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Votecount:
threesr (3): FatChunk, Mocsta, cDgCorazon
cDgCorazon (3): Aquanim, Chromatically, OmniEulogy
Mocsta (1): shz
Orangeremi (1): cakepie
FatChunk (1): threesr
Not voting (4): Kickstart, Orangeremi, Spaghetticus, Sylencia
Currently, cDgCorazon is set to be lynched! A bit less than 21 hours remaining in day 1.
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Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +cDgCorazon (3): Aquanim, Chromatically, threesr, OmniEulogy
threesr (3): FatChunk, Mocsta, Corazon
Mocsta (1): shz, threesr,
Orangeremi (1): cakepie
FatChunk (1): threesr, threesr
Aquanim (0): cDgCorazon
shz (0): Mocsta
Not voting (4): Kickstart, Orangeremi, Spaghetticus, Sylencia
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@Orangeremi
Do you still believe it is not beneficial for mafia to lurk? You shouldn’t, as you’d be wrong. As I have done before, I would point you to the resources available on this topic on this very forum. Lurking bad. Speaking of which, you still only have a one page filter. Admittedly my filter is only two pages, but your one page only has 1-2 posts of any substance.
Step up if you’re town, continue to stagnate if you’re scum.
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@Sylencia
I have not yet read your filter yet but you need to step up now as you have very little time left before you need to vote. You are actually a mildly scummy read for me in that the only real information I have on you is that you have claimed a legitimate reason to lurk. You will need to put a lot of effort in if you want your words to stay strong in your absence.
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I don't have much to add at the moment. I've already said that I don't think threesrs talk of lurking was scummy earlier and that hasn't changed, though I don't have a town read on him either, just that I don't think scum would advocate lurking because they would have to know that that is risky.
I think people have brought up good points all around but I don't see any solid cases yet and I think a lot of the current cases being thrown around are just OMGUS votes and pointing out silly things ;/.
I will say that what I am looking at right now is the votes on threesr, because I feel threesr would be the easiest target for scum to go after at the moment, and right now there are three votes on him, my bet is there is scum in that group.
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@Kickstart
I'm afraid I didn't make myself clear, though you were you for an update anyway XD
I asked you because you've played the most games, how are the players in the current game acting in comparison to when you've played with them before? I assume you've run into at least one in your travels?
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@Shz
Your most recent post about lynch benefits is IMO your first redeeming post, but it's a goldie. Two or three more posts like that and I'll take you off my to-lynch list.
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On December 20 2012 12:17 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Orangeremi
Do you still believe it is not beneficial for mafia to lurk? You shouldn’t, as you’d be wrong. As I have done before, I would point you to the resources available on this topic on this very forum. Lurking bad. Speaking of which, you still only have a one page filter. Admittedly my filter is only two pages, but your one page only has 1-2 posts of any substance.
Step up if you’re town, continue to stagnate if you’re scum.
I suppose what I mean to say was that lurking isn't completely beneficial to Mafia. They will get much more done and be more successful (bar slip ups and mistakes) when active was my point.
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@Spaghetticus
Alright  Basically after reading through everything FatChunk has posted it's not really a give-away as Kickstart has just said. However I believe that FatChunk defending of Corazon, the fact that only he and Mocsta (who I believe to be town at the moment) are also voting for Theesr who is also as Kickstart mentioned an easy target because of his actions leads me to believe that we are right about Corazon and FatChunk is also scum trying to help start a bandwagon on Theesr so we don't lynch Corazon. This is a large assumption but it makes sense if they both are scum. FatChunk can't just sit idly by while we lynch his partner after all.
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@Spag
Our objective as town is to lynch mafia. What we should not be doing is lynching for information instead of lynching mafia. The information gained from a flip is not great enough that we should lynch a townier player. If you look at what shz's post actually says, there's very little actual conclusions that could be drawn. Most of it is just "x is possible scum". All of it is just worrying about the d2 lynch, which we should do on d2 instead of now.
I dislike your post saying that we should "expect a town lynch". Good towns can find scum d1. Good players can be correct in their reads with over "40%" certainty. Your post reads like you're not going to even try to find scum.
Who do you want to lynch right now?
@Kickstart
Come on, you have to do better than that. You're the most experienced player here and you haven't said anything for 24h. What do you think about my cases on Corazon/FC?
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However that is not a solid read because as I said in an earlier post the only reason I don't think Theesr is scum is because of Corazon. if Theesr is scum and he abused Corazon's mistakes properly then FatChunk would just be defending a townie and I would be wrong.
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For the record, I agree that there are association cases to be made between Corazon and FC, but they should wait until after one of them flips red. Focus on today.
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Germany2686 Posts
On December 20 2012 11:50 Chromatically wrote:
@shz
We should be lynching the player who is most likely to flip scum, not based on any information we might gain. We can look at association stuff after the flip, but we want to focus on lynching scum before. Based solely on who will flip scum, who do you want to lynch and can you move your vote there?
On December 20 2012 12:48 Chromatically wrote:
@Spag
Our objective as town is to lynch mafia. What we should not be doing is lynching for information instead of lynching mafia. The information gained from a flip is not great enough that we should lynch a townier player. If you look at what shz's post actually says, there's very little actual conclusions that could be drawn. Most of it is just "x is possible scum". All of it is just worrying about the d2 lynch, which we should do on d2 instead of now.
I dislike your post saying that we should "expect a town lynch". Good towns can find scum d1. Good players can be correct in their reads with over "40%" certainty.
We we will never be able to be sure, so we have to single some guys out, discuss, search for tells, and lynch one. And I think it is to our benifit to also include possible information we can get from it in our decisions. We will most certainly lynch town too, so better make it worthwhile in terms of information. This is not me saying we should lynch town for information, it is saying we should always keep in mind that our lynch can flip as town, so better take the safe bet and at least get some information out of, if the worst case will happen. I think all three are good (for the amount of information we have) picks.
On December 20 2012 11:56 OmniEulogy wrote:
That is true but I think he's saying all three of them are the top scum picks and then based on information we gain from each of them the one we benefit the greatest from is Corazon from his list.
Excactly.
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On December 20 2012 03:55 cakepie wrote:
Mocsta Q: Consider: if threesr is lazy "scumhunting" because he simply doesn’t know any better -- how would that measure against your case against shz for sheeping, and poor vote justification i.e. lack of critical analysis before voting based on "questions raised by others"?
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I think threesr does know better.
+ Show Spoiler +Obviously his posts are small in size, but the tone/intent conveyed is easily identifiable in each post as the same. + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 11:25 threesr wrote:
1. I think lurking is fine at all points in the game. On December 20 2012 03:09 threesr wrote:
No I dont like writing a lot. and the one I love the most (as in made me laugh out loud)...On December 20 2012 03:12 shz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:09 threesr wrote:
@threesr
Could you elaborate on your scumread for Chunk? ... You go read his posts and make your own decision. Threesr then goes on to comment that there is time left in the day and throws in this beauty. On December 20 2012 09:01 threesr wrote:
.... Not that much chaos has been caused imo. Through out Day 1, many posters have called out Threesr for his posts. This quote above demonstrates his position clearly. I stand 100% by my read that he is a threat to town.This can be for the following reasons: (AFAIK) (1) Lurking Nature could be Mafia modus operandiI think this is unlikely. Threesr has proven he is willing to stand by his point of view, which may be considered anti-mafia. (2) Bad TownieCould be viable. His posts are so aggressive and snide, it is easy to dislike him. If he was a townie, this is *creating* confusion, and not aiding the scum hunting environment. (3) Neither Mafia nor TownThere is still the possibility of Rene Des Cartes being a role (aka Serial Killer). I think the way Threesr is playing is potentially the way an SK would play. (i.e. wanting to lurk, but at the same time voting Town/Mafia doesnt matter, so can easily change votes)
For me, all the reason above are genuine threats to town.
(2) How does it measure against my case for shz
+ Show Spoiler +Both of them had marginal cases, that is clear for all to see. I figured with some pressure induced by a vote, one of them may start to enter discussions more proactively. Between Threesr and Shz; I had to choose Shz. Threesr had openly acknowledged his willingness to lurk. => there was a high chance town would get zero gain for the vote. Even if he did speak.. retorts such as " On December 20 2012 08:55 threesr wrote:I have a good reason, because im not the mafia. Do little to aid scum hunting.
Ultimately, overnight, there has been several pages of discussion. Some of it quite productive. This can only aid town in the scum hunt.
Lastly,
Having thought about my impact on Day 1.
I realise I need to give more opportunities for others to speak.
Unfortunately, some of my 'spam' has resulted in lurkers being able to dodge questions directed at them.
In no ways do I infer that I will now lurk. I still plan to post actively, just, I will ensure I at least proof-read before posting!!
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I'm just saying that we shouldn't lynch based on the amount of 'information' we get. Yes, of course it's always possible for the lynch to flip town. And yes, there is information to be gained from associations. But association cases should wait until d2 when we actually know a players' alignment.
Basically, we lynch the most scummy player and then look at association d2. There's no benefit to looking at it now if we are trying to lynch mafia.
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@Mocsta
Comments on Corazon/FC after my cases?
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Germany2686 Posts
On December 20 2012 12:59 Chromatically wrote:
I'm just saying that we shouldn't lynch based on the amount of 'information' we get. Yes, of course it's always possible for the lynch to flip town. And yes, there is information to be gained from associations. But association cases should wait until d2 when we actually know a players' alignment.
Basically, we lynch the most scummy player and then look at association d2. There's no benefit to looking at it now if we are trying to lynch mafia.
But you do come to the same conclusion that we should (at least at the moment) lynch Corazon?
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Well since no one is going to vote for this FC guy my plan is to hop on the Corazon train. Im still down for a Mocsta lynch if you guys wanna do that.
##unvote
##vote cDgCorazon
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Yes, right now I want to lynch Corazon, with FC in a close second. Tomorrow I will examine them again to make sure that that really is my preference; hopefully at least one will have responded by then.
If you want to lynch Corazon, can you move your vote to him?
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Germany2686 Posts
I would have done it tomorrow but I can do it now I guess.
##Unvote
##Vote cDgCorazon
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