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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:02 Sn0_Man wrote: Keep in mind its a 48 hour day cycle so we have ~26 more hours to discuss/consider. Well I did not want to spring the case on Acid too late. Perhaps I did do it too early. I was thinking about making the case about 7 hours from now, but I wasn't sure if Acid was going to have personal stuff or be sleeping or anything like that. I'm just giving him the time to respond. Plus he's here now so it seemed like a good time as well. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:03 zarepath wrote: If scum were JK'd last night, preventing their kill from going out, you'd think they would claim they were JK'd so that they could take credit for the option of just having been SAVED from mafia. Maybe, especially since somebody knows who was roleblocked in that case. This makes me think we have a doctor and no JK. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:05 Sn0_Man wrote: Maybe, especially since somebody knows who was roleblocked in that case. This makes me think we have a doctor and no JK. I agree with this. I think if JK saved us from the NK, then we would have a case by the JK out of the blue. The cases made today don't give off that vibe to me. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:05 cDgCorazon wrote: Well I did not want to spring the case on Acid too late. Perhaps I did do it too early. I was thinking about making the case about 7 hours from now, but I wasn't sure if Acid was going to have personal stuff or be sleeping or anything like that. I'm just giving him the time to respond. Plus he's here now so it seemed like a good time as well. Your post included something about not changing unless something drastic happened. Made me think you thought deadline was coming up. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Your post included something about not changing unless something drastic happened. Made me think you thought deadline was coming up. Yeah I mismanaged the time. However, I do mean that I will stick to Acid unless he provides a solid defense and stops tunneling WB. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy). To me, this day has come down to "Should we lynch WB or Acid?". I believe that it has come down to this question for most others as it regards to the lynch. Warbaby's erratic behavior made me very suspicious at first, I must admit. However, his brashness and unwilling to unvote Acid (even though voting for him early is a terrible idea) actually gave me a better feeling that he was town. The biggest thing that a scum has to worry about is their reputation with the rest of the town. A scum knows that he has to make sure no one else thinks he is scum so he can push his agenda forward and not be under suspicion. A town player would not care how others think about them because he knows he is town and has nothing to hide. Warbaby's behavior has seemed to follow these ideals. If he was scum, he would've listened to me and halted his aggression way before he did. The FoS definitely would've been enough for him to listen to me. Scum are afraid of getting lynched, so even threatening a vote would be enough to shut a scum down. Since it didn't phase WB, I believe that he is town not being afraid of his image in order to get the scum lynched. On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go. On the other hand, Acid has been ridiculously dodgy the entire game. In a town where inactivity has been a problem, he has been part of the inactivity problem. He dodges my argument, and only after he is pressured about it does he say that it wasn't relevant. The timing of his defense is ridiculously shady, almost 2 days after the original pressure. If he wanted to call my argument out as BS, he should've done so at his first opportunity, not chosen to ignore it. Telling me that my idea is stupid is how town bounces ideas off of each other and becomes more efficient as a scumhunting machine. By ignoring it until pressured, it's basically him saying that he's dodging it still. The final straw is the voting history. Scum do not care who gets voted off as long as it's not one of them. WB voted, Acid didn't. There's no way Acid could not have spared 5 minutes to vote, even if he knew he was going to be working for a long shift. I don't buy the work stuff. At least jump on a wagon or vote no-lynch if you don't have time to vote. It's not being busy, it's disinterest in the vote. It's scummy. At the end of the day, would I rather vote for the town jester or the shady guy on the corner asking people if they want to have fun? For these reasons: ##Vote: Acid~ If anyone has any questions, feel free to let me know. This is getting ridiculous. First of all, I never said your argument wasn't relevant, I said it didn't make sense. And AGAIN, like I said, I didn't respond to it at first because I dismissed it. On the basis of it not making sense. I only replied to it just now because it seems you were about to use it as a justification for a vote and that was just silly. Second, I did not know I was going to be working that long when I got called and my work is more important than your mafia. That's just the way it is. If you really think inactivity is more of a scumtell than obviously scummy behavior, you're terrible at this game. And from I gather, you're not terrible at this game. Interesting. Just to sum it up: warbaby lies, twists my words in order to vote me AFTER I expose his scummy actions warbaby has a TOWN read on someone and lets that someone get lynched without a fight warbaby posts a LOT of posts with no content, only speculation and CLAIMS to scumhunt while never scumhunting Acid posts a case against warbaby explaining, WITH QUOTES AND PROOF, how warbaby is acting scummy Acid misses a vote because of work Can you, honestly, with a straight face, claim that you are town and believe Acid is the scummier player? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 07:43 Sn0_Man wrote: @Acid: There are 2 scum this game. Who is scum 2.0? we are well aware of your prime scum read, who is asleep atm anyways. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 30 2013 07:43 Sn0_Man wrote: @Acid: There are 2 scum this game. Who is scum 2.0? we are well aware of your prime scum read, who is asleep atm anyways. Then where are we on the lynching of the first scum? I'm not going to get off warbaby's case until he flips or someone presents a stronger case on someone else. I have other scumreads but they're not as strong. There's no value in discussing them right now. IF I'm right about warbaby then I have a solid lead on the second one. If I'm wrong, then I have a different lead. Just going to leave this here for you: Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion? | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 29 2013 13:42 warbaby wrote: Warbaby's case against Acid~ 1) He plays like shit day one If this is a scum tell, you really need to be the first to go. and fails to vote. 2) He comes back day 2, with a completely unacceptable excuse. If he has 24 hour work shifts, he should not be signing up for mafia games. Again, you are lying. That is not what I said, nor implied. Why are you lying so much? Who the fuck has 24 hour "shifts"? Do you not ever sleep? Or do you play mafia in your sleep? Actually, that would explain a lot. 3) He admits he didn't even read the whole thread, No, I didn't. Again, more lying. and pops a gigantic case (that largely echoes stuff Sn0man already said, so it's not like he even made that much effort -- mostly the math stuff is original, but I'm not even the one who fucked up the math in the first place). 4) The case is largely bullshit. I've also made a bullshit cases, to pressure people, but... 5) If he's trying to pressure me, it's a shitty way to do it, because he'll be gone for 24 hours. My goal was to get people talking about the case, that's what people do. But, I have to give you credit: your conveniently timed "argument" with Corazon managed to pull attention away from the case and bury it behind five pages of useless bullshit. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:23 Acid~ wrote: Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion? Where in my case against you did I say you not unvoting for WB was a scum tell? The difference between your tunneling and WB's tunneling is that Warbaby has at least joined in the discussion about other players and other things. You've had two posts that did not have anything to deal with WB, and they are the two posts answering me. You also dodged my argument. If you thought it didn't make sense you would've said so. No one else said it was BS, so why didn't you say it? I told you both that if you were town, you would stop tunneling each other for the majority of D2. You insist on Warbaby being lynched, but how can we be sure of your town credibility if your scumhunting has only consisted of telling us why WB is so much scum? You both have been completely useless to us, and you guys tunneling each other 10 minutes into D2 is hurting the town. You've brought nothing to the table, and you dodged my argument. When it comes to you and WB being on the chopping block, I'd rather pick someone who has shown at least a slight flash of actual scum hunting more than one person, and is not afraid to call out BS on my arguments and does not act shady. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:04 warbaby wrote: I'd love to discuss what actually happened N1, which I see as a great win for town. Note that there is one variation of the setup that allows for both JK and Doc (if I'm not reading the wiki wrong here -- love to see our authority on math and statistics, Acid~, to contribute on this point, but he's probably won't bother responding to this post, assuming he ever reads it). If the blue is doc, should they claim? I don't think it was clairvoyant that nobody died N1 (and I think you sound like a sadscum by saying this), I think it was just damned lucky. Probably won't happen again, and there's a chance the Doc (if there is one) will be killed before they can do anything more useful. If the doc exists and claims, and scum kills them, we end up with a 100% confirmed town and a no kill on Night 1. Is this good for town? I'm not sure if this makes sense. I haven't put a lot of thought into reasons and possible results around town power role claims. Oh please stop with your incessant town-claiming bullshit. What is this post, aside from a feeble attempt to extract a blue claim so you have a target for tonight? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in my case against you did I say you not unvoting for WB was a scum tell? The difference between your tunneling and WB's tunneling is that Warbaby has at least joined in the discussion about other players and other things. You've had two posts that did not have anything to deal with WB, and they are the two posts answering me. You also dodged my argument. If you thought it didn't make sense you would've said so. No one else said it was BS, so why didn't you say it? I told you both that if you were town, you would stop tunneling each other for the majority of D2. You insist on Warbaby being lynched, but how can we be sure of your town credibility if your scumhunting has only consisted of telling us why WB is so much scum? You both have been completely useless to us, and you guys tunneling each other 10 minutes into D2 is hurting the town. You've brought nothing to the table, and you dodged my argument. When it comes to you and WB being on the chopping block, I'd rather pick someone who has shown at least a slight flash of actual scum hunting more than one person, and is not afraid to call out BS on my arguments and does not act shady. I've already explained to you why I didn't respond to your argument. Why would I waste time on something that doesn't make sense? Why would any of the players? None of them said it was nonsense but none of them backed it up either, so...? I made a case against warbaby that was based on evidence. He made an OMGUS. Why should I be the one to establish town cred? Because I missed a vote? Like the lurker thing, this is hiding behind policy. If policy votes is all you care about, good for you. I want to actually play the game. If you can't see the value in my case, then fine. You go be clueless in your corner until I decide whether you're scum or retarded. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today. And I suggest you don't be an asshole to someone who is making a case against you if you want them to un-vote you somewhere down the road. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today. No. My other reads will change based on warbaby's flip and the votes and discussions leading up to it. WB is my strongest read, he goes first - unless someone makes a better case against anyone else. So far, I don't see one. I see a bullshit OMGUS on me and your nonsense about me not responding to your original nonsense. I could maybe buy the policy vote based on me not voting day 1, but I gave a reason for that, both to the mod who decided to let me off with a warning and to the town. You don't buy it? Fuck you, I'm not selling. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Well then, my vote will remain on you. | ||
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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:41 cDgCorazon wrote: And I suggest you don't be an asshole to someone who is making a case against you if you want them to un-vote you somewhere down the road. Why? Is this a fucking popularity contest? If you're too stupid to make your decisions based on logic and just vote/unvote based on who's the nice guy, why the fuck would I want anything to do with you? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 30 2013 08:43 Acid~ wrote: Why? Is this a fucking popularity contest? If you're too stupid to make your decisions based on logic and just vote/unvote based on who's the nice guy, why the fuck would I want anything to do with you? The problem is, the logic is not there. If I give you a way to earn town cred by investigating other people and then you just act like a child and say "fuck you", I'm not going to un-vote you. The reason you want to have something to do with me is because I hold a vote. Perhaps there is one vote separating you from being in this game and being dead. Would you rather not be an asshole to people so they might listen to you, or would you rather be an abrasive douche? Which one will be more likely to save your sorry ass? | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
My response to warbaby: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote: In list form due to popular demand. (That "popular demand" bit was also a joke, in case you got confused, Sn0. Let me know if you need help tying your shoes or anything.). Warbaby's case on Glurio 1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself. 1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this. 2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched. 3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio. Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me. They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time. Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not. 1) I never backed you on acid. Never backed sn0s case against you, he might have had some similar points, but most of my stuff i found myself. While i did later use some stuff zare and acid brought up, this was much later in the game. 1a) Yes, i actually believe sn0 to be town. His posts look like solid scumhunting. He never went on a personal level, got too emotional. Also he seems to have the same read on you as i do. Scum btw. He was in the last game with mocsta and draws the same parallel between your play and his. 2) For this point i'll first quote you. + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 00:39 warbaby wrote: Also, I'm with Glurio. ##Vote: SkaPunk SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute. Remember my first post: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker. He classified as scummy lurker, so i voted for him. 3) You are right, i really should step up and post more. As i see it right now there are two major suspects: Acid and warbaby. ##FoS: warbaby He doesn't seem to put in the effort to actually read before accusing. He has already multiple posts of "oh well too tired to read clearly" "oh i didn't catch that" "got the time mixed up" as soon as someone calls him out on his mistakes. Then theres the whole mocsta meta kinda thing i think he has going on. Although he copies mocsta not very good, he seems to try. He now trys to earn town cred by suddenly being nice to his no. 1 scumread, sn0. Whilst discrediting acid. Since i'm pretty tired right now ill promise to look at acid tomorrow. | ||
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