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On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.
You expect people to consider your timezone when you have no location selected? Really?
Also, there have been plenty of mafia in past games who have simply posted a mayoral candidacy, weakly pushed it, and then given up. prplhz in XLVII comes to mind, though it's been so long since I've played in am election game that I can't think of any more off the top of my head.
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Bugs, read my first post. Just before the pic.
Gonna put my location cause someone is not reading.
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On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.
I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling.
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On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling.
It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point.
You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie.
But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim?
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Vivax
HOW IS SOMEONE VOTING YOU FOR MAYOR/SHERIFF A FUCKING TOWN TELL?>>?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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On January 22 2013 03:00 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:58 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 02:49 debears wrote:
Austin
Would you lynch stutters over sandroba right now? I would lynch stutters over sandroba right now + Show Spoiler +GAH, I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM STUTTER FOR A COUPLE POSTS BECAUSE I SAW THAT AND ASSUMED I WAS ADDING AN S. BAD WHOEVER CALLED HIM STUTTER, BAD! I would lynched stutters over anyone right now. I think it was Gonzaw, but whoever said they hate some vets getting leeway because "they always play like this" or "they'll be useful if they're town" was right. It's dumb, but we do it. I'm not even really looking at sandroba critically right now because I have that mindset. It's pointed out every game that he's lazy as scum, and he never seems to be NOT lazy as scum, but there's nothing he's doing that I'm worried about right now? He hasn't been SUPER active in the town games I've seen from him, bar bureaucracy I think. So for now he's just not on my radar as a strong read either way, and I'm not going to lynch someone who is in that position. That's...a weird set of two people for you to pick. So, you want to lynch a player who has known to barely contribute to town as town in his previous games (stutters) over a player who is highly respected as town and has not contributed (sandroba)? Why is that? META AND MISUSING META IS A PAIN IN THE ASS.
I think that stutters is mafia because of his play THIS GAME. THIS GAME. The one we're in. Here are my reasons for thinking so.
(1) His opening posts are VERY generic and add nothing.On January 20 2013 11:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Not going to bother running for anything since I'm terrible in the first day(and in general, but less so as it goes on) but I'll be placing my vote for mayor on whoever I have the best town read on (unless their plan seems terrible). Agreed on the voting a vet in. If nothing else they'll have enough meta/people have enough experience with them to get better reads off of their actions. "I will place my vote on my best town read." "I like the idea of voting for a vet for mayor."
On January 20 2013 12:33 Stutters695 wrote:
@Chezinu You promise these things if you're elected but what reason do we have to believe you? If your plan requires you not revealing anything that's all well and good but why should we put our faith in you?
Chezinu, a lot of people have been saying we can't trust you. So, I'd like to ask, how do we know we can trust you? (THESE QUESTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS)
(2) Small, but:On January 20 2013 11:55 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:27 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 11:23 Chezinu wrote:On January 20 2013 11:20 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 11:14 Chezinu wrote:On January 20 2013 11:10 austinmcc wrote:On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote:
I wanna see a serious chezinu. Mayor-Chezinu does not necessarily mean serious Chezinu. "I will be serious if mayor" Chezinu does not necessarily mean serious mayor Chezinu. If you want to vote him because you want him to have bodyguards and to have an extra vote, then by all means. But I don't think anyone should actually assume that Chezinu being mayor will mean anything about the way he plays. I must disagree. I believe Chezinu will play sanely. The only reason his plays with his brown methods is to survive. If he is already guaranteed to live then his play will certainly change. the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. It's just not a good situation to be in if you're mayor, no matter of your alignment unless you actually hit mafia d1 and I'm not willing to risk that without a proper read and having better / decent alternatives. Like I said, Sandro should be the #1 person to go to if he's town, he's really good as town but not so much as mafia. Shouldn't be too hard to figure him out if he starts posting It's basicly the same reasoning for why I'm not running That already happens. Mayors typically die early if they don't hit scum. That's why my advise was to let the mayor live for a while before murdering him(or her) too quickly. Read the previous game with mayors, it happens all to often. I know, I've been in some of them. Hence the statement that I'd rather not vote you and instead vote someone who's not a center of paranoia no matter of alignment, someone who is easy to read and good as town. Makes sense. If this is common however aren't we risking lynching someone who seems easy to read because they mislynched d1 unless they have nearly flawless town play? I wouldn't necessarily lynch them because of a d1 mislynch but if lynching the mayor is probable sometime early doesn't that add incentive to make the mayor someone hard to read side then they're forced into doing something that helps generate a read? Here is a long chain of posts, talking about Chezinu. Stutters finds Toad's argument to "make sense." To the extent that he asks an interesting question that GOES somewhere here, it's the idea that maybe we want to install a hard-to-read mayor, in hopes that the person wants folks to read them properly and will act in such a way that folks can read them.
That's...a weird thought, probably not how anyone would play, but oh well. It's the question he asked. However, does he follow up on that question at all? NO! The one mildly interesting thing I see in stutters's filter is a question with NO follow-up.
(3) To the extent you like "I'm doing x/looking at x/be right there guys" into "silence" as a scummy thing, On January 21 2013 03:20 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 00:31 austinmcc wrote:You also asked for scum reads. In terms of people I'm looking at: stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now. debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, lumpY I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage. Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else. Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. I'm catching up on the thread now. Catching up now guys!
(4) Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. As mentioned before, I found MYSELF in my first scum game having a hard time not answering suspicion like this. Townie: "I'm suspicious of you for x!" Me: "Well, sure I did x, but ... y." I think that as new scum it's difficult to deny something tiny that another person finds scummy. Your mileage may vary here, but the way he responded to a little bit of pressure did not feel townie to me, that "yes, but" is something I find scummy.
So that is THIS GAME. Those things took place here. That's the entirety of his posting. I want to lynch him because of that.
The meta stuff is NOT why I want to lynch him. The meta stuff is meant as a response to anyone saying "he looks scummy as town." As an outside observer grabbing old stutters games, that does not appear to be the case. I disagree with their assessment. I find that even in games where he was modkilled., he was active, he was asking REAL questions, he was making cases, giving votes, asking for OP updates, stuff that showed he was playing and moving the game forward. Again, he was playing and moving the game forward in games where he was eventually modkilled. That is not what I see in this game, and I don't agree with their assessment that he's some player who always looks scummy when town. They have a single game to go off of and legitimately believe that. I do not legitimately believe that.
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Actually scum might want to elect you if they can't elect one of their own, since electing you is far better than electing someone who is townier or scarier in that role.
It leaves more people open for them to simply shoot dead.
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Ok. Gotcha on the meta part austin
Still.
How can you honestly lynch stutters over Sandroba based on play this game? What more contribution has Sandroba brought to the table?
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On January 22 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point. You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie. But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim?
You are trading a vote on you for "townie points" to a person you were earlier suspicious of.
You explain away your half-assed mayoral campaign on time zone differences.
You justify your stupid OMGUS with shitty logic.
And to top it all off, you downplay your own ability to play the game in a situation where it is beneficial for people to think of you as less skilled.
Scum claim.
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Austin sorry your case just looked waaay weaker to me now that Bugs posted his argument against yours and I'm voting for 5touch >_>
On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote:On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:
## Vote Sandroba
If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use.
If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position.
Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position.
I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] +remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose? You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote:
Gonzaw
Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor?
Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred
I don't know why you're worried at all, beacuse he doesn't have any votes for now and everyone seems to think he's too stupid to be mafia except for 1 person.
How could you have missed out the candidates with the highest number of votes : FiveTouch, Chezinu
I find that fake paranoia scummy.
On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.
No one would bother to slowly dissect your long post for a time zone when your tag says US.
Don't need to give me a defense that was already mentioned, wth can't you even realise yet that I don't think it's very likely that you're scum? I was very worried about being too rude and pissing you off.
But I guess I should be clear: I think it's more likely that you didn't change from our first game rather than you being scum.
Cool story, if that's the only argument I think you just got lucky that game and you're townie then.
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On January 22 2013 03:13 DearestSnot wrote:
Actually scum might want to elect you if they can't elect one of their own, since electing you is far better than electing someone who is townier or scarier in that role.
It leaves more people open for them to simply shoot dead.
Exactly, for that reason, in addition to his overall trolly style, I think toad might be scum. What do you vets think?
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Caught up :D
I'm for an austin, FT, or gonzaw mayor (and sheriff). I think my vote will be switching over to FT though. Austin is the only one of them that I've played with before, so I felt more comfortable with him. However, I've agreed with everything FT's said, and I think he would be the best sheriff atm. I'm ignoring the fact that he's smurfing because I typically don't work on meta anyway, and I think he's a good player based on everything I've seen from him. I feel similarly about gonzaw (minus the smurfing bit), but FT feels like more of a constant to me (if that makes sense), which I think I value in a mayor.
As for who I think we should lynch today, I believe a prplhz lynch is best. I'm a bit troubled because iirc I always find prplhz scummy early, but every time I read one of FT's posts about him I'm re-convinced.
I'm going to try to start dealing with specifics instead of the generics I've been using to this point, since I feel like I finally have some kind of handle on the game XD
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Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag
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On January 22 2013 03:12 austinmcc wrote:(3) To the extent you like "I'm doing x/looking at x/be right there guys" into "silence" as a scummy thing, Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:20 Stutters695 wrote:On January 21 2013 00:31 austinmcc wrote:You also asked for scum reads. In terms of people I'm looking at: stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now. debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, lumpY I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage. Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else. Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. I'm catching up on the thread now. Catching up now guys!
I would note that for Stutters at least, this isn't really a tell of anything. He's hosting the upcoming newbie game:
On January 20 2013 09:22 Stutters695 wrote:
Welcome Slay/Ska. I'll edit you guys into the op when I get off work.
He did not do this.
This game has various similar offenders:
On January 21 2013 11:18 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Um, /confirm. Sorry I was out of the house yesterday, reading up.
On January 21 2013 08:35 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 08:10 Djodref wrote:On January 20 2013 23:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 20 2013 19:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Since you are running for mayor, is there anyone you would like to lynch right now ?
How do you plan to promote your campaign ? No there's no one I'd like to lynch yet. I'll promote my campaign by scumhunting and asking people to vote for me if they agree with reads I'm making. "But clarity you haven't made any reads!" Yep, true. Will have time to analyze stuff tonight, so far I've just read the thread to keep up. What's with all the questions djo, you seem to have this "scatterfire" approach where you ask a person 3-4 questions. It doesn't fit either of your metas @ ClarityAre you still around ? I think ”tonight” is over soon in your place, why did you fail to provode anything yet ? Life and things, but you know me, I stay up late generally. Currently reading
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On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:Quick analysis of Stutters in past games: Newbie XXVIStutters is a vigi. Active D1, not so much after that, gets a small amount of pressure. Says this being active was the anomaly? (That's what I got from a quick, quick filter dive). Noted that he had read past games, asked to have someone's filter added to the OP, had a plan for when and how he claimed as vigi. Shows me that he's read games, was actively reading/trying to read through this game (asking for filters to be added), and had a general game plan. Newbie XXVIIModkilled D2 for not voting. However, again shows signs of activity and ... playing the dang game - Filter. He gets on kush early, sees something and finds it scummy + asks questions. Then stays on kush. Follows up, asks more questions, even when he says he has become unsure on kush, he's still actively poking kush and trying to get a read. He also has Real Thoughts. There are others, but I've pulled that one out as a decent example. He's reading thread, gives his own opinion with reasoning to back it up, participates even in a game where he got modkilled later for not voting. Newbie XXVIIITown again. Modkilled again for not voting  . Based off the vote counts, he picked up 0 votes on D2 and 0 votes on D3, which leads me to believe that people DID NOT interpret him as scummy while being town. More short posts, a lot of "i have to go because of x" and "i'm back from x." Not nearly as much participation, not as much meat, but a little. Whose LineReplaced in. Basic thoughts. Seems to be getting pressured some. Responses have actual reasons. responds to some cases and pushes them forward. Did have suspicion on him. Did get mislynched. I wasn't in the game and didn't read along. Replaced into the game though, so I'm not giving this a ton of credence. YANMMAgain town. Survived til endgame. I see him having 1-2 votes for a couple days, but those votes were ONLY from bugs and vivax, and vivax was scum that game. Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. I DO NOT see the suspicion that Bugs mentioned, except in the two most recent games, and I don't see the votes corresponding with that suspicion in YANMM. It was just bugs and vivax. I DID NOT PLAY YANNM OR WHOSE LINE. I HAVE NOT FULLY READ THEM. NOR HAVE I READ ANY OTHER FULL STUTTERS GAME. However, in looking at his filters, I see much more play than here. When he's gone, he says so, comes back, fposts actual thoughts. He has suspicions, he makes cases, he is playing the game. Here, he has not played the game. His posts look like empty questions and nothing, which goes directly against his play in other games. I do not buy "he looks scummy as town" based on a replacement game and a game where only scum and bugs voted for him. Bugs, you're more than welcome to refute this and give me some other people who thought stutters was scummy, but upon scanning his past games I'm MORE convinced he's scum this game. Everyone else, there are the games he's played. You're welcome to check them for yourselves. I find stutters scummy this game, and more scummy after reading his other games.
Just woke up, but I've explained my poor d1 quite a bit in past games. I straight up don't know how to make myself useful (other than interacting with people when they question me. My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active.
You're attacking me for the same reasons I was attacked in YANMM.
You're also misrepresenting my past games (don't blame you side there is like 1 post game post about it in each and that's it).
In XXVI I got the dumb idea that playing kinda scummy until late game would work out since it'd be between me and one or two other lynch targets, I kill one, claim and win. Other modkill was clearly accidental (like an hour or thirty minutes between me unvoting and getting mod killed).
Those two were exceptions, don't expect me to get modkilled for not caring. You say I'm not playing like my previous games but you're excluding previous games because not enough people voted me? If you checked d1 from YANMM you'd see I only had like five posts d1. You'd also see that I wasn't getting any votes because debears claimed sk d2, we had two town modkills and I dismantled Vivax's case on me so when it came time to lynch one of us it obviously had to be him first. In whose line I replaced yes, but whoever lasted to endgame with iamp (on phone, can't check) said that if he hadn't already checked iamp he would have been the lynch. Both times as the game goes on it becomes glaringly obvious I'm town.
Do you still think I'm scummy if you aren't ignoring my recent games? Seems like you're cherry picking to fit your view of me.
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On January 22 2013 03:15 debears wrote:
Ok. Gotcha on the meta part austin
Still.
How can you honestly lynch stutters over Sandroba based on play this game? What more contribution has Sandroba brought to the table?
Okay so, that is my reasoning to lynch stutters.
Sandroba I have never seen particularly active apart from Bureaucracy. In Looney Lynching, he made it to the final day of a 96-hour-lynch on D1, and barely escaped with his life over a guy who actually WAS scum. He still didn't post too much, and he died N1 despite being quiet.
In magical-world-swapping mafia, he was slightly more vocal, but wasn't leading the pack or anything. He felt like he just had a couple really decent, well-thought-out posts/reads. He was also in the non-lynch world D1, so maybe he didn't feel the need to be vocal, I dunno.
Based on my play with sandroba then, I don't EXPECT a particularly vocal Sandroba. More a...walk softly and carry a big stick sandroba? I have not seen him take over a game, although apparently that has happened in the past. So it does not bother me if he's not trying to take over this one.
I'm also NOT lynching based on "contribution." I'm lynching based on scumminess. I find stutters scummy. I don't find sandroba ANYTHING right now. He's barely been around, he had a read on JX that I didn't agree with but explained it when asked, and he correctly pointed out that I was wrong in one way I was looking at that JX post.
Him being willing to engage in discussion like that, and noting in a second or third response that I was dead wrong about something, is about the only thing that I actively had to read him off of. It's not scummy to me. His inactivity could be anything. He IS valuable if left alive. So WHY would I want to kill him?
I guess that's the crux of this for me. I think stutters is mafia and I actively want to see him lynched. I don't think sandroba is mafia right now, there's not much to go on, and I don't actively want to see him lynched. I'm not lynching based on contribution, nor should we be. So I just don't see why I would be lynching sandroba. Some people HAVE legitimate concerns that they keep vocalizing about him, gonzaw being one, but I don't know how I feel about sandroba personally and THEY aren't even clamoring for his lynch.
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On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:
Edit: Vivax just noticed you didn't have a tag
Cool, why did you lie then?
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On January 22 2013 03:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.
You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.
I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.
Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point. You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie. But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim? You are trading a vote on you for "townie points" to a person you were earlier suspicious of. You explain away your half-assed mayoral campaign on time zone differences. You justify your stupid OMGUS with shitty logic. And to top it all off, you downplay your own ability to play the game in a situation where it is beneficial for people to think of you as less skilled. Scum claim.
To add to this; I believe you've been doing exactly the same sort of posting since the beginning of the game. You're doing what you think others will find you townie for, not of your own volition. Your scum hunting attempts are half-assed, your mayoral campaign is half-assed, and every time you post I just smell scum on you. You defend yourself constantly.
As I said before, you're playing an image-focused game, and it's scummy as shit. I really want to see your flip.
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austin if you are so concerned about stutters for his play THIS GAME (regardless of however naive I think your opinion of meta is) why are you not on Clarity's ass or on sandro for the exact same reasons?
On January 22 2013 03:18 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 03:13 DearestSnot wrote:
Actually scum might want to elect you if they can't elect one of their own, since electing you is far better than electing someone who is townier or scarier in that role.
It leaves more people open for them to simply shoot dead. Exactly, for that reason, in addition to his overall trolly style, I think toad might be scum. What do you vets think?
Toad is a bit weird, but I'd say we need to wait until tomorrow to read him properly. He looks very similar as both town and scum and quite often he doesn't have much of an impact on the game. He's very self-centered regardless of alignment. If we can force him to take a hard stance and watch his reactions, then I think we can read his alignment. That's not possible in a mayoral election atmosphere IMO.
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On January 22 2013 03:02 FiveTouch wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2013 02:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:42 FiveTouch wrote:
austin, why did you fail to address the point that Oatsmaster didn't even look into the case on prplhz or comment on it, saying that he was against any mayor who wanted to lynch a lurker, and then further ended up voting for you because he liked that you were killing this particular lurker? If this is a real question, then it's because I didn't address every point that every player brought up about some guy, because I'm human, etc. If it's not a real question, knock it off. I'd like to believe I'm not for killing stutters for "lurking," but because of the actual posts he has. When I look at the posts you're talking about, I don't get full-on inconsistency from them, or at least what you're seeing. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 12:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok 5touch, I was wrong and you were right, I just feel that JX wasent scum off those 2 posts.
HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town.
I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions.
What you are seeing in the second post: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter.
Stutter's posted 4 posts and just disappeared, I feel that as a town player, his start wouldve been continued through the thread but it was not to be which makes me think that he is putting up a front of activity at the start to allay all suspicions then lurking his way through the rest of the game.
Vote: Austinmcc Right? That's what you're really taking issue with? That he identifies Stutter as a lurker, says he is going to lurk all game? However, his first post is that he doesn't want a mayor whose policy is to lynch lurkers, because he wants an accountable mayor. That is actually WEIRD to me because I haven't seen a single mayor candidate who says "Let's lynch a lurker." Everyone seems to have actual reasons for voting the folks they want to vote, or hasn't given a specific candidate, afaik. So...that's just a funky statement given that, in my mind, there is no mayoral candidate with the platform that Oats is against a mayoral candidate having. That aside, I don't see the second post as fully inconsistent with the first. If you pull out different phrases, it matches up. Show nested quote +Ok with Austin's reappearance, I am inclined to vote for him as mayor. Why? Because I feel that he has put in more effort into finding scum than 5touch and that he is willing to be transparent and all the things various people have said that the mayor be.
He also stood up to lurky sandro early about JX when he couldve ignored the incident. That is one of the reasons I have a town tell on him. I also agree with his lynch target now that I read his reasoning and Stutter's filter. He seems to have reasons to vote me besides my choice of lynch. While that may be playing a part, he at least identifies a couple things that I have done/said. When he references me and stutter, he says that he agrees with my lynch target after reading my reasoning. My reasoning is not "stutter is lurking kill stutter." So to me, that goes find with the first post. I'm not advocating lurker lynching at all, I've advocating stutter-lynching. He at least has paid lip-service to the idea that I have reasoning behind that advocacy. You're so fluffy, you post a lot but tend to manage to miss the main highlights. 1) Oats doesn't want to have a mayor who wants to lynch lurkers 2) Oats does not comment on prplhz at all 3) Oats likes your Stutters lynch, at least in part because "...he has 4 posts...then [he's going to] lurk his way through the game" Why is Oats not commenting on prplhz at all? Why is he liking the lurking aspect of the Stutters case when being completely against it for the mayor? Why did Oats attack me repeatedly and tarnish my motives, and then say "I bleed town"?
Yeah yeah, I'm fluffy.
And you ask lots of rhetorical questions, or questions aimed at the wrong party. Oats does not comment on prplhz, that's true. Nobody but oats can tell you why. I read what you have as (1) and (3) here differently than you do, but again, only Oats knows what's happening in Oatsbrain. I find point (1) odd, that post odd, because he seems to be giving this generic "I don't want a mayor who is just going to lynch a lurker" thought, when NO mayoral candidate wanted to do that. That thought, vocalizing it out of nowhere in the middle of a post, IS weird. But I find his later bit liking a stutters lynch to be in harmony with the earlier post, because it's NOT a lurker lynch. I'm not proposing lynching stutters because he's lurking, so I don't see why supporting me would run afoul of not wanting to elect a mayor who wants to lurker lynch.
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