EPTOn January 25 2013 08:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't see how xata can be scum, grush is just flailing at this point
I don't see how xata can be scum, grush is just flailing at this point
ok def wbg + jay scum team.
##Vote: Jaybrundage
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grush57
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Lazermonkey
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iamperfection
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jaybrundage
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On January 24 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote: i might have to save the rest of you to this afternoon. some questions though while i ponder 1- jay describe your town play to me if you would be so kind. 2- grush wbg is town who is your scum team? I respond to this so people can get a better read on me and I dont get mislynched. For the most part my play as town is extremely scummy. In fact two games ago I went about the entire thread proclaiming i was the best mislynch na. aaaand i got mislynched. In fact besides my recent game of British MM. I have only survived one game with out being mislynched because town palmar played with me before and had a town read on me. Every game besides that I have been mislynched. That is why I have been trying to change my play style as obviously people think its scummy. In British MM I think I did a good job of trying to convey my townie intentions. And this game I was doing my best to help the town find scum. But with my internet situation, it makes it very difficult to post at all. On January 25 2013 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Jay Well, after really analysing his filter, I must say he looks far far worse than grush. 1. His vote on Hopeless. All of Jay's votes this far has been super funky. But the one who is by far the most funky is his vote on hopeless. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote: Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on. However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process. SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning. @Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum? On January 18 2013 09:45 jaybrundage wrote: Given that Sloosh was SK. It makes my read of hopeless off. I assumed that sloosh would flip scum which would make Hopeless more likly to be town. But with Sloosh flipping SK it makes Hopeless seem a lot scummier imo. Tmw we should lynch hopeless or lynch grush. His pretty useless and hasn't contributed at all. When he does deem to give his reads. He doesn't follow it with any reasoning. Also Mr.Z i said it before but you gotta step it up. Where is the late game Mr.Z that was promised to me  2. His interactions with Hapa self-explanatory + and I did post about this earlier. 3. He doesn't really have any town reads. Giving out town reads usually isn't alignment indicative. But the way Jay does it, I feel it is. His only real town reads (and by ''real'', I'm excluding stuff like null/slight town shit) were WBG and MrZentor. Both for shit reasons. WBG because he said that it made no sense for both him and SlOosh and WBG to be scum but SlOosh hadn't even flipped at that point. MrZentor because he defended him at the start if D1... I get the impression that he is trying to buddy up with the vets while setting up bandwagons everywhere else. 4. His back and forth with grush Note that this is actually not that dependant on grush being scum, though it does indeed make him look worse if grush is indeed scum. Basically all game he has got a scum read on grush it seems, yet he doesn't want to vote him nor truly push him. He just keeps on poking him a little bit now and then. Very non-commital. Look at British Empire MM where he had a scum read on Mr.CC and note the big diference compared to this game. In both game he was having a scum read who noone else was really interested in. In British, he kept pushing Mr. CC like a madman. In this game, not so much. Also, why no vote on grush? In British he mentions CC for like the third time ever in the game and BAM, vote right away.+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote: First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Mr.CheeseCake 1. SLoosh being the SK was something I didn't see coming. It did alter my read on hopeless alot. Also I assumed hapa was town then as well. So i was ok going with his read. I have never played with scum hapa before. I ask him to give his reads in case he may have been town because as the victim of many mislynches there is always a chance that your scum reads are wrong. Thats why i encouraged him to post his reads. He also did his best to help town change the lynch. I dont find it smart to be overly confident in your reads. 2. Never played with scum hapa before. However after i noticed how differently he starting playing. And after Lamp made some good points on his play, I started to get a scum read on him. 3. I never like to give out town reads. I said this in this game and also in my last game in British MM. 4. You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. CC was townie. If he didn't have that doctor claim I would of probably kept tunneling him till he flipped. This was a bad aspect of my play that I want to try to eliminate. I do think that grush can be scum. But I want to put pressure on him regardless of his alignment. As the most he posts the easier he would be to read. You dont need a vote to apply pressure. Also grush hasnt really been a lynchable candidate much this game. And Lamp's point was a good one grush is a bit of a coin flip. That's why even now im hesitant. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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As scum he'd probably suspect or even know that hapa was going to simply die. The way hapa played it out it seemed as if he had assumed he was dead. I don't think jay as scum (no offense) would have the foresight to ask hapa for his reads. It makes more sense from a town perspective, where jay has had a town read on hapa all game, and is confused at his absence, and wants hapa to give reads simply in the case that he might be town, to get a better read on the situation. I'd expect scum to do what grush did, i.e. insta-bus hapa. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On January 25 2013 09:02 grush57 wrote: ok def wbg + jay scum team. ##Vote: Jaybrundage Given Grush and Lazer are coming together to try to lynch make makes it seem a hell of a lot more likely for one of them to be scum. Similar to how Z-bo and Yamato went for the same mislynch at LYLO in British Mafia. ##Vote LazerMonkey But at this point I would be willing to lynch either as scum. WBG whats your thoughts on the grush lazer scum team? Any preference on who we lynch between the two? | ||
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jaybrundage
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On January 25 2013 13:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I think I prefer grush based on his interaction with hapa, but to be honest I see no possibility other than grush + lazer anyway. Yea it's the only one that makes any sense imo. Tho I had a scum read on Xalatos earlier he has been posting alot more townie. And also the roleblocks don't make much sense on him as scum. And if you were scum you would just vote me and seal the mislynch. | ||
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Xatalos
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##Vote grush57 And I was roleblocked once more.... | ||
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Xatalos
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On January 25 2013 13:27 jaybrundage wrote: Given Grush and Lazer are coming together to try to lynch make makes it seem a hell of a lot more likely for one of them to be scum. Similar to how Z-bo and Yamato went for the same mislynch at LYLO in British Mafia. ##Vote LazerMonkey But at this point I would be willing to lynch either as scum. WBG whats your thoughts on the grush lazer scum team? Any preference on who we lynch between the two? I agree that this is looking similar to the last mislynch attempt by Z-boson/Yamato in British. But why Lazer? They're most likely both scum with this latest development, but grush is still more likely scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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I'll be completely honest, I saw grush vote at the top of the page and I was like why the fuck is grush voting at night? I thought my post on the previous post caused the new page to come up, meaning I missed the daypost and Lazer's ninjavote. LOL. Anyway, let's kill grush today. ##vote grush57 | ||
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Xatalos
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On January 25 2013 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote: rofl I have something funny for you guys. I'll be completely honest, I saw grush vote at the top of the page and I was like why the fuck is grush voting at night? I thought my post on the previous post caused the new page to come up, meaning I missed the daypost and Lazer's ninjavote. LOL. Anyway, let's kill grush today. ##vote grush57 Any comments about the discussion on Kush/Lazermonkey before the night deadline? I know it seems like Lazermonkey has to be scum now, but I guess it's at least hypothetically possible that grush is bussing Jay... Although really, that's veeeery unlikely. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 14:56 Xatalos wrote: It's only scummy if I would have a really strong scum read on grush. And if you actually did read my filter, I do have a stronger scum read on Jay for the the time being... And if it really is that obvious scummy in your opinion, why do you think I'm even trying to defend grush? Wouldn't it be better if I just bussed him then?Lazermonkey, how did you go from grush as definitely most scummy (even over Hapa) to "feeling townie vibes" just from two one-liner posts where grush seems like giving up? That's a scummy attitude to being in a bad spot, not a townish one. And in any case, I don't understand how two one-liners can change someone's mind after seeing him as the most scummy player based on his earlier filler. This is starting to feel like a desperate last attempt by two cornered scum..... After all, once grush flips scum, Lazermonkey would be in a really hard spot to take the game. ##Vote grush57 And I was roleblocked once more.... | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 13:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I think you are wrong. Hapa did probebly not know that he was going to die by the time of Hopeless flip. He kept trying to actually post untill the votes started to flow in on him during D4. However, Jay simply asked what people's opinion was of Hapa and what Hapa's biggest scum read was once hopeless had flipped. He never gave his own view on Hapa UNTILL Iamp's vote on him during D4. I don't really see how you can get such a big town tell(or a town tell at all even) by the fact that he asked Hapa about his reads when his main scum read, the one he tunneled for two days, just flipped town. It's implicit to wonder what reads the person got in that situation.yeah I think jay asking for hapa to give his reads is a very townie thing of him to do. As scum he'd probably suspect or even know that hapa was going to simply die. The way hapa played it out it seemed as if he had assumed he was dead. I don't think jay as scum (no offense) would have the foresight to ask hapa for his reads. It makes more sense from a town perspective, where jay has had a town read on hapa all game, and is confused at his absence, and wants hapa to give reads simply in the case that he might be town, to get a better read on the situation. I'd expect scum to do what grush did, i.e. insta-bus hapa. The lynch on Hapa was nowhere set in stone by N3, here is a short summary of what happend during the night: Iamp was pushing you. You were pushing grush. You EVEN soft defended Hapa during the night. Jay was pushing grush. grush calls WBG, Hapa and possibly me/Xata as scum. Xata says grush is likelier scum than Hapa. If anything, grush was looking likelier to be lynched judged by the posts during the night. It was at the very of the night that Iamp started to consider Hapa being scum. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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wherebugsgo
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This is just misrepresentation. If you want to make me look bad at least read the thread first. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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He was so sure Hapa was scum well before Hopeless even fucking flipped. I don't understand how as town in your situation you can even consider anyone other than grush the best lynch today. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't want to make you look bad... Its quite clear I got a town read on you at this point, don't you think? It was simply to prove my point that you Hapa lynch was no where set in stone by the time that Jay asked Hapa for his reads. And if you say that you hard defended him, then by all means that proves my point.I didn't soft defend hapa, I fucking hard defended him. This is just misrepresentation. If you want to make me look bad at least read the thread first. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I never recall saying something else. I said that during the night, grush was basically the only one with Hapa as a clear scum read. also grush called hapa scum BEFORE HOPELESS DIED. He was so sure Hapa was scum well before Hopeless even fucking flipped. I don't understand how as town in your situation you can even consider anyone other than grush the best lynch today. | ||
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