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Toadesstern
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Annul Lynch him or Shoot him I think you should lynch annul tomorrow. I'm pretty sure annul is scum now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that town annul is a good and experienced player, so I don't understand how he can make a post against Toad which is basically an association before flip here. On January 21 2013 12:44 annul wrote: also, toad's read on vivax is pretty questionable. vivax is playing very not-pro-town right now and toad literally thinks he is "the second most confirmed town, next to himself?" waaaaaaaaaat he is slightly more on the red side of the spectrum for me right now. he accounts for like 12% of the game's posts right now, and he has put a lot of information on the table. if i am right and toad is red, it is certain that he has linked himself to other reds in the game based on his day 1 play. *snip* Also, I think that he is pretty biased regarding his read on Vivax, because he mainly focused on the "OMGUS" proposition of Vivax to lynch JieXian too much, and after that his suspicion of yamato. Things escalated pretty quickly for annul. On January 21 2013 12:34 annul wrote: as for vivax, hes tunneling the shit out of jiexian for some reason (OMGUS-based for sure)... runs for mayor, saying "i will lynch d1 who i want even if town wants someone else" and then randomly votes for sandroba for mayor soon thereafter, who isnt even running? then, yamato calls him out (like i did), and even more recently, vivax now wants to lynch yamato. does this guy do anything other than OMGUSing? On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote: conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity I think a decent case could have been made against Vivax if annul was really convinced that Vivax is mafia because there was enough content in Vivax's filter already at that point. So I don't think annul really thinks Vivax is scum, I think that annul found a convenient tunnel. Let's face it, he was running for mayor, but Vivax or Toad being lynched at the end of D1 was not reasonable objective. It's really suspicious also that he avoided to comment on prphlz or anything else really. Conclusion Annul is scum because
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm still waiting for your meta case on me. I'm very curious to see what you are going to come up with because I'm town. Moreover, I think that all my games are different so far. Especially my scum games.. And don't worry, I don't think that you are going to be killed for it  | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
He is back to the grey are of the lurkers in my sheet, with BroodExe and grush ^^ | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 22 2013 16:01 DearestSnot wrote: Also it's pretty townie of Oats to call out debears like he just did. This is lazy and incorrect. It's extremely easy for anyone of any alignment to call out someone posting nonsense. How you read this as pretty townie is baffling, bugs. On January 22 2013 15:49 DearestSnot wrote: Mocsta you should read more carefully. Oats was against electing FT because FT wanted to kill him. Upon rereading and looking back at things I actually think Oats is town. Anyone agree? As soon as FT is back perhaps he can explain further why he thinks Oats actually looks worse, because I disagree on that. Please explain in detail why you believe this to be the case. I can find few, if any, redeeming features for Oatsmaster. I would specifically like sandroba's thoughts on this. Oatsmaster has attacked me twice since the deadline, when there is no basis for doing so: On January 22 2013 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters? I attacked you earlier because you wanted to lynch me. I dont see how you being townie means that I am all nice to you when you want to lynch me. Its not a contridication, now it looks like you are making things up in order to discredit me for whatever reason. On January 22 2013 17:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you think that 5touch is Palmer, when he said that he wasnt palmer? Has that influenced your read on 5touch? Given I'm pretty much guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place. On January 22 2013 18:12 Toadesstern wrote: Actually screw what I said about JX earlier... he was voting palmar when he openly stated he's going to lynch prplhz. That's not a mafia. I don't believe this is a correct way of approaching things. JieXian voted for me late - my mayorship was almost 100% guaranteed by the time JieXian gave me his vote. You could think of it as a late bus on a mafia wagon that was already in the lead. I'm hoping to find the time to re-read Day 1 to find the point where my candidacy was assured, or at least very likely. The reactions of mafia are likely to change throughout the day. I would like everybody to read Vivax's case on JieXian, made shortly before the deadline. Please tell me why you agree or disagree, and what conclusions you have. debears - you were part of the fiasco that was LVIII, yet your contributions remain mostly unproductive. Please step it up so that we don't risk repeating such events in this town. Now is the time for your Djodref case, or indeed any case. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 22 2013 22:12 FiveTouch wrote: A couple of things for the moment. This is lazy and incorrect. It's extremely easy for anyone of any alignment to call out someone posting nonsense. How you read this as pretty townie is baffling, bugs. Please explain in detail why you believe this to be the case. I can find few, if any, redeeming features for Oatsmaster. I would specifically like sandroba's thoughts on this. Oatsmaster has attacked me twice since the deadline, when there is no basis for doing so: Given I'm pretty much guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place. I don't believe this is a correct way of approaching things. JieXian voted for me late - my mayorship was almost 100% guaranteed by the time JieXian gave me his vote. You could think of it as a late bus on a mafia wagon that was already in the lead. I'm hoping to find the time to re-read Day 1 to find the point where my candidacy was assured, or at least very likely. The reactions of mafia are likely to change throughout the day. I would like everybody to read Vivax's case on JieXian, made shortly before the deadline. Please tell me why you agree or disagree, and what conclusions you have. debears - you were part of the fiasco that was LVIII, yet your contributions remain mostly unproductive. Please step it up so that we don't risk repeating such events in this town. Now is the time for your Djodref case, or indeed any case. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 22 2013 22:12 FiveTouch wrote: Given I'm pretty much guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place. On the basis of Lynching Scum D1 I take it? I know its uber ballsy as a scum Bus for Mayor to Lynch a team mate but..., but doesn't the 3 vote situation kind of level that? Are there any conditions under which you would no longer be "guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place." Just asking for your reasoning and any limits you have on your new status. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On January 22 2013 22:38 AxleGreaser wrote: EBWOP On the basis of Lynching Scum D1 I take it? I know its uber ballsy as a scum Bus for Mayor to Lynch a team mate but..., but doesn't the 3 vote situation kind of level that? Are there any conditions under which you would no longer be "guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place." Just asking for your reasoning and any limits you have on your new status. Axle, I know you inherently complicate matters. FYI, I thought about the bus situation for town cred as well.. but... I dunno I just get this feeling from FiveTouch. He's what I was trying to be in the Newbie games but obviously knows what hes doing. I also know all the newbs wouldnt vote me, but kept saying I was this scum mastermind when I was just trying to be pro-town. (bit like yourself in this game to FT). so im willing to concede if he scum hats off to him I just got schooled majorly; and thus the conclusion: to me the best course of action is to go hes fuckning pro-town as and accept it and support him. Theres better scum targets out there to use your time on. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 22 2013 22:38 AxleGreaser wrote: EBWOP On the basis of Lynching Scum D1 I take it? I know its uber ballsy as a scum Bus for Mayor to Lynch a team mate but..., but doesn't the 3 vote situation kind of level that? Are there any conditions under which you would no longer be "guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place." Just asking for your reasoning and any limits you have on your new status. There really is no reason for a mafia mayor to lynch one of his team-mates on Day 1. An often neglected aspect of mafia lynches on Day 1 especially is that it gives a large amount of information on a lot of players in the game. There's far more to be gleaned from a mafia flip than a town flip, so the lynch isn't just about me, it's about all the players. I pushed my candidates in an open and transparent way, and perhaps even more importantly I managed to close the chasm that was threatening to open between the more experienced and the newer players. I'll continue to play in the same vein, and people can continue to judge me on my play, but there is no reason to think I could be mafia. A question for you Axle - given you were so against electing a smurf on the basis of readability, how does this line up with your decision to support Chezinu, another player notoriously difficult to read? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Im really confused about Vivax case, he rambles a lot and doesnt conclude at all, doesnt tell a story on how JX is scum, just links a few posts and summary. Seems like basically his case rests on the fact that JX isnt following up. Which after reading his filter, I dont agree with. I think that JX is town. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 22 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Well 5touch, I asked the question to gauge Toads reaction, nothing to do with my read on you, I already said I think you are town. Im really confused about Vivax case, he rambles a lot and doesnt conclude at all, doesnt tell a story on how JX is scum, just links a few posts and summary. Seems like basically his case rests on the fact that JX isnt following up. Which after reading his filter, I dont agree with. I think that JX is town. I'm happy to give you a fair hearing and not condemn you out of hand, Oats. On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be. He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game. Vote: Austinmcc This was your reasoning for liking the push on Stutters. Would you argue that prplhz contributed in any meaningful way? I made it clear that prplhz showed a complete lack of interest in town affairs, and this is also clear from his filter. What did you see as town in prplhz, as opposed to the mafia in Stutters? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
So, regarding Vivax case + Show Spoiler [here for reference] + On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: *snipped axle coherency comment* I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. *question to host and gonzaw vote* *Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote: *snip Seems like sandro flipped scum again. Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote: I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote: Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? Vivax shows that this stance was certainly fake, because JieXian doesn't show consistency with this first stance. One other thing I noted is that JieXian implied that Vivax was town in this post, when he says the reasons why he is not going to vote for Vivax. For me, being suspicious of one guy is a good reason enough not to vote him, but JieXian justifies himself by saying that Vivax has bad reads. So Vivax is town, but wouldn't be a good mayor because he has bad reads, not because he is scum, as JieXian should believe. I think we have kind of a scumslip here. On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. From the same post, his defense from sandroba attack is also very scummy. On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. [b]Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. *snip* How would the fact that it is his first Mayor game explain his strange first post ? I think he is playing the newbie card here somehow. Please also note the passive-aggressive way he answers to sandroba, saying that sandroba is attacking him because JieXian was suspicious of him first. Another thing not speaking in favor of JieXian is his activity level. He had at least 3 pages at the end of D1 in Witchcraft Mini Mafia (town JieXian filter in WC MM) where he was much more annoying and persistent with his reads. I didn't see him here promote anybody of his own by the way. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
I would like everybody to read Vivax's case on JieXian, Please tell me why you agree or disagree, and what conclusions you have. I dont like these posts, you do NOT want 21 opinions on this. Here is mine anyway. Its late i will make start, and that leaves room for other to make original interpretations too. It is too me rather innocuous puddle in terms of things not to say for now as well. Fundamentally, I noted at the time that Vivax, made campaign post and vanished it struck me as Odd. I did not know about the time zone issue. its been a while but I think, I did see Gonzaws reads, they read as pokes and prods. As they were not strong scum pressuring I should stay out of the way of I could have done something if I wanted too but they seemed a bit whatever. Jiexan posted and after that (IIRC) I found out about the time zone and after a bit of back and forth with Vivax and I let it go as a misunderstanding. I did always have problem with how Vivax Jumped Sandrobas read on Jix and rode it hard. I have outstanding questions to Sandroba about How Sandroba views that seeming "hijacking" I wont thus say more about what I expect as answers about that. Jix does likes Gonzaws early feel reads and what are general suspiciousness of what seem like the right things to Jix. That is a feel read that Gonzaw is actually hunting scum even if the targets with more info turn up empty. My expectation is that Jix failing to tunnel those reads for ever is probably a good thing. I think although they were Gonzaws early throw down opinions and he moved on too. That is what happened to me when I find out Vivaxs time zone meant my first feel of surprising absence was quite null. I do however still note how hard Vivax rode Jix and I dont see it. To me its bad play or scum. I do perceive a diffuseness in Jix's, later questioning, however extrapolating from where I was at at that time, I was mayoral candidate focused. I am just thinking I probably had diffuse questioning too. There are many people, they are often not here, some just wont answer. I don't have the clout to Lynch them esp in the middle of a mayoral debate. Jix may have had the same problems. Being sure of that is hard and would take serious looking. I suspect that as all people who were not candidates did not throw down Lynch votes and there was not single place to view what wagons were indirectly running from whatever, was the leading candidate ata the time, it was a bad environment unfocussed environment for pleb townies to get a scum hunting focus in. This to Vivax is serious... Vivvax Quotes Jix: Why are you expecting me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explanation? and remembering (IIRC) the explanation was factual of the timezone thing. Vivax: Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? Well if Jixs candidate Vivax returned to not too scummy and there were other things to do. well yeah throw water on the miss and move on. Tunnels are us is not town either. | ||
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Vivax
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Do you think he's scummier than annul? @ Oats If you are confused by my case, then you should read it again. It rather confuses me that you summarize it like that and put it apart. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
I liked this question @Vivax Why are you running for mayor? All you say is "I might do this, I might do that, I don't like scum, vote for me." and it seems like you don't know why you are running for mayor either. Why would we put you into office over these vets that you're not going to lynch because of how valuable they are to town? It seemed to me that no one was picking up on Vivax and the fact that his town campaign was pretty fluffy, including me. I didnt think that scum prp would do that because it focuses the attention on you and causes your actions to be more scrutinized especially since people were rolling with Vivax until his disappearence IIRC. In general, his posting was light-hearted and seemed carefree, when scum would probably try to be a bit more cautious with their posting. His lynch Chezinu post was also pretty townie in the sense that he had nothing to back it up and would obviously be called out for it, and was just throwing it out there, seemingly to obtain reactions. Stutters was scum because: My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active. This post seems scummy to me because its not a reason not to be active. Day 1 reactions are good because its a time where you can see who is proactive and who isnt. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor. I also see this as subtly buddying Toad, same style = same alignment? Especially since its wrong in the sense that Toad outrightly spammed day 1 and stutters stood back and answered questions and defended himself. His whole filter just generally seems like he is on the back foot, reacting to stuff, rather than creating content and trying to find scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Djo So Vivax is town, but wouldn't be a good mayor because he has bad reads, not because he is scum, as JieXian should believe. You said this, JX said this we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. Seems like JX isnt voting Vivax mayor because he has bad reads. Which means your point is invaild. Unless I misunderstand you? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On January 22 2013 22:12 FiveTouch wrote: I would like everybody to read Vivax's case on JieXian, made shortly before the deadline. Please tell me why you agree or disagree, and what conclusions you have. I read the filter first. Cliff Notes
Thoughts on Vivax Case
Overall
If he was trying to be useless/inactive townie, he could have taken a much more subdued approach. Whilst not all these points are indicative of scum play individually; together, they sum to what I think is scum play. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 22 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp was town in my view because: I liked this question @Vivax Why are you running for mayor? All you say is "I might do this, I might do that, I don't like scum, vote for me." and it seems like you don't know why you are running for mayor either. Why would we put you into office over these vets that you're not going to lynch because of how valuable they are to town? It seemed to me that no one was picking up on Vivax and the fact that his town campaign was pretty fluffy, including me. I didnt think that scum prp would do that because it focuses the attention on you and causes your actions to be more scrutinized especially since people were rolling with Vivax until his disappearence IIRC. This sounds reasonable. The problem is that prplhz was the third post after Vivax's mayoral case, with Toad saying he won't vote Vivax, and Axle questioning Vivax. So your interpretation: It seemed to me that no one was picking up on Vivax and the fact that his town campaign was pretty fluffy, including me. is simply completely incorrect, given how early prplhz made that post, and the fact that the two posts preceding it were casting doubt on the Vivax campaign. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 22 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote: Axle, I know you inherently complicate matters. FYI, I thought about the bus situation for town cred as well.. but... I dunno I just get this feeling from FiveTouch. [. deletia..] and thus the conclusion: to me the best course of action is to go hes fuckning pro-town as and accept it and support him. Theres better scum targets out there to use your time on. I dont the feeling it was a bus either. Not from how it happened. yes that is obviously the best course of action for now unless it goes bad... quite bad. There are other targets but i just arc up at absolute "guaranteed" statements in a game such as this. I trust people that expect me to distrust them and act with the expectation I will. As soon as someone starts saying yeah no I am fine trust me, I dont. <<< I think thats good play. Providing i keep the noise down. That is also my problem with the Toad Sandroba logs I just don't see how either of them tested if the other was town. I saw this in LVIII when I believe Supersoft Meapak_Ziphh and foolish were masoned, but Mz was not wary enough of who he was talking to and got owned. Vets get owned by vets. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 22 2013 23:36 Vivax wrote: @ Djodref Do you think he's scummier than annul? @ Oats If you are confused by my case, then you should read it again. It rather confuses me that you summarize it like that and put it apart. @ Vivax JieXian could be a fucking lynch bait. He was town in WitchCraft Mini Mafia and I could write the perfect case against him (me being scum of course). But he is sure scummy enough to deserve a lynch in this game. The way he plays here is also different. He was really persistent and very frontal with his reads in WitchCraft. All in all, I think that annul has more chances to flip scum than JieXian, so I prefer to lynch annul tomorrow. @ Oats Well, I was trying to point out JieXian contradiction. The reason JieXian invokes for not voting Vivax as mayor implies that Vivax is town (him having bad reads and all). But JieXian said before that he was suspicious of Vivax, so I don't understand why he needs this reason not to vote him, and it also looks like JieXian was referring to a town Vivax at this point. So, maybe a scumslip. | ||
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