EPTI'm guessing he has a suicide bomber-type role as cyrus has a rather unfortunate demise at the hands of Magus in the game.
Finally went through all the filters. Now going to go through my short-list to make my proposed party...
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
I'm guessing he has a suicide bomber-type role as cyrus has a rather unfortunate demise at the hands of Magus in the game. Finally went through all the filters. Now going to go through my short-list to make my proposed party... | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:28 kitaman27 wrote: My proposed party: Myself - You guys still have more than two options for leader  Acrofales - Acro has been quite opinionated and appears to care about the outcome of the event. I like that he tries to open the game with a plan (even if his choices were premature) and he is attempting to direct discussion. Dienosore - I'd take a Frog over a Toad by my side any day. Ignoring the first few trollish posts, I find his posts sincere. Something that caught my attention was your instance that you be the party leader, which leads me to worry that your insistence to be elected may be role related. Would you be content as a member of the party, rather than the leader? Promethelax - Maybe the weakest preference of the four, but I'm usually pretty trusting of a player that is trying to come up with a way to use the setup to benefit the town. Even though I disagree with the idea, I like the effort. Of his remaining posts, nothing has jumped out to me as something to worry about. Of course these four selections are subject to change as the game goes on. Do I really not have any votes?  @Kita You are not going to get my vote. First of all, I don't know if you are town or not yet. Moreover, I don't share your town read on Acro and I didn't look at Prom yet. In my opinion, Oats and Clarity are town and these reads are easier to get than yours. I like the idea that you are taking Dieno with you. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
I will not lie. None of these I have a "definitely town" read on. However, given the context of their play so far, I feel their play is more likely town-motivated than scum-motivated, and the best prospects for being town. In no particular order: 1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route. 2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read. 3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform. A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown. I would not say these names are 100% rigid, but I would have to hear a really damn good argument for me to change this lineup. I look forward to hearing what all of you have to say. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 22 2012 09:53 sandroba wrote: That's a clear misrepresentation of what happened. Many people were putting their names out there to be party leader and I came about with a different aproach and it got support based on the ideas in it. Mafia hardly ever goes against the consensus and stick their neck out there to oppose in that way. That's a shitty, if not mafia oriented, reason for opposing me. You even include syllo in it randomly and don't comment on why he isn't the choice. I'm catching up, but writing as I read. I have never played with either of you before, I have trouble reading you and while it is true that you gained much support on a good idea. One which you got from reading the OP more acuretly than anyone else (we all thought that we needed strong players on the team, you realized that all we needed was townie players) you are a smart guy and, from what I have read of you, I would bet that you would have made this same play as town or scum. The fact that there was not an obvious counter wagon after you makes me lean scummy on you just as an unopposed lynch on day 1 would give me a townie read on the player who was up for lynch. I did not address Syllo because he did not seem to be a credible candidate to me at that point. I'm not going to vote Acro as he did not try to generate momentum from my vote on him and I will be voting somewhere else instead. On November 21 2012 13:16 Z-BosoN wrote: Well that's an easy way to make sure your town reads don't look so suspicious, isn't it? nah brah, it is how I play. I don't vote for a scum read until I think they are scum even if the thread as a whole disagrees (look at my d1 town vibes on muso in ACME). I was about to support Kush as a townie. He talked to me pre game about his fear of the size of this game and the themey-ness of this game. He was truly concerned and did want a just Vanilla game. I would expect more posts from scum kush because he would want to match his meta. My vote will be on Kita, the candidate I trust. The reasons I trust him 1) I am in his party and know that I am town. That leaves only three others in the party and I have a town read on all three. 2) I am very unhappy with how into Syllo/Sand this thread is. The lack of a real campaign away from theirs worries the shit out of me. Mafia would want to be leader or in the party and the only way that is confirmed is if one of them is mafia. Ergo ## vote: kitaman I'm keeping up with the thread but doing my best to spam less as I have less to say. Trying to keep my posting short and sweet, this thread is hard enough to read without my help. I'll be around for a bit. Any questions: shoot. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
1) I miss being called prox <3 2) Your proposed team is butt fuck bad. Including Sand makes voting you as bad an idea as voting Sand. If I was confidant that Sand was town I'd vote his ass over yours any day (no offense but he is a beast and you are one of the top newbs to come out of the games when I was new. But so are Keir and Hapa). 3) Oats isn't a town read, he is an 'excited to play mafia' read. He reminds me a lot of my first game where I posted all of the posts even though I was mafia and being quiet would have been smarter. 4) you called Djo a weak town read for you and said you couldn't see this team changing. Sorry bud, not a chance you'll get my vote. I like you as a person but this election ain't for you. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
What do you think of GK and his latest campaign post ? What do you think of his ticket ? What makes you think that Dieno and Acro are town ? Especially Acro please... | ||
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France3332 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So you have a null read on me now I guess Prome. Do you have any scum reads so far? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 22 2012 15:13 Promethelax wrote: *snip* My vote will be on Kita, the candidate I trust. The reasons I trust him 1) I am in his party and know that I am town. That leaves only three others in the party and I have a town read on all three. 2) I am very unhappy with how into Syllo/Sand this thread is. The lack of a real campaign away from theirs worries the shit out of me. Mafia would want to be leader or in the party and the only way that is confirmed is if one of them is mafia. Ergo ## vote: kitaman This kind of linking yourself to a player running for candidacy makes me suspicious as hell, and I'm sure you can understand why. I mean, I can certainly see you as a townie seeing someone talking about adding you to their party if they get elected and thinking "Oh, I should elect that guy!". But if you're scum, you're going to want to do the exact same thing, and if you're scum together you would want to do it even more. It feels like you're trying awfully hard to discredit the other candidates while pushing your own which has a personal benefit to you. As an aside, I just realized that this is kind of a side effect of asking potential candidates to lay out their list of players that they want to bring in their party. If any of those people are scum, scum are going to do whatever they can to try to make sure that person gets elected party leader over other ones. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Oats is trying to figure shit out and has shown some scumhunting effort. He reacts to everything going on in the thread, lately Kush "shooting" marv and looks genuine. Along with GK and Clarity, he is among my strongest tow reads. Regarding sandro, he came out with a good idea showing that he has town interests in mind for his campaign which he announced directly. I have a slight town read on him because I have never played with him when he was mafia but I know his town play from our Looney game, and it really looks and also feels like it. I'm satisfied with GK party and my vote stays on him. I'm going to promote his campaign from now on. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On November 21 2012 21:42 kitaman27 wrote: There are quite a few people who claim to be voting for sandroba on the basis that they claim to be able to easily differentiate his scum play from his town play. The only reason I see this as the case is that he commonly gets lazy and stops caring or posting as mafia. However, that's simply due to personal choice. How many people here other than maybe syllo are confidant they can identify a scum sandro when he remains active? Having played with him in pypi (an election game), I know he is quite capable of fooling most people when there is something he wants. I'm quite puzzled by the fact that marv hasn't run for election. As being one of the most active players recently, I think he would be fairly confident at being able to gain support for himself. As town, I know I want to be the leader because that is the only way to directly increase our chances of success. marv however appears to want to avoid the spotlight and participate in an advising role or at least gauge the support he has. Could you explain this decision? Work time. I'll try to start identifying some town players when I get back if I'm confident enough. Why are you trying to ward people away from voting for sandroba? You are fear mongering that he 'might' be turning over a new-leaf as scum and as such, shouldn't vote for him on that basis. So far, all that you've done to indicate that you think sandroba is scum is to colour his name in red (along with syllo and marv) with no other explanation. Care to go into detail about why you think he is scum? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Today I think it's a good idea not to reveal, at least if I'm the leader, who the party is going to be until the action resolving period, because that minimizes potential of mafia roles somehow messing with the success of the party (doesn't eliminate it though) and prevents them from sniping party members in case it's an all town party. The main advantage in revealing who is coming is to provide more information regarding the alignment of the party leader, but I do not think that is necessary if I get elected. I have never been lynched as town and will never likely be; it should soon be extremely clear whether I'm town or not, it already is in fact. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Djo: Acro has been saying things that I think before I think them. Ergo townie read. Kier: I've been thinking of that as well (encryption could solve this problem  ) but the hell with it. I have town reads on everyone Kita plans on picking. I know I am town. I am very worried about Sand/Syllo. I was planning on voting away from them and won't vote for them even if Kita changes his party to exclude me. Oats: my scum reads, or non-town reads really I'm betting on a three party system, are pretty minor (if I were Marv they'd be pink or something) Hapa reads as non-town to me he has not been the assertive, pushy in my face townie I expect and I don't like it. I will bet that at least one of Syllo/Sand is scum. I think I explained well enough earlier and I'm sticking with that. If you need clarification I can give you that. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On November 22 2012 13:51 kushm4sta wrote: ^this made me lol. I feel really sick. Like really sick, My symptoms include sore throat, constant shivers, and a fever. What I most regret is I made this really sick breadcrumb saying I was Cyrus and now I won't get to use it. ##Nirvana Strike: Marvellosity Why is nobody commenting on this ^^^^^^ ? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm really eager to see the flip. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
And yes, if Kush is telling the truth (which I think he is, one of them will flip) I think that Kush is town and we'll see how this goes. I have no comment until the flip though. Syllo, glad to hear it. As such who would compose your party? Or who would not make the cut? | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On November 22 2012 15:18 Promethelax wrote: GK: 1) I miss being called prox <3 2) Your proposed team is butt fuck bad. Including Sand makes voting you as bad an idea as voting Sand. If I was confidant that Sand was town I'd vote his ass over yours any day (no offense but he is a beast and you are one of the top newbs to come out of the games when I was new. But so are Keir and Hapa). 3) Oats isn't a town read, he is an 'excited to play mafia' read. He reminds me a lot of my first game where I posted all of the posts even though I was mafia and being quiet would have been smarter. 4) you called Djo a weak town read for you and said you couldn't see this team changing. Sorry bud, not a chance you'll get my vote. I like you as a person but this election ain't for you. Just to be clear, my choices weren't specifically made because I just have to win an election. I'm honestly not that upset if I don't win, as long as what I feel to be a strong town team party is established as an outcome of the discussion. To that end, I didn't put winning chances into consideration when determining my party... You are right that being quiet in this particular setup is terrible for mafia. But at the same time I had trouble supporting a party full of inactives and semilurkers, as there's no way to definitively determine that they are town either. I chose to eliminate anyone I deemed difficult to definitively read. That included: trolls (Kush and friends), hardcore lurkers (such as Adam), semi-lurkers (such as yourself, at the time I made my picks), and hard-to-read vets (such as Marv). That narrowed the field of who I could choose substantially. I do very much appreciate the concerns you have voiced over my picks. I would say it was largely via a process of elimination. But I would ask that if you are so adamently opposed to them that you explain to me how the alternatives you support are better suited. Kitaman has done nothing to establish he's town. He's said he wants to be leader, and that's honestly about it. I suppose he's made a few jabs at really safe targets too (such as kush...). Deino is largely an unknown. Acro is someone whose meta and story I can't presently follow. He's clearly angry, but as a townie or scum I can't decide at present. You seem to be an avid supporter of him, so I would be interested to know what quality he possesses that has you so confident he is town. As for Prox: I was thinking you would make a good candidate, but your activity waned. Not only that, but since proposing some solid setup ideas, you have fervently supported Acro for reasons unbeknownst to me... And have been opposed to Sandroba, again for reasons unbeknownst to me... I would really appreciate clarification in both departments. I definitely took a hardline, rigid stance on my choices, but that doesn't mean I won't change them if you propose a strong alternative. As it is, however, you have yet to do so. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
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