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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:19 Clarity_nl wrote: I think the most logical answer is that the damage shown includes the 100 damage done to the shield. So if I'm 400 hp (pulled out of my ass) and have a 200 hp shield, and take 125 damage, I get the notification that I took 125 damage. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:24 syllogism wrote: Djodref was. For mafia, being "confirmed" as a townie in this format is worth sacrificing some KP for. Someone (presumably the scum), hammered Dieno for 445 damage on N4. You think they both protected him and dumped what i presume is a majority of their nightly KP into him? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
I also did some filter diving on SnB. Anybody who says they have a town read based on meta... I don't see it. If I were to compare this to SSM then sure, however I looked over WLIIA and SnB's scumgame has improved a lot since then. I don't find him coming off "more carefree" now than he did there. That said, I don't see where he is pushing a scu agenda this game. He didn't push Sandro's vote D1. He did like a lynch on Sandro early and he has never wanted to be in a party insofar as I can tell. If he is scum, he has played very carefully. However, SnB's most convincing case in WLIIA is on Mementoss, his scumbuddy. So that is not particularly conclusive either. That leaves just the ability. I really want to know what SnB did on the missing nights: N2 and N5. Dieno's flip also indicates that his math is correct. If we subtract 250 damage from N1 and add a 50 HP heal instead, we are left with 145+475 < 750, so he shouldn't have died N4 and need the "mysterious player" to save him from death. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:30 Adam4167 wrote: Someone (presumably the scum), hammered Dieno for 445 damage on N4. You think they both protected him and dumped what i presume is a majority of their nightly KP into him? I don't know if that's all from mafia, but yes that kind of play makes sense in this format if Djodref is mafia. I have to read the post where Djodref claims the save as claiming makes no sense if you can just stay hidden and protect the player for all eternity. I think at the time of the claim we already had enough "confirmed" townies to form a team. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote: I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:35 syllogism wrote: I don't know if that's all from mafia, but yes that kind of play makes sense in this format if Djodref is mafia. I have to read the post where Djodref claims the save as claiming makes no sense if you can just stay hidden and protect the player for all eternity. I think at the time of the claim we already had enough "confirmed" townies to form a team. What? You think it makes sense for scum to 1. Blow all their KP on someone they know is unkillable 2. Blow an incredibly strong protection power on town Just to get Djodref into a party? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:41 Acrofales wrote: What? You think it makes sense for scum to 1. Blow all their KP on someone they know is unkillable 2. Blow an incredibly strong protection power on town Just to get Djodref into a party? I don't really understand how mafia is supposed to win this game. They don't seem to have enough KP to kill townies faster than we even confirm them. It seems to me they have to do everything they can to be included in the party. Again, I'm trying to make the game make sense in case the mission today fails. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I want to re-iterate this since you guys didn't seem to understand it: So if I'm 400 hp (pulled out of my ass) and have a 200 hp shield, and take 125 damage, I get the notification that I took 125 damage. What makes you think this? This seems to me like the least logical way of doing it. If you have a 200 hp shield and don't know about it (which you wouldn't in the normal situation where Prom didn't claim), you take 200 damage, you get a report of 0 damage. That seems far more logical. If you take 220 damage, you get a report of receiving 20 damage. Yes, that means damage goes missing in the night reports. However, otherwise you cannot keep even a halfway decent estimate of what your HP is at. Additionally, heals have already been confirmed to work that way. You take 150 damage and a 100 HP heal, you get told you were hit for 50 damage and that you were healed. Why would the shield work any differently? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:43 syllogism wrote: I don't really understand how mafia is supposed to win this game. They don't seem to have enough KP to kill townies faster than we even confirm them. It seems to me they have to do everything they can to be included in the party. Again, I'm trying to make the game make sense in case the mission today fails. I think the success of today's mission will also hinge on the options that we're picking. I think mafia are supposed to be stalling until Lavos arrives, because the odds of them reducing our numbers down to less than 3, or there abouts (assuming there was 5 to start with), is frankly nil. It would have taken like 15+ cycles with the damage we have seen so far. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
I think the options we are picking only affect the amount of damage the town aligned members on the party take. | ||
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CaveJohnson
278 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @Clarity So who is the most frail between us ? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
At least that's my take on how this game is supposed to play out. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:38 Acrofales wrote: This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
Toad needed 11 charges. Even with all events failing, we have so far had 3 events and this is the 4th. Tonight will be N6. So he would've had 10 charges after tonight with all events so far failing and never getting roleblocked. That is STILL not enough to summon Lavos prematurely. It also mentions that he can only do that after we get Epoch, which we do NOT have yet... and given the way the game works, it seems like that will take at least 1 more event to get there (you don't get Epoch after Magus, you go to the prehistory after Magus, then to antiquity and finally to the future where you get Epoch). And Toad could summon Lavos prematurely, meaning there will be a few MORE cycles between getting Epoch and fighting Lavos. Scum had this information and could calculate it from the very start of the game (well, they didn't know how many cycles would have events, but they knew they'd have to wait at least 6 cycles). After running for party leader failed, they might have settled down to play the long game. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:52 CaveJohnson wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if that was how long the game was going to last Adam. I knew it was going to be a long game the moment the HP mechanic was mentioned scheduled to end dec 3-15. no time for fifteen cycles. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote: Ok, let's get this straight. I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @Clarity So who is the most frail between us ? When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Why do you think the amount of damage you took is important? Early on you were suspecting someone of lying about it, although in retrospect mafia isn't particularly afraid of taking some damage so they could have even targeted one of their own on purpose. | ||
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CaveJohnson
278 Posts
On December 02 2012 21:58 Promethelax wrote: scheduled to end dec 3-15. no time for fifteen cycles. That doesn't say 2012  | ||
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