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On December 02 2012 23:50 syllogism wrote:
Your PM allegedly doesn't even say what your era is and presumably also nothing about you getting more abilities in that era. Your answers are highly unsatisfactory, but I guess we will see. Pretty convenient that Dieno ended up dying and mafia didn't even feel like shooting at anyone on the party.
First, yeah, I would appreciate if we could see what happen tomorrow first.
And second, I'd like to remind you that the saves have been confirmed by the hosts and not counter-claimed by anyone. Also, I have announced my saves before they happened. So, even if I'm mafia, I have this ability, and I chose to use it twice on Dieno and our team wasted 475 KP on him just to get me in a party.
Also, my ability doesn't make sense for a mafia player.
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Yeah acro I was wondering about that.
Really not good for scum though, they need a lot of active people to get in the game
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Looks like it would have to be a pretty big conspiracy for djo to be scum im not buying it.
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Also I have been trying to get on team does that make me scum sylo?
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I agree, it's a stretch. I didn't like how he started speculating about the mission potentially failing and it feels to me mafia is helpless with all these powerful roles present in the game. I think it's more likely than not that djodref is town right now, but if the mission fails I'm not inclined to believe that it was because Dienosore died.
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On December 03 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote:
Also I have been trying to get on team does that make me scum sylo?
You haven't made nonsensical excuses as to why you should be included and haven't played down other potential candidates for reasons that also apply to yourself.
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On December 03 2012 00:34 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote:
Also I have been trying to get on team does that make me scum sylo? You haven't made nonsensical excuses as to why you should be included and haven't played down other potential candidates for reasons that also apply to yourself.
Djo's reasoning makes sense to me. He felt he was a target and being on the party made it more likely he would be protected, you disagree?
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On December 03 2012 00:35 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 00:34 syllogism wrote:On December 03 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote:
Also I have been trying to get on team does that make me scum sylo? You haven't made nonsensical excuses as to why you should be included and haven't played down other potential candidates for reasons that also apply to yourself. Djo's reasoning makes sense to me. He felt he was a target and being on the party made it more likely he would be protected, you disagree?
But he is the one who made himself a target by claiming when there was no reason to claim, admittedly he isn't the only one guilty of this. It also doesn't seem likely to me that a cat has a lot of HP, but perhaps he just didn't think his claim through at all. The thing is, imagine some lower profile player having his role and never claiming. He would make one player invulnerable for the duration of the whole game and mafia wouldn't be able to do anything about it, unless they have some sort of day actions, but that likely outs their player and they can't even know if the protected person is vulnerable to day actions.
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On December 02 2012 18:34 syllogism wrote:
No, risk recruited dieno last cycle and he isn't playing anymore. Presumably he will recruit someone new this cycle. No point discussing things in the QT instead of the thread and there isn't anything to discuss anyway.
Hapa and S&B can you two full claim? S&B feels more like a third party to me, but there seem to be so many of those already.
If I have to, and it seems like I have to. Honestly, I think my ability is at least partially in the game as a trap for town - we're supposed to all be like "woah we have a pro-town claim-based power let's have vulnerable townies roleclaim," and I think that would make us vulnerable to scum. So I don't like the idea of a mass roleclaim, or at least not of a mass role-name-claim.
I am [blue]Nu[/bold].
My main ability is Secrets of the Nu, which is the 250 damage/+300 max hp ability. When I use it I have to target a player and PM greymist their rolename, if im right the ability works, if im not then it fails and i can't use it again the next night.
My other ability is Headbutt, which works like I mentioned above (99% chance 1 damage, 1% chance bring target to 1 life).
All life begins and ends with me, according to my role pm.
My night actions each night:
- N1: Secrets of the Nu on Frog (dienosore). Success.
- N2: I think this was while I was in the UK, didn't send in an action.
- N3: Headbutt on Drazerk because I still hate him, I'm just trying not to let my hatred fuck over the whole town like it did in aperture mafia 2
- N4: Secrets of the Nu on Oatsmaster. Success.
- N5: Secrets of the Nu on Promethelax. Success. Syllo, you probably aren't going to like this one because of the you versus prome tunnelfest, but I think he's town, and his ability seems very strong for town if he uses it well so it seems like it makes sense to keep him alive.
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On December 02 2012 21:35 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, I don't see the mafia in Djodref. I will go through his filter again, but I got town last time I checked.
I also did some filter diving on SnB. Anybody who says they have a town read based on meta... I don't see it. If I were to compare this to SSM then sure, however I looked over WLIIA and SnB's scumgame has improved a lot since then. I don't find him coming off "more carefree" now than he did there.
That said, I don't see where he is pushing a scu agenda this game. He didn't push Sandro's vote D1. He did like a lynch on Sandro early and he has never wanted to be in a party insofar as I can tell. If he is scum, he has played very carefully. However, SnB's most convincing case in WLIIA is on Mementoss, his scumbuddy. So that is not particularly conclusive either.
That leaves just the ability. I really want to know what SnB did on the missing nights: N2 and N5.
Dieno's flip also indicates that his math is correct. If we subtract 250 damage from N1 and add a 50 HP heal instead, we are left with 145+475 < 750, so he shouldn't have died N4 and need the "mysterious player" to save him from death.
i have no good explanation for this, only speculation. however given that my ability is basically a stealth heal, it seems very likely that mafia has similar stealth damage abilities that either work by reducing max hp, canceling healing, or some other mechanism i haven't thought of yet. a poisoner ability is also possible, where someone would die after a delay but wouldn't take damage, so dieno could have been protected from death without being at 1hp. it does seem weird that mafia would use this on frog but maybe they were more concerned with taking him out before he could fix masamune than they were with killing good "traditional mafia" players like syllogism.
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Did it ever occur to you to use it on Drazerk? Did it ever occur to you to use your role as a role check? I kind of want to believe you because I don't understand why mafia chose to shoot frog on d1 and then ignored him for 2 days for no apparent reason. It seems likely to me that they shot marvel+dienosore d1, but didn't have enough KP to inflict 665 damage on those two and that they believed some third party also targeted dienosore.
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On December 03 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
Did it ever occur to you to use it on Drazerk? Did it ever occur to you to use your role as a role check? I kind of want to believe you because I don't understand why mafia chose to shoot frog on d1 and then ignored him for 2 days for no apparent reason. It seems likely to me that they shot marvel+dienosore d1, but didn't have enough KP to inflict 665 damage on those two and that they believed some third party also targeted dienosore.
i really didn't think of using it as an investigative role, because i wasn't sure what it would gain us to know whether someone was lying about their role name or not. drazerk claimed his role name was "chef" or that he was "a chef" or something like that at first - if i tried to use my ability on him with that, it would fail even if his real role name was "master of the kitchens". plus, i didn't think role name would match up with alignment. promethelax claimed 'zeal plant woman' pretty early on, which i thought was some kind of humanoid plant monster (although it apparently refers to a specific character, i looked it up), and 'nu' (my rolename) are apparently present in the game both as enemies and as friendly third party characters at different time periods. so I thought that by far the best use of my role was to target the "most townie person who roleclaimed" and use my ability to heal them the little bit of hp and (way more importantly, imo) raise the ceiling for how much they could benefit from being healed by other town players.
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On December 03 2012 00:48 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 21:35 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, I don't see the mafia in Djodref. I will go through his filter again, but I got town last time I checked.
I also did some filter diving on SnB. Anybody who says they have a town read based on meta... I don't see it. If I were to compare this to SSM then sure, however I looked over WLIIA and SnB's scumgame has improved a lot since then. I don't find him coming off "more carefree" now than he did there.
That said, I don't see where he is pushing a scu agenda this game. He didn't push Sandro's vote D1. He did like a lynch on Sandro early and he has never wanted to be in a party insofar as I can tell. If he is scum, he has played very carefully. However, SnB's most convincing case in WLIIA is on Mementoss, his scumbuddy. So that is not particularly conclusive either.
That leaves just the ability. I really want to know what SnB did on the missing nights: N2 and N5.
Dieno's flip also indicates that his math is correct. If we subtract 250 damage from N1 and add a 50 HP heal instead, we are left with 145+475 < 750, so he shouldn't have died N4 and need the "mysterious player" to save him from death. i have no good explanation for this, only speculation. however given that my ability is basically a stealth heal, it seems very likely that mafia has similar stealth damage abilities that either work by reducing max hp, canceling healing, or some other mechanism i haven't thought of yet. a poisoner ability is also possible, where someone would die after a delay but wouldn't take damage, so dieno could have been protected from death without being at 1hp. it does seem weird that mafia would use this on frog but maybe they were more concerned with taking him out before he could fix masamune than they were with killing good "traditional mafia" players like syllogism.
Nights 2 and 5... NOW.
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On December 03 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
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It seems likely to me that they shot marvel+dienosore d1, but didn't have enough KP to inflict 665 damage on those two and that they believed some third party also targeted dienosore.
that's actually really interesting, i never thought that my ability could be used to confuse mafia about where third party damage is going - maybe they thought i was some kind of anti-town serial killer, or that i was magus and was trying to kill of frog before he got masamune, so they could leave him to me and not keep focus firing him
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Just saying, I didnt get a heal the whole game 
also syllo, you should totes claim so you can get the benefit of the 250 visible damage and the 300 invisible raise on your hp
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On December 03 2012 00:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 00:48 strongandbig wrote:On December 02 2012 21:35 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, I don't see the mafia in Djodref. I will go through his filter again, but I got town last time I checked.
I also did some filter diving on SnB. Anybody who says they have a town read based on meta... I don't see it. If I were to compare this to SSM then sure, however I looked over WLIIA and SnB's scumgame has improved a lot since then. I don't find him coming off "more carefree" now than he did there.
That said, I don't see where he is pushing a scu agenda this game. He didn't push Sandro's vote D1. He did like a lynch on Sandro early and he has never wanted to be in a party insofar as I can tell. If he is scum, he has played very carefully. However, SnB's most convincing case in WLIIA is on Mementoss, his scumbuddy. So that is not particularly conclusive either.
That leaves just the ability. I really want to know what SnB did on the missing nights: N2 and N5.
Dieno's flip also indicates that his math is correct. If we subtract 250 damage from N1 and add a 50 HP heal instead, we are left with 145+475 < 750, so he shouldn't have died N4 and need the "mysterious player" to save him from death. i have no good explanation for this, only speculation. however given that my ability is basically a stealth heal, it seems very likely that mafia has similar stealth damage abilities that either work by reducing max hp, canceling healing, or some other mechanism i haven't thought of yet. a poisoner ability is also possible, where someone would die after a delay but wouldn't take damage, so dieno could have been protected from death without being at 1hp. it does seem weird that mafia would use this on frog but maybe they were more concerned with taking him out before he could fix masamune than they were with killing good "traditional mafia" players like syllogism. Nights 2 and 5... NOW.
post above the one you quoted
i already claimed not sending in an action night two, anyway.
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Oh I forgot about the theory of dienosore reflecting some action on d2, perhaps you targeted him again on n2 but it didn't work and that's why you couldn't use it on day 3. That would also explain why you targeted Oats on n3 rather than frog again. Then you got hit by Oats 100 damage and deemed it safer to target prom.
This doesn't make you mafia, but I'm just attempting to come up reasons as to why mafia chose their targets as they did.
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On December 03 2012 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Just saying, I didnt get a heal the whole game also syllo, you should totes claim so you can get the benefit of the 250 visible damage and the 300 invisible raise on your hp
i disagree, we have no idea what mafia can do with a name claim but i bet they can do something
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Also, what made you think that "raising a player's max hp" raised their CURRENT HP? You could raise my max HP out the wazzoo, but unless I also get a heal for a wazzoo amount, it is pointless. Why would your ability be stated in such a weird manner if what it ended up doing was to raise max HP by 300 and current HP by 50?
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On December 03 2012 01:00 syllogism wrote:
Oh I forgot about the theory of dienosore reflecting some action on d2, perhaps you targeted him again on n2 but it didn't work and that's why you couldn't use it on day 3. That would also explain why you targeted Oats on n3 rather than frog again. Then you got hit by Oats 100 damage and deemed it safer to target prom.
This doesn't make you mafia, but I'm just attempting to come up reasons as to why mafia chose their targets as they did.
once i use the ability on a player successfully i can't target that player again
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