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yamato77
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 22 2013 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey guys, are you just ignoring my Gonzaw case? Because? It's actually somewhat likely that gonzaw is going to be shot if he's town. So really no need to talk about that right now if the next day might just reveal his alignment. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
When is the cycle ending? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I want some time to talk with Palmar about the bodyguards though and if it takes really long to announce those and it's like I only got 5 minutes to talk with him about it before the deadline I'll be really angry. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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yamato77
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Grush is a mason. Town or Mafia, I don't know, but he masoned me day 1. Right now, I am inclined to believe this was a mafia mason, however, because of how it went down. Original Message From grush57: Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something. I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you. I think gonzaw is townie, good posts. I don't like vivax. Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot. Those are the only two PMs that we have had between us since the start of the game. He never PMd me before that, nor after, despite having the mason channel at his disposal. What makes me think this is mafia mason more so than town is the fact that he wasn't trying to get a better read on me, he wasn't trying to plan anything with me, and he offered up a bare minimum of reads that look exactly like what I was posting at the time. Now, I doubt this because it goes in line with what grush was doing in the thread, which was basically nothing. I don't know if I can reasonably expect a town grush to use the mason channel to his advantage when he is barely even playing the game to begin with. Also I don't know why a mafia team would give mason powers to Grush, someone who probably wouldn't use it, and I have a hard time thinking of a good reason a mafia Grush picked me to mason with over a "safer" pick like Mocsta, or even Axle. I post this with the full knowledge that I am potentially outing a town mason, but I have no idea what to make of this situation, and perhaps town can make more sense of it. If mafia decides to shoot him because he's a mason, then at least we know his alignment for sure, and they used KP on a lurker instead of a more active townie. Grush's future mason choices knowing he is a mason ahead of time will not detract from its potential effectiveness if he is town, and if he is scum it's an advantage to the townies he masons with to be able to read him better from this little but if extra information. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
Quick few things: Toad, I assume you're jailing tonight. Consider jailing sandro. Medics, consider protecting me. That is all I have to say for now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 22 2013 17:54 DearestSnot wrote: hey I'm not gonna be back till later tomorrow, gonna sleep soon. Quick few things: Toad, I assume you're jailing tonight. Consider jailing sandro. Medics, consider protecting me. That is all I have to say for now. I'm actually considering to do bullshit in 99% of the cases with my n1 jail for the 1% chance of MAJOR BIG PLAYS. Sounds compelling to me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Apparently that happened in another game where JK jailed scum and blocked a vig hit on him. Just play simple Toad.... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Really need Palmar to get in here. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
How come me and axle would be safer mason choices? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
DERP ME: @Sandroba These in the quotes below, are Questions for You. Given the shortness of your filter please indicate if you even read this post? Sometimes i wonder. it is important to me to get your perspective as the events happened to you as such you know what you were thinking at the time and removes one variable. It also if your scum allows you to aim to mislead. please try. While responding irrelevant fluff pressure questions is a thing that players of skill simply dont do. There is point and i believe this is it, where helping the people who might outlive you is Townie thing to do Also if you happen to live long enough for the how come you not dead man questions to arise these help justify good intent despite your surprising long life if you catch my drift. its night there are risks use your judgment too. Pls. I believe these questions help me not scum, there are no real townie reads except on Toad who has AFAIK claimed something. On January 22 2013 14:41 AxleGreaser wrote: Things that may be done at night. There exist things i do not do + Show Spoiler + [20.01.2013 03:48:08] Erik: well you'll get shot if you're town... [20.01.2013 03:48:16] Sandro Maculan: sure [20.01.2013 03:48:22] Sandro Maculan: that's okay perhaps they are so obvious that is pointless policy but its mine as I simply dont know what is and isnt so obvious. So no perceived upside no speak, is my intent. (What i perform depends on skill and stuff.) Now that they are done there is the question of what I ought ask you tonight... + Show Spoiler [fluff context purpose] + The time stamps in those logs look pretty fast and furious, I like real life like conversation as they are what i have got "reads" ion in my real life, perhaps masoning when it happens will get me the real time conversations I can read intent in? BUT It would take serious work to effectively recreate the experience of that, so your recollections of your read, which may in time be confirmed to be townie, or your distraction and obtusification, if in time you get to be the other, would be appreciated. So what real time impression did Toad Give you. I have not noticed yet you even literally confirm them although it would be pretty much to dumb to be real to fake them while your alive in the hope you wont read them. BUT Specifically do the edits match what was claimed? I don't yet see where anywhere in that published part of the Mason thread that you pressured quizzed or in anyway determined it was town or scum mason talking to you. Did you? are you sure you were not just flattered? Where did your mind start bias wise when you got the mason contact? actual questions that reflect more on you? Also as you have not yet flipped.... do you see any contradiction between what the content of these Logs say, and what preconceptions toad setup in peoples mind with his analysis of what the logs would mean before he dumped them? Also as you have not yet Flipped. I find your lackadaisical approach concerning to me, especially if i don't know how hard you considered the questions above yet your apparent silence, lack of suspicion, seems to be being used as an endorsement of Toad? So I am left wondering how diligently are you playing with that short filter Earlier you made this read... on JieXian http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17577426 "I think this dude is scum. " Quite unequivocal, (hence townie maybe?) but where did that go? Well Vivax sheeped it Vivax Said shortly after: + Show Spoiler + Sandro already called out one of them = JieXian. That said, if sandro ran for mayor, I would elect him too. I like that read. Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be! and asked open ended for endorsement of your his Lynch? and say this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17577988 Did that raise suspicions with you, why not? Was it as the mayoral policy stated "My major influence in steering the outcome of a lynch will be applied to pressure people. No passive play with me, no feeling comfortable in easy bandwagons." I find the discrepancies alarming. Do you see any steering, non easy wagons or second thoughts. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
TLDR Sandroba could you please comment on what you made of the Mason communication and why. Could you please do it before you think your game will end. Some of have questions...see above | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
At the end of the day votes your Mayor vote was on, Austin This seemed to go against the flow a bit. Why such a good read on Austin, What did you see the others didnt? and why less of read on Toad? BTW This looks like a Toad Tunnel. Its not. I have found source of information that might dry up that has personal knowledge and skill, I want to be sure whatever effort Sandroba is prepared to put in before the end address questions those that live on want to know about. Sandroba has special information about Toad that I feel toad is relying on... but I dont see corroboration Also being so quiet is problematic. But hey I dont understand Clarity at all so shit happens?. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Furthermore 2 are linked (Annul / Chez) so it's actually only 6 imo. Why am I the only one here  | ||
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Vivax
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