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if bugs is scum he almost certainly deserves to win. However the simpler explanation is simply that he is town. Outside of me he has been the most active and seems to care the most about who gets lynched (townie traits to me)
He also has some recent tells that make him almost certainly town.
showing doubt on the hapa lynch here
On January 22 2013 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
okay so including the RB claim, why would Hapa as scum push Hopeless so hard with not even a shred of a backup plan?
Would a scum really suicidally push a townie that hard? I'm not getting that part at all.
sure, some of his reads look strange in hindsight, after knowing that Hopeless flipped town, but I think you can find town motivation behind most, if not all, of the things that he did. I'm super confused at why a scum, who knows Hopeless is town (and that Hopeless is one of the better players in the game) would just push him so hard for two days straight with not even an ounce of hesitation.
Tunnel-syndrome is almost exclusive to townies. If anyone has seen Hapa play a scum game before in this style I'd love to see it, It is troubling that he didn't do a read-dump and that he's afk now but this is mind boggling to me.
wbg as scum would know that hapa was scum and there was simply no way that hapa was not getting lynched at this point. It would have been far easier for a scum wbg to just sit and bus his buddy. In this situation he would have had to recognize the idea that him showing doubt here might come across to some as townie since there was zero chance of hapa being saved.
Therefore the simple explanation is that wbg is town would you combine it with his activity and caring of who gets lynched.
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as we concluded last night xaltos is town not gonna bother going through his filter.
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i might have to save the rest of you to this afternoon.
some questions though while i ponder
1- jay describe your town play to me if you would be so kind.
2- grush wbg is town who is your scum team?
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On January 24 2013 22:58 iamperfection wrote:
as we concluded last night xaltos is town not gonna bother going through his filter. AFAIK, we didn't really conclude Xata being town. But it is very likely due to the fact that he got RB when scum knew there probebly were more blue roles.
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On January 24 2013 23:48 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 22:58 iamperfection wrote:
as we concluded last night xaltos is town not gonna bother going through his filter. AFAIK, we didn't really conclude Xata being town. But it is very likely due to the fact that he got RB when scum knew there probebly were more blue roles.
this is an educated guessing game after all...
very likely concluded same thing.
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On January 24 2013 23:51 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 23:48 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 24 2013 22:58 iamperfection wrote:
as we concluded last night xaltos is town not gonna bother going through his filter. AFAIK, we didn't really conclude Xata being town. But it is very likely due to the fact that he got RB when scum knew there probebly were more blue roles. this is an educated guessing game after all... very likely concluded same thing. I C WHAT U MEAN:
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jay and grush are the scum in your view lazer correct?
Why are you not trying to convince me?
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On January 25 2013 00:40 iamperfection wrote:
jay and grush are the scum in your view lazer correct?
Why are you not trying to convince me? Case on Jay is comming later when I have time.
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I can believe that jay is scum.
The problem is whether we consider Lazer coming close to being lynched being a product of him being scum or just being easily lynchable.
zzz :/ It's almost like a coinflip between lazer and jay.
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Jay
Well, after really analysing his filter, I must say he looks far far worse than grush.
1. His vote on Hopeless.
All of Jay's votes this far has been super funky. But the one who is by far the most funky is his vote on hopeless. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 10:26 slOosh wrote:
jay, you haven't objectively commented on hopeless. Right now you have him as town because you think I'm scum. That won't do. What about his posts show that he is town? Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on. However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process. SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning. Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?
Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?
@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.) So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch? Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless? I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Bugs, how do you go from: On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.
slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.
##unvote
##vote slOosh to On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.
I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless. @Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII? Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively. In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=52#1022Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town. Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself. is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First. Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?: On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?
If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.
Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town. Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself? Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation ##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh
On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless? Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread. @Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum? On January 18 2013 09:45 jaybrundage wrote:Given that Sloosh was SK. It makes my read of hopeless off. I assumed that sloosh would flip scum which would make Hopeless more likly to be town. But with Sloosh flipping SK it makes Hopeless seem a lot scummier imo. Tmw we should lynch hopeless or lynch grush. His pretty useless and hasn't contributed at all. When he does deem to give his reads. He doesn't follow it with any reasoning. Also Mr.Z i said it before but you gotta step it up. Where is the late game Mr.Z that was promised to me 
2. His interactions with Hapa
self-explanatory + and I did post about this earlier.
3. He doesn't really have any town reads.
Giving out town reads usually isn't alignment indicative. But the way Jay does it, I feel it is. His only real town reads (and by ''real'', I'm excluding stuff like null/slight town shit) were WBG and MrZentor. Both for shit reasons. WBG because he said that it made no sense for both him and SlOosh and WBG to be scum but SlOosh hadn't even flipped at that point. MrZentor because he defended him at the start if D1... I get the impression that he is trying to buddy up with the vets while setting up bandwagons everywhere else.
4. His back and forth with grush
Note that this is actually not that dependant on grush being scum, though it does indeed make him look worse if grush is indeed scum. Basically all game he has got a scum read on grush it seems, yet he doesn't want to vote him nor truly push him. He just keeps on poking him a little bit now and then. Very non-commital. Look at British Empire MM where he had a scum read on Mr.CC and note the big diference compared to this game. In both game he was having a scum read who noone else was really interested in. In British, he kept pushing Mr. CC like a madman. In this game, not so much. Also, why no vote on grush? In British he mentions CC for like the third time ever in the game and BAM, vote right away.+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
So regarding Jay's stuff on DP... it doesn't look very good. It looks a lot like he's trying to shovel shit on DP.
After Hero Mini, my view on Jay is that he's lynch-bait, so I'm rather hesitant about lynching him. Right now, I'm unsure how likely his behavior is coming from a "town-Jay." His play on it's face is scummy, but I really need to hear more from him.
@ Jay
What do you make of my newly disclosed town-read on DP? Agree or disagree?
Secondly, your quote accusing DP of assuming I was town was very clearly mis-interpreting his actions (in which he very clearly qualified as only IF I was town). It doesn't look very good. Explain yourself. First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So Xatalos is scummy yo
So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy.
Dat 180 on DP. Explain. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote
##Vote Mr.CheeseCake
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mm, If it isn't wbg it has to be jay + LZ
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On January 25 2013 05:22 grush57 wrote:
mm, If it isn't wbg it has to be jay + LZ its LYLO. There is no ''if it isn't WBG it is...''. If we misslynch once more, we lose. Simple as that. Do you belive WBG is scum or not?
Yesterday you called Jay probebly town. What is it that makes him scum today?
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Because if wbg isn't then jay is.
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On January 25 2013 05:44 grush57 wrote:
Because if wbg isn't then jay is. Lol.
Is WBG/me your biggest scum read?
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Yea I'm not scum so it's between you, wbg, and jay.
No one wants to lynch wbg, and the only person who agreed on the case was jay who's probably scum. I'd put you Lazer at #1 and then Jay at #2.
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I'm going to bed now... See you all tomorrow!
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i started righting a case on jay but i now think he is town. He seems pretty active and he asks a lot of questions regarding the current reads hes pushing and asking what people think of his case.
Seems townie to me
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which would lead to the conclusion of lazer grush scum team.
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On January 25 2013 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
which would lead to the conclusion of lazer grush scum team.
yep, I keep constantly coming back to that too.
With jay his votes are weird and his interactions with hapa are kinda weird but other than that...I can't really tell the difference between his play this game and his play in any game where he is town. When he is around he is at least giving forth the feeling that he actually cares about winning and killing scum.
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