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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also: You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
jaybrundage (2): Lazermonkey, grush57 Lazermonkey (1): jaybrundage grush57 (2): Xatalos, wherebugsgo Currently, jaybrundage is set to be lynched! ~1 and 1/2 days until deadline. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 25 2013 17:08 Lazermonkey wrote: It's only scummy if I would have a really strong scum read on grush. And if you actually did read my filter, I do have a stronger scum read on Jay for the the time being... And if it really is that obvious scummy in your opinion, why do you think I'm even trying to defend grush? Wouldn't it be better if I just bussed him then? Well, you had a stronger scumread on grush than Hapa yesterday, and now it's apparently gone (or greatly diminished) just because grush posted two posts where he was almost ready to concede. Does that sound like a town or scum mindset to you? And even if he actually *did* something townish now, it's just stupid to abandon everything before it and think he's town based on two posts. Your sudden change of opinion for such a nonexistent reason seems more like you're grush's teammate and going for a final effort before conceding. I at least can't imagine I'd change my mind around like that if I were in your situation as town. Bussing is a good scum tactic, but not always the best option. The game gets harder for scum as time goes on and if your situation is that bad to begin with, it might be better to risk it than to try delaying for more time. Dunno, that's just WIFOM anyway. What matters is what each player has actually done in this game, not what they might have done instead. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote: @Jay's response 1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also:Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game. My read on Hopeless changed as well because he flipped SK instead of scum. It would have been very unlikely that both Sloosh and Hopeless were scum, since they were the two opposing wagons for the day. But since Sloosh flipped SK, it made much more sense for Hopeless to be scum than if Sloosh had flipped scum. What's scummy about this? It's very simple logic. Your logic is what's questionable here for not understanding the basic situation. Lol, nice catch  Surely it's grush+Jay with that, haha... Actually Jay *is* weirdly certain about grush being scum with that wording, but it could be just overconfidence in his read. I'm fairly certain grush is scum too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he IS scum. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote: supposing LM is town and has come to the conclusion that grush + jay are the scum it would make far more sense for his vote to be against grush, rather than with grush. Yeah, especially because a big part of his case against Jay is based on grush flipping scum...... What's the point of lynching Jay first then? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:02 Xatalos wrote: Yay, Xata is here.Well, you had a stronger scumread on grush than Hapa yesterday, and now it's apparently gone (or greatly diminished) just because grush posted two posts where he was almost ready to concede. Does that sound like a town or scum mindset to you? And even if he actually *did* something townish now, it's just stupid to abandon everything before it and think he's town based on two posts. Your sudden change of opinion for such a nonexistent reason seems more like you're grush's teammate and going for a final effort before conceding. I at least can't imagine I'd change my mind around like that if I were in your situation as town. Bussing is a good scum tactic, but not always the best option. The game gets harder for scum as time goes on and if your situation is that bad to begin with, it might be better to risk it than to try delaying for more time. Dunno, that's just WIFOM anyway. What matters is what each player has actually done in this game, not what they might have done instead. Naw, I never said I got a town read on grush. I said I got town vibes from his post. He is still my 2:d scum read atm, not as scummy as Jay but still probebly scum. I have played like 3/4(don't really remember o.O) games with him this far and I don't think I've ever seen him be emotional before. Obviously, that's not exactly alignment indicative, however I get the impression that he actually meant the words he wrote. I want to lynch Jay today because my read on him is faaar stronger and that will give us an extra 72 to determine grush's alignment. You have any more thoughts on him? What's your take on his interactions with Hapa for example? Don't think you've mentioned them yet. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Like, in his last post he basically says jay and grush are scum together. However he's questioning jay as if he's not so sure about jay. If he's not sure about jay but is sure about grush then it makes no sense for the vote to be on jay, since a single mislynch loses us the game. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote: If Jay isn't happening, I'm obviously swapping over to grush.supposing LM is town and has come to the conclusion that grush + jay are the scum it would make far more sense for his vote to be against grush, rather than with grush. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I actually think I agree with that. Both grush and jay are afk currently, if they don't want to pull their weight on this then they're both the scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It banks on us assuming that grush wouldn't try to push jay as a lynch at this point. It's kind of wifomy; the question is whether scum would try to win today, or whether scum would try to win tomorrow. I think it's easier for them to try to win tomorrow if they bus today. So, perhaps jay + grush is the team after all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:12 Xatalos wrote: No, because it's diferent in his situation. He actually called Hopeless slight town independant of SlOosh alignment. Most of you guys just said that Hopeless were looking scummy but SlOosh was likelier scum. It was quite clear that they both couldn't be scum so then it makes sense to first have a town read on Hopeless but then change your mind once he actually flips SK.My read on Hopeless changed as well because he flipped SK instead of scum. It would have been very unlikely that both Sloosh and Hopeless were scum, since they were the two opposing wagons for the day. But since Sloosh flipped SK, it made much more sense for Hopeless to be scum than if Sloosh had flipped scum. What's scummy about this? It's very simple logic. Your logic is what's questionable here for not understanding the basic situation. Lol, nice catch Surely it's grush+Jay with that, haha... Actually Jay *is* weirdly certain about grush being scum with that wording, but it could be just overconfidence in his read. I'm fairly certain grush is scum too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he IS scum.For Jay, I feel he just saw everyone going after Hopeless and thought that because ''everyone is using this SlOosh flipped SK argument, then why can't I?'' when it in fact doesn't make any sense to change your read in that position. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote: DINGDINGDING 10 Points for Mr. WBG!or rather, voting to lynch jay, as if grush gets lynched jay won't, and grush's vote will have been on jay. It banks on us assuming that grush wouldn't try to push jay as a lynch at this point. It's kind of wifomy; the question is whether scum would try to win today, or whether scum would try to win tomorrow. I think it's easier for them to try to win tomorrow if they bus today. So, perhaps jay + grush is the team after all. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm simply more confident that grush is scum. If grush + jay is the team then it truly doesn't matter who we try to lynch first, but I'd rather play safer. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 26 2013 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote: I will swap votes tomorrow unless something interesting happends. Untill then I think its good if we keep up some discussion.lazer, let's lynch grush today though. I'm simply more confident that grush is scum. If grush + jay is the team then it truly doesn't matter who we try to lynch first, but I'd rather play safer. | ||
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