lurky, passive-aggressive style, we shouldn't forget Chezinu either for trying to stop Toad from being elected. What do you think about them?

Going to a birthday, I'll be back one or two hours before deadline.

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:36 GMT

#1225

I see less possibility in Annul being town than I do in JX being town, much for the same reason Djo expressed, that JX is lynchbait as town.

I would prefer if we lynched Annul tomorrow.

Djodref

France3332 Posts

January 22 2013 15:37 GMT

#1226

On January 23 2013 00:11 Vivax wrote:
@ Djodref

I like your case , I will support an annul lynch tomorrow if JX doesn't get lynched.
I kinda had my doubts about you to be honest, but your latest contributions made me change my mind.

I am also quite interested in debears and mkfuba for their lurky, passive-aggressive style, we shouldn't forget Chezinu either for trying to stop Toad from being elected. What do you think about them?

Going to a birthday, I'll be back one or two hours before deadline.

I think Chezinu is town because of the Chezinu rule ^^
Also I think we should wait for D3 or more simply for him being killed if he is town to decide what to do with him.
I'm waiting for debears to contribute more. He is supposed to have a meta case against me. Slightly scummy, but mainly for being not active. While it is true it was the case in LVIII, I don't think he would do the same as in that game again.
I didn't pay any attention to mkfuba so far, and I don't remind his posts, which is not a good sign. But I'll do that tomorrow

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:42 GMT

#1227

On January 22 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:

Show nested quote +

There really is no reason for a mafia mayor to lynch one of his team-mates on Day 1. An often neglected aspect of mafia lynches on Day 1 especially is that it gives a large amount of information on a lot of players in the game. There's far more to be gleaned from a mafia flip than a town flip, so the lynch isn't just about me, it's about all the players.

I pushed my candidates in an open and transparent way, and perhaps even more importantly I managed to close the chasm that was threatening to open between the more experienced and the newer players.

I'll continue to play in the same vein, and people can continue to judge me on my play, but there is no reason to think I could be mafia.

A question for you Axle - given you were so against electing a smurf on the basis of readability, how does this line up with your decision to support Chezinu, another player notoriously difficult to read?

Just as an added bonus to anyone still with doubts about FT, I have arrived at the same conclusion that he wants you to arrive to in this post for the same reasons he gives. If you think I am town, you should trust FT/Palmar/GMarshal/Syllo/Foolishness, even despite the fact that he is smurf. His play suggests nothing but veteran town leader.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

January 22 2013 15:43 GMT

#1228

Djo, can you explain how the Chezinu rule makes Chezinu town?

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:47 GMT

#1229

The question is, why do you think Chez might be scum?

I don't.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

January 22 2013 15:48 GMT

#1230

Yamato, why did you feel the need to answer that question?

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:52 GMT

#1231

On January 23 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, why did you feel the need to answer that question?

To express my general disinterest for muddying the waters talking about a nearly unreadable player who was on the right side of the lynch, albeit for his own strangely accurate reason.

Unless you think that something he has done suggests that he is mafia, there's little reason to question him over the other people that Toad and I listed.

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:54 GMT

#1232

Honestly, why do you keep questioning me like the things I'm doing are worth questioning?

If you're thinking about the possibility of me being mafia you're just grasping at straws.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

January 22 2013 15:54 GMT

#1233

Was it aimed at you? I dont think so.
Was it even aimed at learning more about Chez? I dont think so.

Djodref

France3332 Posts

January 22 2013 15:56 GMT

#1234

On January 23 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo, can you explain how the Chezinu rule makes Chezinu town?

Chezinu had prplhz quite early as scum because of the "Chezinu rule". He was campaigning on a prplhz lynch as well by the way. So either town Chezinu genuinely used his rule to nail prplhz as scum, either they plotted this together, but I don't even see how it could have helped Chezinu to get the mayor or sheriff seat for real the way it happens. It's not like prplhz would be confirmed scum before the flip.
Anyway, we should keep it simple, so Chezinu is most certainly town, and on top of that there is nothing making think he could be mafia in his filter (it is rather the opposite), and anyway we shouldn't care too much about him since he is usually starting to help town or whatever he does as scum starting D3 or later.

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:56 GMT

#1235

On January 23 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Was it aimed at you? I dont think so.
Was it even aimed at learning more about Chez? I dont think so.

What do you think a question about Chezinu is going to reveal about Djo's alignment?

Why do you seem to be suggesting that I am defending Djodref when I think he is quite possibly mafia?

Please think before you post.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

January 22 2013 15:59 GMT

#1236

I am this close to screaming my head off yamato, thank you.
Gonna ignore what you said until it makes sense.

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 15:59 GMT

#1237

Djodref what do you think about Oats?

Djodref

France3332 Posts

January 22 2013 15:59 GMT

#1238

On January 23 2013 00:56 yamato77 wrote:

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@ yamato

You still think I could be mafia ?
Anything I've done yesterday that have confirmed your read ?

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 22 2013 16:02 GMT

#1239

On January 23 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am this close to screaming my head off yamato, thank you.
Gonna ignore what you said until it makes sense.

I'm just trying to ascertain what it is you're attempting to do.

Djodref

France3332 Posts

January 22 2013 16:05 GMT

#1240

On January 23 2013 00:59 yamato77 wrote:
Djodref what do you think about Oats?

I think he has done better lately. He showed that he could be open-minded and participates in the discussion.
He is also trying to figure things out and presents original reads, like his case on gonzaw.
The fact that he is hanging out in the thread right now is a good sign for me. So I'm less sure about my previous scum read on him.
I don't think we should lynch him tomorrow. We have bigger fish to fry and we need to give him the chance to redeem himself by improving his contributions if he is town.