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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 25 2013 23:51 GMT
#1941
you have almost exactly 24 hours to convince me and the rest of the town why we shouldn't lynch you. Right now, you might as well surrender like Hapa did if you are scum. You saying 60% of the remaining players may be scum does not cut it if you are town.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 26 2013 00:43 GMT
#1942
Votecount

grush57 (3): Xatalos, wherebugsgo, Lazermonkey
Lazermonkey (1): jaybrundage
wherebugsgo (1): grush57


Currently, grush57 is set to be lynched!
< 1 day until deadline.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 26 2013 01:52 GMT
#1943
where the fuck is xata?

Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.

I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.

jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 26 2013 02:43 GMT
#1944
On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Jay's response

1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again?

2. My point still stands.

3. Okay, fair enough.

4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him...

Also:
Show nested quote +
You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town.
Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.


Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.

I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 26 2013 02:43 GMT
#1945
##Vote Grush57

As i said im fine with either grush or lazer
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 26 2013 02:47 GMT
#1946
On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
where the fuck is xata?

Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.

I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.


WBG what changed your scum reads?

What makes you convinced that im scum now?

Also why do you think grush and lazer is too simple?
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 26 2013 10:44 GMT
#1947
Anyone here wants to do some chitty chatty?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 26 2013 10:58 GMT
#1948
On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Jay's response

1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again?

2. My point still stands.

3. Okay, fair enough.

4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him...

Also:
You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town.
Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.


Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.

I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.
You see, I think you are lying here. Note the bolded part in this post:
On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 10:26 slOosh wrote:
jay, you haven't objectively commented on hopeless. Right now you have him as town because you think I'm scum. That won't do. What about his posts show that he is town?

Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on.

However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process.

SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?

Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?



@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?


Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.)

So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch?

Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless?

I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Bugs, how do you go from:
On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.

slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.

##unvote
##vote slOosh
to
On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.

I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless.

@Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII?


Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively.

In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=52#1022

Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town.

Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself.

is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First.

Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?:
On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?

If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.

Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town.

Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself?


Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation
##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh




On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless?

Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread.


@Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum?
You see, it actually doesn't make any sense for you to be swapping your reads on Hopeless just because SlOosh slips SK. From scum PoV SlOosh looks just like a townie, so why would you actually change your read (town hopeless -> scum hopeless) because SlOosh flipped SK? Had SlOosh been town and Hopeless been scum, scum would have been just as inclined to save Hopeless as if Hopeless were scum and SlOosh SK. I think this logical faliure is a quite strong proof of that you cannot be town...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 26 2013 11:03 GMT
#1949
On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
where the fuck is xata?

Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.

I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.

WBG, if your only possible scum teams involve Jay (+me or grush) at this point I suggest we we kill Jay today then.
##Unvote
##Vote: jaybrundage
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 26 2013 12:57 GMT
#1950
Votecount

grush57 (3): Xatalos, wherebugsgo, jaybrundage
wherebugsgo (1): grush57
jaybrundage (1): Lazermonkey


Currently, grush57 is set to be lynched!
~ 11 hours until deadline.

A backwards poet writes inverse.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 12:58 GMT
#1951
On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
where the fuck is xata?

Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.

I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.



Was sleeping... Look at the world clock And yeah, it's quite late to wake up now, but I had tons of sleep debt so I didn't wake up until now (lol).

I think grush+Jay is most likely at this point. It just makes the most sense considering the connections between the two potential scum players. I wouldn't rule out grush+Lazer or Lazer+Jay either, though. I'm just starting to think that Lazer is becoming less likely scum recently with his much increased activity and analytical focus on scumhunting. grush and Jay, on the other hand, haven't really done anything to make themself look more townish today.

In any case, why is grush+Lazer "too simple" in your opinion? Occam's razor (simplest solution) is usually the correct one.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 13:06 GMT
#1952
On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Jay's response

1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again?

2. My point still stands.

3. Okay, fair enough.

4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him...

Also:
You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town.
Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.


Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.

I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.


That second part makes sense... But how did you go from "slight town" on Hopeless to "probably scum" just because Sloosh flipped SK? It would make sense if you originally thought Hopeless was scummy, but it just feels too opportunistic to switch your read around based on how the thread is going. Most of the thread were thinking that Hopeless was likely scum now, so you just went with it despite having a townread on him before.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 13:13 GMT
#1953
On January 26 2013 20:03 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
where the fuck is xata?

Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.

I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.

WBG, if your only possible scum teams involve Jay (+me or grush) at this point I suggest we we kill Jay today then.
##Unvote
##Vote: jaybrundage


I actually have no clue why you+grush is "too simple" for WBG. In my opinion, grush makes most sense as scum no matter who the other scum is. There is a point to be made about you looking more townish recently, though, especially with your activity and analytical approach. That would make you+grush and you+Jay less likely and grush+Jay more likely. I don't see why WBG would "rule out" grush+you though and not you+Jay at the same time.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 13:19 GMT
#1954
On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
##Vote Grush57

As i said im fine with either grush or lazer


Don't you really have any preference? Do you care about the lynch or are you just sheeping the result?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 26 2013 15:03 GMT
#1955
On January 26 2013 19:58 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Jay's response

1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again?

2. My point still stands.

3. Okay, fair enough.

4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him...

Also:
You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town.
Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.


Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.

I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.
You see, I think you are lying here. Note the bolded part in this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 17 2013 10:26 slOosh wrote:
jay, you haven't objectively commented on hopeless. Right now you have him as town because you think I'm scum. That won't do. What about his posts show that he is town?

Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on.

However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process.

SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning.

On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?

Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?



@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?


Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.)

So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch?

Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless?

I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Bugs, how do you go from:
On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.

slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.

##unvote
##vote slOosh
to
On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.

I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless.

@Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII?


Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively.

In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=52#1022

Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town.

Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself.

is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First.

Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?:
On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?

If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.

Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town.

Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself?


Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation
##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh




On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless?

Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread.


@Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum?
You see, it actually doesn't make any sense for you to be swapping your reads on Hopeless just because SlOosh slips SK. From scum PoV SlOosh looks just like a townie, so why would you actually change your read (town hopeless -> scum hopeless) because SlOosh flipped SK? Had SlOosh been town and Hopeless been scum, scum would have been just as inclined to save Hopeless as if Hopeless were scum and SlOosh SK. I think this logical faliure is a quite strong proof of that you cannot be town...

Does it make sense logically no it doesn't. But due to my absent in the game with internet problems. I felt it better to sheep vets I had town reads on them to refuse to lynch someone I had a mostly null read on. While it's not optimal play I wasn't confident in my own reads to go against some vets I had a town read on.

Also I'm in NYC for some of the weekend for my aunts 25 anniversary. So hopefully I can be a bit more active.

Xatalos what's your opinions on the scum team?

Do you think that Grush Lazer if the most likely. The only other one I can think of that would make sense would be WBG Lazer.

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 26 2013 15:11 GMT
#1956
On January 26 2013 22:19 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
##Vote Grush57

As i said im fine with either grush or lazer


Don't you really have any preference? Do you care about the lynch or are you just sheeping the result?

While I think Lazer/Grush is the mostly likley I voted Lazer first cause, Lamp's last words about Grush being a coin flip kind of stuck with me.

While I think they are still the most likely scum team. Grush's case against bugs while not a great case had some good effort in it. I pushed him for it some content. And he stepped up so I hesitated to vote him first.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 26 2013 17:59 GMT
#1957
Well, the thread pretty much died. Scum were the more active members and now they lurk cuz of ez win :'(
WBG and Jay, gogogo
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 18:09 GMT
#1958
On January 27 2013 00:03 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 19:58 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Jay's response

1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again?

2. My point still stands.

3. Okay, fair enough.

4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him...

Also:
You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town.
Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.


Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.

I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.
You see, I think you are lying here. Note the bolded part in this post:
On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 17 2013 10:26 slOosh wrote:
jay, you haven't objectively commented on hopeless. Right now you have him as town because you think I'm scum. That won't do. What about his posts show that he is town?

Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on.

However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process.

SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning.

On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?

Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?



@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?


Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.)

So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch?

Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless?

I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy:
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On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:
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On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
Bugs, how do you go from:
On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.

slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.

##unvote
##vote slOosh
to
On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.

I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless.

@Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII?


Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively.

In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=52#1022

Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town.

Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself.

is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First.

Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?:
On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?

If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.

Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town.

Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself?


Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation
##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh




On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless?

Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread.


@Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum?
You see, it actually doesn't make any sense for you to be swapping your reads on Hopeless just because SlOosh slips SK. From scum PoV SlOosh looks just like a townie, so why would you actually change your read (town hopeless -> scum hopeless) because SlOosh flipped SK? Had SlOosh been town and Hopeless been scum, scum would have been just as inclined to save Hopeless as if Hopeless were scum and SlOosh SK. I think this logical faliure is a quite strong proof of that you cannot be town...

Does it make sense logically no it doesn't. But due to my absent in the game with internet problems. I felt it better to sheep vets I had town reads on them to refuse to lynch someone I had a mostly null read on. While it's not optimal play I wasn't confident in my own reads to go against some vets I had a town read on.

Also I'm in NYC for some of the weekend for my aunts 25 anniversary. So hopefully I can be a bit more active.

Xatalos what's your opinions on the scum team?

Do you think that Grush Lazer if the most likely. The only other one I can think of that would make sense would be WBG Lazer.



If you read one of my latest posts, you'd see that I'm considering grush+you the most likely combination. grush+Lazer is possible, but the connections between you and grush look worse (you hesitating so much to vote him while still pushing him, grush attempting to gain cred for you by voting for you earlier and now backing off to WBG...).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
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Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 18:15 GMT
#1959
It's so easy to explain in-thread inactivity with RL stuff :/ I guess it's better than having no reason at all (looking at certain players), but it's still annoying.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 26 2013 18:15 GMT
#1960
Btw Jay, why do you include WBG in your scum choices? Wasn't he a good townread for you?
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