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On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield.
Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3?
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On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3?
the second night after planting. Trying to translate from flavour to real time. I sent GreY a pm and I'll share whatever I learn from it when I learn it.
Acro/syllo: why did scum target me?
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Also Djodref, were you not afraid of roleblocks at all? Were you that convinced that mafia has no roleblocker left?
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On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote:Ok, let's get this straight. I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @ClaritySo who is the most frail between us ? When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected?
@Acro
I decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle.
And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give...
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On December 02 2012 22:05 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3? the second night after planting. Trying to translate from flavour to real time. I sent GreY a pm and I'll share whatever I learn from it when I learn it. Acro/syllo: why did scum target me?
I'm not calling you scum. In fact, I am trying to give you a chance to point out the various ways in which Clarity could take damage without the shield ability being a lie.
However, why do you think scum targeted you? The numbers don't add up if we add the initial reports from you and Syllo together. That makes me think the hosts mixed up a number of actions, or the resolution order or something. It definitely doesn't prove you were targeted by damage. And it proves even less that that damage came from a scum source.
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I don't understand why you keep saying they targeted you, Prom. Are you saying your damage sharing only works one way and it is not, in fact, a protective ability?
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On December 02 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote:
That isn't a very rational explanation, as mafia is only interested in shooting at people who are confirmed town or been on the party. Why claim your ability at all? As long as mafia isn't interested in you, Dieno can not die.
Why do you think the amount of damage you took is important? Early on you were suspecting someone of lying about it, although in retrospect mafia isn't particularly afraid of taking some damage so they could have even targeted one of their own on purpose.
@syllo
I claimed that I was protecting Dieno because I didn't want other healers or protectives roles to waste their powers on Dieno. But yeah, maybe it was a bad move. I didn't think that the damage I took was important, I thought that the mafia was going to start to aim at me when they would realize that "Dieno is protected from death by a misterious player" every night.
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On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3?
No, that was bullshit I made up. It was directly activated, Dieno was protected from death from the second cycle. I wanted mafia to roleblocked me and attack Dieno or attack him one night over two.
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On December 02 2012 22:16 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand why you keep saying they targeted you, Prom. Are you saying your damage sharing only works one way and it is not, in fact, a protective ability?
no, I'm basing my assumption off of the host pms. I guess Acro is right though, there is no proof for that. I just got cought up in the idea that scum wanted me dead and was trying to figure out why that would be.
Acro: I didn't read that as an accusation. I'm trying to figure out why this happened this way too.
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On December 02 2012 22:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3? No, that was bullshit I made up. It was directly activated, Dieno was protected from death from the second cycle. I wanted mafia to roleblocked me and attack Dieno or attack him one night over two.
Do you read the thread?
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On December 02 2012 22:05 syllogism wrote:
Also Djodref, were you not afraid of roleblocks at all? Were you that convinced that mafia has no roleblocker left?
No, my ability was not influenced by roleblocks, at the exception of the day I cast it. After that, Dieno was going to live through all the nights I was alive myself...
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On December 02 2012 22:19 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 22:18 Djodref wrote:On December 02 2012 22:02 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote:On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote:
I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3? No, that was bullshit I made up. It was directly activated, Dieno was protected from death from the second cycle. I wanted mafia to roleblocked me and attack Dieno or attack him one night over two. Do you read the thread?
Sorry, I don't read the thread when I answer questions and I thought that this one was addressed to me...
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On December 02 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote:Ok, let's get this straight. I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @ClaritySo who is the most frail between us ? When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected? @AcroI decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle. And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give...
Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him.
That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth.
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It seems strange to me to use that powerful ability on Dienosore, even with the frog claim. It also seems dubious that your role isn't affected by roleblocks. I do not believe that you have actually asked the host whether it is. I guess we will know more after today.
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On December 02 2012 22:22 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote:Ok, let's get this straight. I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @ClaritySo who is the most frail between us ? When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected? @AcroI decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle. And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give... Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him. That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth.
Not necessraly, because Dieno could have used his ability "Slurp" and redirected the target to someone else. Dieno did not take any damage D2 but maybe because he managed to redirect the only harmfull action directed against him. I could see Dieno using Slurp on Toad at the end of the cycle 2 for example.
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On December 02 2012 22:26 syllogism wrote:
It seems strange to me to use that powerful ability on Dienosore, even with the frog claim. It also seems dubious that your role isn't affected by roleblocks. I do not believe that you have actually asked the host whether it is. I guess we will know more after today.
Of course, I have asked weither or not it was affected by roleblocks after the activation of the ability !
Dieno was my strongest town read at the end of D2 and I chose him because he was Frog and had to repair his Masamune. I've guessed it would happen if he was going to be alive long enough.
Also I suspected that other players were going to protect marv or you, and I was not as confident in my read on you that I was on my read on Dieno at that time.
But, yeah, I wouldn't say that I've played my role at his best...
At least mafia wasted KP on Dieno twice ^^
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Djodref: What is your time period?
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On December 02 2012 22:26 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 22:22 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:On December 02 2012 21:59 Acrofales wrote:On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote:Ok, let's get this straight. I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @ClaritySo who is the most frail between us ? When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected? @AcroI decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle. And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give... Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him. That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth. Not necessraly, because Dieno could have used his ability "Slurp" and redirected the target to someone else. Dieno did not take any damage D2 but maybe because he managed to redirect the only harmfull action directed against him. I could see Dieno using Slurp on Toad at the end of the cycle 2 for example.
No. You're either lying about the way your ability works, or not thinking straight.
If you targeted Dieno and your protection is the ability that got randomly moved, then the rest of the game you would be protecting someone other than Dieno.
On D4 and D5 the daypost said someone protected Dieno. Either that someone isn't you (seems unlikely) or your ability hit Dieno and stuck there.
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I think he means the apparent missing damage was redirected onto toad.
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On December 02 2012 22:43 syllogism wrote:
Djodref: What is your time period?
It is not precised in the PM I got from my role. I didn't know Chrono Trigger before joining this game so I did some reasearch about the cat of Prince Janus. Because my PM says only "You ara Janus's Cat!"
So I found on the wiki that you meet Alfador during the Antiquity when you see Janus for the first time. I've started to play the game this week end also by the way ^^
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