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Yay a post.
First off, I'm 90% sure that jailkeeping never results in notifications of any sort, (that includes roleblock notifications) but I could be wrong. It isn't too specific in the OP.
Next, a scum role-cop isn't really affecting our play at all. They may hit, they may miss, we can't do much about it. Honestly, I think that its in their best interest to just NK anybody they suspect of being blue over role-copping them so... 
I wasn't blaming you for being AFK, I was merely going over the possibility of the scum team actually just not being present as an explanation of the no-kill night. And then asserting that since only one person wasn't here, at least one scum was present to submit a night action.
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Not just a post, but a good one. Two in a row, even!
I'm not using this in a case against him, but just because Acid~ didn't post during N1 doesn't mean he didn't submit a night action. I would kind of expect a scum who both fails to vote D1 and fails to submit a night action N1 would be modkilled, not just warned. If both Acid~ and cake were scum, he should have been modkilled as well (unless he submitted a night action without bothering to post for the majority of D2 and all of N1).
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On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote:
2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska.
EBWOP: bandwagoning Ska, not bussing him. Obviously Ska is not scum so he can't be bussed.
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Acid posted a seriously long post N1. I find it hard to believe that he could write all that post and not bother submitting an action. Which doesn't rule him out as scum, but it rather rules out the "2 afk scum" theory that was fairly unlikely in the first place.
Looking forward to reads from Cakepie and his fresh eyes, although I understand he is busy.
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At around page 14, I made up my mind, that I would explain why warbaby was back on my radar, and why.
But several people have already made cases against warbaby.
The only thing I see, that hasn't been touched on, is the fact that he is really being very nice to me.
(Sorry for not finding the quotes)
But first he said that he thought I could have been a good player, if I just had more time on my hands. (But is that actually what you guys are getting from reading my filter??)
And secondly. He totally thinks it's ok that I suddenly haven't got the same amount of time to read/post.
It makes me wonder why he is suddenly being so nice to me.
But. That being said. I think we're making a huge mistake not exploring / hunting other people.
I see you guys are talking about tunneling this and that. From what I see, we're all tunneling warbaby too much.
More posts about him won't help change anything. And that means wasting time. Also It's a free pass for the other scum (or 2 other scum).
So for the remaining time of day 2 - Let's explore everyone els. I'm willing to even say, that I find further tunneling on warbaby as a scummy sign.
And I will be the first to try and exit "the tunnel"
Besides warbaby, I think Acid is looking scummy.
Poor activity day 1
First "real post" had a #FOS on warbaby
Seeing as this got the response he was looking for
He posts a very aggressive second post. With words like "treason" and "Explain or die!" Which seems overly aggressive to me. If you wanted to be heard, why not keep your cool? You know how warbaby is very very active, and tries to anwser everything he is acussed of, so was it nessecary to write "Explain or die"?
Scum-radar:
#1 - Warbaby
#2 - Acid
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Yeah, you're right. I messed up the chronology. I'm getting really tired and will probably head out now. I should be back by 9am (EST) tomorrow.
Thanks for posting a bunch more, Sn0_man. I still don't agree with a number of things you've said, but if you're town and pushing me to get a better read, then you're being decent about it and I appreciate that. I really don't like how Acid~ just took off after his rather fast vote on me =/
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EBWOP: Sn0 was right about Acid posting a big post during N1, that is.
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On January 30 2013 06:31 warbaby wrote:
Yeah, you're right. I messed up the chronology. I'm getting really tired and will probably head out now. I should be back by 9am (EST) tomorrow.
Thanks for posting a bunch more, Sn0_man. I still don't agree with a number of things you've said, but if you're town and pushing me to get a better read, then you're being decent about it and I appreciate that. I really don't like how Acid~ just took off after his rather fast vote on me =/
There we go. This is the kind of post that Mocsta could never bring himself to. It is still way too much of a flip-flop from previous to make me really believe that you are town, but this is serious progress.
@Slayalot: I'll go through acid's filter again, but I hope you are aware that it is fairly unlikely that BOTH your top two reads are scum due to their interaction so far. Some consideration of that may be in order.
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On January 30 2013 06:27 Slayalot wrote:
The only thing I see, that hasn't been touched on, is the fact that he is really being very nice to me.
(Sorry for not finding the quotes)
But first he said that he thought I could have been a good player, if I just had more time on my hands. (But is that actually what you guys are getting from reading my filter??)
Before, I head out, I'll explain my logic here: you claim to be a school teacher (a claim I accept, why would you lie about it pre-game?). School teachers have to teach a whole class children/teenagers, who can be incredibly hard to control when in groups of 5 or more unless you use psychological tricks and word play. So I think your profession makes you well suited for playing this game, because this is a game of word play and psychology. I hope that makes sense. tl;dr I'm bias for teachers.
I was also just trying to keep you interested in the game, because I feel that when you do make posts, they're pretty good.
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On January 30 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm 90% sure that jailkeeping never results in notifications of any sort, (that includes roleblock notifications) but I could be wrong. It isn't too specific in the OP.
Turns out I was WRONG.
Pursuant to PM's with the host, any player who was jailkept would recieve a roleblock notification.
So either:
A) we don't have a jailkeeper. Eminently possible.
B) our Jailkeeper JK'd scum, who didn't wish to claim (somewhat understandable).
C) our JailKeeper JK'd town, who for some unknown reason didn't claim.
Just so we are on the same page, and since this is a newbie mafia, I'll remind everybody that it is common in mafia to immediately notify town if you were roleblocked during the night, regardless of your role (including VT). Feel free to ask coaches about this.
As such, any townie who recieved a RoleBlock notification should claim it ASAP (it isn't too late).
After a bit of time has passed and everybody has read the thread, we can start working on which option it is.
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On January 29 2013 10:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Now to the scumhunting part. The problem I'm having with Acid right now is that all he has done the whole game is tunneled Warbaby. I know he's going after his scum read, but most of his posts have been in his argument with WB and attacking WB. I made an argument against him asking for a reply, and it has completely ignored in his pursuit to have Warbaby lynched at all costs. Ignoring an argument is an automatic FoS for me. If he was town, why would he ignore an argument made against him. If he is truly innocent, he can explain his behavior, not ignore me and hope it blows over.
FoS: Acid~
I didn't reply to your argument because it doesn't make any sense.
Of course I automatically assume scumhunting is a good reason to be a jerk, that's exactly the point I was making. What is there to discuss?
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On January 29 2013 11:02 warbaby wrote:Oh, hey Acid~, good of you to drop in. Thought you weren't going to be back for another ">24 hours". I'm not going to explain my D1 actions any more. I already explained them enough. Anyone who wants answers to Acid~'s questions are invited to review my filter. If anyone (other than Acid~ and Sn0man) are still not satisfied, I will answer their specific questions. Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote:
Also, you did not "scumhunt" by your interaction with Snoman and me. You talked and you were meek in your accusations.
##Vote: warbaby
If my was so meek, why did you get so pissed off at me in your second post of the thread, when I pressured you? ##Vote: Acid~I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do.
I managed to check the thread before going to bed, am I allowed to do this? Can I please have your permission to live my life how I see fit?
My town motivation in voting you is because I think you are scum, I posted a big case against you and I want to see you talk and I want to see how other people respond to the case, because this gives me information on their and your alignment.
This is pretty basic stuff, even for a newbie game.
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On January 29 2013 11:44 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 11:29 zarepath wrote:
And what the heck is this about criticizing someone for throwing around their vote too early D2, and therefore, you immediately vote for them? You have hardly any consistency in your stances or opinions. I criticize Acid~ for doing nothing but tunnel me and not even bothering to read the whole thread before voting. You seriously think it's good for a town to vote without reading the whole thread first?Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:46 Acid~ wrote:
I didn't have time after I finished with you and I started with you because you were the first to attract my attention.
Making an FoS on me without reading the whole thread - OK fine. Voting for anybody before reading the whole thread - not OK. Your rejection of my response to Acid~ is valid. I'll review the thread and if I can find anything he's posted that I don't feel was already addressed in my filter, I'll explain it. I'm happy to answer questions, just not from Acid~ or Sn0man on their case against me, because I think it's a waste of time to defend myself further. Again, if anybody wants answers to the questions Acid~ is asking, they're right there in my filter. You just gotta take the time to read.
I never said I didn't read the whole thread, you are lying again warbaby and it's not a good thing to do in your position.
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EBWOP: also, no you did not answer my questions in your filter, otherwise I wouldn't have fucking asked them.
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@Acid: There are 2 scum this game. Who is scum 2.0? we are well aware of your prime scum read, who is asleep atm anyways.
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On January 29 2013 12:31 warbaby wrote:Gah, his case against me is such bullshit I want to break it down for you. Acid~ complains that I'm not actually scumhunting. This is an old complaint from his 3rd post in D1 that I've done my best to address. If he thinks my scumhunting is so bad, well, I'll just do my best to get better. Other than that, why is he trying to discourage me from scum hunting? What possible motive could that have?
I'm not trying to discourage you from scumhunting, I'm asking you to cut the bullshit and scumhunt. This is not the first time that you misrepresent what I say.
Acid~ rumbles about numbers that aren't even relevant anymore, since D1 was already over. This is what happened: I responded to Corazon's mistake and extrapolated on top of it. Corazon made a mistake, I didn't catch it and made some comments based on a false assumption. I believe Corazon shares the blame with me on this, so you can refer to his defense for more details. Maybe Acid~ with his amazing math skills could have helped clear things up AT THE TIME, but he didn't. There is no excuse is for this useless behavior.
The numbers are relevant because they show that you (and corazon) made a "mistake". A mistake so bad that I caught it. I don't have "amazing" math skills, I'm a lit major. It was two Google searches to check the statistics claim: "calculating probabilities" and "how to multiply fractions". 15 minutes of work. Would take 5 for someone with a high school level in math. If you can't be assed to do that, then don't fucking call me useless. I was not around at the time because I was working and I'm not going to apologize to YOU for working.
There's a reason I wasn't modkilled, so think about that for a second before bringing it up again.
Acid~ says that he now has a strong scum read on me because using responding to someone else's faulty math is treason. I guess Corazon is a traitor too, then.
Maybe he is and I'll look into that.
Acid~ complains about my votes, but he didn't even vote D1, and then he voted D2 after admitting he hadn't read the thread.
You're lying again. I never said I didn't read the thread. I did read the thread. In fact, you can see from the timestamps in my posts "re-reading the thread right now" (when you RE something, what does it mean, Einstein?) and then posting again 2 hours laters, after I finished RE-reading. Do you even logic? At all? Have you ever?
I told myself I wasn't going to defend Acid~'s aggression any more. But his case is such horse crap that it makes him look scummy. He was already 3rd on my list of scum, but now he's #1.
Sorry, but everything you say is bullshit from start to finish. You lie, you misrepresent and you attack me because you know that for a long time I'm not going to be able to defend myself. You're the most obvious scum there ever was, even worse than Spag last game. There is literally nothing you have ever said or done in this thread that was productive in any way.
You still haven't responded to my case, btw.
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Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy).
To me, this day has come down to "Should we lynch WB or Acid?". I believe that it has come down to this question for most others as it regards to the lynch.
Warbaby's erratic behavior made me very suspicious at first, I must admit. However, his brashness and unwilling to unvote Acid (even though voting for him early is a terrible idea) actually gave me a better feeling that he was town. The biggest thing that a scum has to worry about is their reputation with the rest of the town. A scum knows that he has to make sure no one else thinks he is scum so he can push his agenda forward and not be under suspicion. A town player would not care how others think about them because he knows he is town and has nothing to hide. Warbaby's behavior has seemed to follow these ideals. If he was scum, he would've listened to me and halted his aggression way before he did. The FoS definitely would've been enough for him to listen to me. Scum are afraid of getting lynched, so even threatening a vote would be enough to shut a scum down. Since it didn't phase WB, I believe that he is town not being afraid of his image in order to get the scum lynched. On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go.
On the other hand, Acid has been ridiculously dodgy the entire game. In a town where inactivity has been a problem, he has been part of the inactivity problem. He dodges my argument, and only after he is pressured about it does he say that it wasn't relevant. The timing of his defense is ridiculously shady, almost 2 days after the original pressure. If he wanted to call my argument out as BS, he should've done so at his first opportunity, not chosen to ignore it. Telling me that my idea is stupid is how town bounces ideas off of each other and becomes more efficient as a scumhunting machine. By ignoring it until pressured, it's basically him saying that he's dodging it still.
The final straw is the voting history. Scum do not care who gets voted off as long as it's not one of them. WB voted, Acid didn't. There's no way Acid could not have spared 5 minutes to vote, even if he knew he was going to be working for a long shift. I don't buy the work stuff. At least jump on a wagon or vote no-lynch if you don't have time to vote. It's not being busy, it's disinterest in the vote. It's scummy.
At the end of the day, would I rather vote for the town jester or the shady guy on the corner asking people if they want to have fun?
For these reasons:
##Vote: Acid~
If anyone has any questions, feel free to let me know.
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On January 29 2013 13:33 warbaby wrote:
I don't accusing you of defending Acid~. I accuse you of not bothering to connect the dots and think for yourself. Of course I read your early posts because I've actually commented on them. In my filter. Which is there for you to read.
I thought about it some more, and there is one town motivation Acid~ could have for voting me, which is to pressure me because he needs a better read.
If that's his reasoning, I would have to rethink my case on him. I'm not saying I'll unvote him if, in 24 hours when he gets back from work (who works for 24 hours? isn't that illegal in germany?) he just says, "Yes warbaby I was pressuring you to get a better read." He needs think up some way to make actions that demonstrate this motive.
He needs to literally make up for the fact that he blatantly broke the rules, and spat in town's face, by failing to vote D1. And so far he has not done that.
Obviously in the last 24 hours I've slept for 8 of them, like a normal human being. I have work, and I have work-related obligations. This is not the place to discuss my personal life, I apologized for missing the vote and I won't do it again so just drop it.
Also, you can try to goad me into a shitstorm but you're so transparent it's laughable. You can keep calling my country "Germany" if you want, it just makes me smile. I'm not 15.
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On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy).
##Vote: Acid~
If anyone has any questions, feel free to let me know.
Keep in mind its a 48 hour day cycle so we have ~26 more hours to discuss/consider.
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If scum were JK'd last night, preventing their kill from going out, you'd think they would claim they were JK'd so that they could take credit for the option of just having been SAVED from mafia.
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