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On January 26 2013 04:23 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 04:02 Xatalos wrote:On January 25 2013 17:08 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 25 2013 14:56 Xatalos wrote:
Lazermonkey, how did you go from grush as definitely most scummy (even over Hapa) to "feeling townie vibes" just from two one-liner posts where grush seems like giving up? That's a scummy attitude to being in a bad spot, not a townish one. And in any case, I don't understand how two one-liners can change someone's mind after seeing him as the most scummy player based on his earlier filler. This is starting to feel like a desperate last attempt by two cornered scum..... After all, once grush flips scum, Lazermonkey would be in a really hard spot to take the game.
##Vote grush57
And I was roleblocked once more.... It's only scummy if I would have a really strong scum read on grush. And if you actually did read my filter, I do have a stronger scum read on Jay for the the time being... And if it really is that obvious scummy in your opinion, why do you think I'm even trying to defend grush? Wouldn't it be better if I just bussed him then? Well, you had a stronger scumread on grush than Hapa yesterday, and now it's apparently gone (or greatly diminished) just because grush posted two posts where he was almost ready to concede. Does that sound like a town or scum mindset to you? And even if he actually *did* something townish now, it's just stupid to abandon everything before it and think he's town based on two posts. Your sudden change of opinion for such a nonexistent reason seems more like you're grush's teammate and going for a final effort before conceding. I at least can't imagine I'd change my mind around like that if I were in your situation as town. Bussing is a good scum tactic, but not always the best option. The game gets harder for scum as time goes on and if your situation is that bad to begin with, it might be better to risk it than to try delaying for more time. Dunno, that's just WIFOM anyway. What matters is what each player has actually done in this game, not what they might have done instead. Yay, Xata is here. Naw, I never said I got a town read on grush. I said I got town vibes from his post. He is still my 2:d scum read atm, not as scummy as Jay but still probebly scum. I have played like 3/4(don't really remember o.O) games with him this far and I don't think I've ever seen him be emotional before. Obviously, that's not exactly alignment indicative, however I get the impression that he actually meant the words he wrote. I want to lynch Jay today because my read on him is faaar stronger and that will give us an extra 72 to determine grush's alignment. You have any more thoughts on him? What's your take on his interactions with Hapa for example? Don't think you've mentioned them yet.
Hmm... Alright, I can see why you'd try to get your stronger read lynched first. I just got the impression that grush had went from total scum to null/townish for you in a span of few minutes (those two posts by grush). But clearly that's not the case, you just had a slight town impression or something. I still don't get why though.
Well, it does look like Hapa is being pretty lenient with Jay. For example:
On January 13 2013 11:16 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 13 2013 11:02 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jay
Please answer my question. Why are you pushing Kush out of one side of your mouth, then proposing a Sloosh RNG lynch out of the other? It reads a lot like you don't give a shit about who dies. Well I just didnt like Kushs post it rubbed me the wrong way way play detrimental on purpose. Does it make him scum? No. But it does make him anti town as fuck again I why put up with bull shit like that. If you dont address it upfront people try to get away with shit like that. I stated this in my reply to Xalatos. Also as to the RNG lynch exactly what i stated It was to create discussion. I heard a vet mention it and decided to try it out. I mean I state in the post its for discussion. Seems like your nitpicking hapa. And while i was writing this you discovered the post to Xalatos. zzzzz Fair enough. Though at this stage of the game, discussion seems to be going well enough to not have to resort to a random-lynch or other discussion-generating plays. There are several interesting things to discuss right now. In particular, I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on Hopeless, as well as the pressure on Grush at the moment. I have no idea. Im assuming its a meta case. I dont recall playing with grush although the name is familiar. I look forward to his case tho. His response to it is odd. A vote for a vote i guess? Dont know what ot make if it.
Although another explanation is that Jay is a lynchbait in general...
Then there's this:
On January 22 2013 10:44 jaybrundage wrote:
Welp Zentor died told that bastard to post >.<
I haven't really thought of hapa much as scum but you guys bring up some good points . His lack of posting is a pretty big warning sign. Also as Ziggler pointed out Hapa hates people lurking and he always does his best to prod the town and push the town and drive discussion This game I havent seen that from him.
Also the fact that hapa hasn't been shot is suspect. However the same can be said of WBG as both are vets that know how to play a good town.
The more I look over hapa the less I see him as town and the more scummy he looks.
However grush is also really scummy his consistent lack of contributing and last day he threw his vote to the side he didn't even want a choice in deciding the lynch candidate. Like what the hell is that?
Im going to have to look things over again. But Iamp is making some good sense.
##Vote Hapahauli
It feels like a really sheepish vote. And would certainly fit the criteria of a plausible bussing play - suddenly coming to the conclusion that Hapa is scummy after it has become the general opinion already, then voting Hapa off-handedly while pushing grush at the same time. I think it would make much more sense for him to vote grush at that point, but he just went with Hapa despite never wanting to lynch him before (although he did show some suspicion about Hapa not being shot yet).
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On January 26 2013 04:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
right, if grush's motivation for lynching jay is that it would put jay in a winnable spot, it makes sense.
I actually think I agree with that. Both grush and jay are afk currently, if they don't want to pull their weight on this then they're both the scum.
I think that's a very possible scenario. After all if we lynch grush today and he flips scum, scum would still win tomorrow if we lynched Lazer then. It would make a lot of sense for grush to be pushing Jay right now if they were to be the remaining scum.
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On January 26 2013 04:31 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 04:12 Xatalos wrote:On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:@Jay's response 1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also: You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game. My read on Hopeless changed as well because he flipped SK instead of scum. It would have been very unlikely that both Sloosh and Hopeless were scum, since they were the two opposing wagons for the day. But since Sloosh flipped SK, it made much more sense for Hopeless to be scum than if Sloosh had flipped scum. What's scummy about this? It's very simple logic. Your logic is what's questionable here for not understanding the basic situation. Lol, nice catch  Surely it's grush+Jay with that, haha... Actually Jay *is* weirdly certain about grush being scum with that wording, but it could be just overconfidence in his read. I'm fairly certain grush is scum too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he IS scum. No, because it's diferent in his situation. He actually called Hopeless slight town independant of SlOosh alignment. Most of you guys just said that Hopeless were looking scummy but SlOosh was likelier scum. It was quite clear that they both couldn't be scum so then it makes sense to first have a town read on Hopeless but then change your mind once he actually flips SK. For Jay, I feel he just saw everyone going after Hopeless and thought that because ''everyone is using this SlOosh flipped SK argument, then why can't I?'' when it in fact doesn't make any sense to change your read in that position.
In fact, I think I get your point now. There's a sense of falseness in the way how Jay changes his read on Hopeless. It almost feels like he forgot he had a slight town read on Hopeless in the first place and just goes with the flow of the thread, to think that Hopeless is more likely scum after Sloosh flipped SK. It's always possible that he changed his mind in between and never mentioned it, but it's also a strong possiblity that he had no read to begin with and just messed with presenting his fake-reads.
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grush and/or Jay, it would be most welcome to hear your thoughts on the things we have discussed today.
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If it's grush+Jay.... Then I must say that Jay has done well to survive this long without almost any suspicions, considering he usually gets lynched early. grush, on the other hand, has put in very close to zero effort so far and I'm actually wondering why he's still alive.
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On January 25 2013 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
also grush called hapa scum BEFORE HOPELESS DIED.
He was so sure Hapa was scum well before Hopeless even fucking flipped.
I don't understand how as town in your situation you can even consider anyone other than grush the best lynch today.
Hecalld a scum scum, therefore he is scum.
go wbg logic!
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On January 26 2013 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
lazer, let's lynch grush today though.
I'm simply more confident that grush is scum. If grush + jay is the team then it truly doesn't matter who we try to lynch first, but I'd rather play safer.
WBG you are scum, you even said yourself your greedy and want to end it early.
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The question is, is who is your buddy wbg.
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so if I was scum with Hapa why the fuck would I let him kill himself?
I'm not that bad of a scum player that I would encourage my own teammate to suicide.
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Also you guys chose against starsenses :'(.
I wish the lunar senses apon all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On January 26 2013 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
so if I was scum with Hapa why the fuck would I let him kill himself?
I'm not that bad of a scum player that I would encourage my own teammate to suicide.
Actually you said that you wanted to lynch grush, but no one went with you so you had to bus him. Hapa was dead and you knew it brohan
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I'm more certain of wbg being scum so
##Unvote
##Vote: WhereBugsGo
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On January 26 2013 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
lololol this is comical
everything is carefree when you're going to win
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Also, how mad will you guys be when I flip green?
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I'd be pretty mad if you flipped green.
Like, going all game by doing absolutely shit all is just really aggravating to me.
Hey Xata, are you still around? I want to ask you something.
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Grush, you aren't convincing me that you are town very well. Which is kinda bad because you will die.
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It's wbg and jay, or wbg and lazer.
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*Grush advice*
If you have a bad feeling about lynching someone, it is because it is a mislynch
*That has been, Grush advice*
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On January 26 2013 08:43 grush57 wrote:
*Grush advice*
If you have a bad feeling about lynching someone, it is because it is a mislynch
*That has been, Grush advice* ##Unvote
##Vote: grush57
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EPT
