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I think there are probably all kinds of nasty abilities that are capable of fucking us over if we try to direct night actions. Prom's ability for one, even if he looks townie to me atm.
Also, I'm caught up on the thread. You will notice that I did not answer certain questions. That is deliberate. I gave the information I felt was necessary to succeed in this party. I also gave the information to ensure Toad shut the fuck up (mission accomplished) and is lynched as the scummy scum he is the very next chance we get. Any more information will have to wait until I think it will help us.
If that means Marv, Keirathi and Prom are going to yammer at me for the next 72 hours or so, then tough titties.
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Oh, 72 was a guestimate based on assumptions that we will get a lynch next cycle, or manage to kill toad in some other way.
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On November 26 2012 20:56 syllogism wrote:If I had to name a five person mafia team on the spot without reading any of the filters. I would probably go with sandro toad acro prom and maaaybe riskThe above risk-prom conversation feels off, as does the fact that risk decided to run today for election. He also supported sandro early and the post in which he declared his vote is suspicious in more ways than one. Anyway, this isn't relevant right now.
Nice list you got there. Want to explain my presence there?
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Sniped. Okay, so how does my DT claim make me scum if Toad is scum?
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Also, I am not faking damage. You're just having a giant case of the confirmation bias to fit everything in there.
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Agree with Prom. I can understand having a null read on VE and Adam. But how you manage to have a town read on Hopeless is beyond me.
Anyway, I have some particularly weird reasoning about Hopeless that I don't want to share until Toad actually flips, because if my wild speculation about Toad's role is wrong, then it means nothing, but if I am right, I really feel his vote for Toad today was him claiming scum.
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On November 26 2012 21:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
You are both reacting rather violently despite him saying "without reading filters, if I had to pick"
One of the most influential players in the game decides to include you in a random list of scum reads with no reasoning at all and we're supposed to lie down and say "yeah, that's right?". I'm not too worried about him calling me scum because I know I'm not and whatever reasons he give are going to be bullshit, but I am a bit upset for just being thrown up on that list, yeah.
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Hmmm, there was no 7 at 20:00.
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If it comes at 22:00 then the time for the timer is growing with 2-hour increments.
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Hmmm, Prom, humour me here. How convinced you are that Syllo is town?
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Same, but I didn't say this:
+ Show Spoiler [Prom's action claim] +On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote:
Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth This is a really important post. In any game I would host or any game that I can recall playing, a player who is roleblocked does not return any results to tracking abilities. As sandroba insists he targeted syllo, but was roleblocked, either one of these two players is lying or prom really needs to clarify his role. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 03:54 marvellosity wrote:
Although, kita, I will agree with you on this - Prome's absence is completely disgraceful given his earlier revelation and the fact that sandroba is the main wagon. That's pretty much completely unacceptable, whatever real life excuses he'll give us. okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. My bread crumb should be obvious to anyone looking but here it is: Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:40 Promethelax wrote:
Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'
I agree with you that we should not be voting Sand based on his unopposed candidacy and I didn't want to vote Syllo since he seemed intent on bringing Sand with him on the mission. I still prefer Syllo over Sand and will vote him if things get tight, as it is though I am more comfortable with Kita than either of them, his town reads are still strong to me even though he is not as townine in my mind as any of the three he chose to take with him.
In my catching up I saw Kita post something asking why I was voting him if I didn't think he was the best leader. I thought I had made this clear, he was the best leader with a chance of success. If that wasn't clear my apologies, my intention was to communicate that Kita was the least of the evils which were available to me.
I am sending in my night action(s) now. I will be in the thread for another hour.
Syllo: I believe that it is now time for you to announce the members of your team and the reasons for their inclusion. You probably will win this election and I would like to hear your reasons for their inclusion in your team, you may not be able to give us those reads next day since you may be killed by scum/3party. I don't want to block up the thread with a lot of fluf but I think that your reasons would be a worthwhile inclusion that might protect townies from other townies at a later date. this is why I said that I was sending in my night actions there, to be clear that this is where I specified them. I'm saying that I am using my power to protect Syllo and that it will [role]block people who target him. It isn't a brilliant crumb but I think the awkward wording speaks for itself, this is a crumb. I have other powers but this is the one you need to know about. If I place this on a plyer and they are not targeted for a certain number of cycles than it will provide a certain amount of protection against damage from any in game source. That being said I would like to return to game things: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 02:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can someone other than marv confirm that Drazerk would be a coinflip at the point? I have not played with him but the games I have read of his would suggest that this is totally true. Marv is right here. Hapa: you ignored everything I said in response. I think you know better that my actions follow the way I think about the game which, as should be obvious, is not always the dominant way of thinking. Since you haven't responded to me I don't have more to add except that you are a top scum read for me now. I've never seen you, as town, push that someone is scum but also refuse to engage with them. You are more hands on. I expect this disengaged sort of attack from Zbo but not from you. hah, gotcha Sand. In post game I'm going to revel in getting that one right. Just in case anyone wasn't sure.
Summary: Prom targets a person at night. Anybody visiting that person gets roleblocked.
Now, I looked at this and compared it to my own abilities and to Kush's ability and figured that this was a riduculously powerful town ability if it didn't have a downside, so I asked Prom about that:
On November 25 2012 21:16 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 21:10 Acrofales wrote:
Prom, are there any downsides to your abilty? Or some othe aspect of your role? essentially the downsides are only if my reads are bad. There are some restrictions on when I can use my claimed ability. There are other aspects of my role which are, in my opinion, less powerful than the claimed aspect. but can be used when the claimed aspect cannot be used.
I read this and figured it jibed at the time. But as I was answering Prom's question about why I asked him about the downsides, I realized that it actually makes the ability even stronger: it is a protection ability that combines with a 1-shot watcher (no way scum is going to claim roleblocked from now on) AND a DT check?
So I tested. Isn't this you claiming that if your ability works, you used it on a townie? You used it on Syllo, so how can you be doubtful about him after targeting him with your ability?
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On November 26 2012 21:52 Mementoss wrote: 7
What?
This is posted at exactly the right time? Or are you 9 minutes early?
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On November 26 2012 21:53 Promethelax wrote:
because, though I had a town read on him at the time, the ability used on him by scum was a fram bus. Now I thought that was to try to frame him to come up red but it could be to frame him to come up green. Essentially one of the two guys targeted by that frame bus was scum and one was town.
That's not what I asked. You claim the downside to your ability is something to do with you having bad reads. That generally means town who use the ability on a scumster, either the ability fails. You seem quite convinced your ability didn't fail, and both Sandroba and Marv claim to have targeted Syllo, so there is some corroborating evidence that your ability succeeded.
Do you think Sandroba's bus drive ability (assuming he used that and not the DoT) succeeded? Or was he roleblocked before it could happen? You should have that information somewhere in your role pm, or can probably ask the hosts in what order your actions resolve. At least you should be able to know whether Sandroba would be notified of being roleblocked if he had no actions left that day.
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On November 26 2012 21:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 14:08 Acrofales wrote:On November 26 2012 14:03 Promethelax wrote:On November 25 2012 09:30 GreYMisT wrote: Cycle 3
Event: Race across site 32
2300 AD
WILL INSERT FLAVOR LATER Sandroba (Spekkio) was lynched!+ Show Spoiler [role PM] +Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are Spekkio!. You are the Master of War! You have control over all elements of magic. Your abilities are the following: Water
Allows the use of 2 powers the next night. (does not accumulate)
Lightning
Full cycle roleblock on your target.
Shadow
Frame busses target with another target of your choice.
Fire
Burns target. Target takes 200 damage in 50 damage increments over 4 days.
Only allowed 1 fire active at a time.
You have 600 max HP.
You will be voting on another party leader!
Only 1/2 of the party from cycle 1 may be in the party for this cycle, and syllogism, as the leader from the last event, is ineligible for the same position!!!! here Acro. Maybe you didn't read this. I read that shit. I fail to see your point. You have some knowledge about what a frame busser does that is before Marv's explanation, because I sure as fuck don't. Marv claims it only busses roles, not damage. Where does he get that info? I'm sure you could work this out yourself, but I asked Greymist :>
Greymist didn't answer in the thread. I presumed that meant he didn't want to answer what Sandroba's ability does. Lets try again:
What does Sandroba's "shadow" ability do?
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EBWOP my response to Promethelax: either the ability fails, or there is some other downside (like it breaks, or you take damage/die). The ability can fail silently so the townie using it never knows that the ability failed, but in this case there is corroborating evidence.
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On November 26 2012 22:09 Promethelax wrote:
oh, no, you misunderstand. I get it now.
What I meant is that assuming I target a player whom mafia is targeting and who is town my ability is great but if, for instance I target scum player whom town is targeting with a bunch of abilities (like say I have super major town read on you and I protect you but everyone else in town thinks you are scum and is shooting/DTing/whatever'ing you but you are scum I prot you from all that and RB a bunch of townies).
My ability functions the same no matter who I target. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't even think about the possibility of a dreamflower-esque ability. I've never been in a game with one.
Okay, so your ability has no downsides. That makes it far more powerful than anything I have seen (or seen claimed) so far. I found Kush's ability pretty damned awesome: a PGO + dayvig? Sign me up! But at least it came with conditionals. I am not sure what to think about this claim. However, I am not making sense of it from a scum point of view either. Must've been a pretty stellar guess to know Marv was targeting Syllo. Either that, or scum has some kind of watcher, which doesn't make much sense at all.
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On November 26 2012 22:10 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 26 2012 22:00 Promethelax wrote:
and Acro, scum will have to claim RB because I am not the only player with a RB ability so if they don't laim it and someone else rb'd them that person will know that they are claiming scum. When you were "bluffing" that marv and whoever else (I forget) got roleblocked because they targetted syllo, weren't you working under the assumption that you were the only roleblock ability? I was. But I didn't use that ability d2 and Risk claimed RB. Ergo I am not the only RBer. I mentioned this already.
You say all your other abilities are weaker than the protection. I bloody well hope so. But why would you not use it D2?
I can see some scum motivation for claiming not to use it D2, but it means the whole claim is fake and that brings me back to how you knew Marv was targeting Syllo... and I am also confused what point it serves to plant a claim like that in D2. Some town cred?
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On November 26 2012 22:18 Promethelax wrote:
there is some limit to when I can use that ability and I have at least one other, lesser, ability which I can use on those cycles when I can't use my primary ability. I have a kickass role that, if I was a better player, could be exploited in more ways than I have figured out.
Oh, ok. Sniped.
So it does have downsides: you cannot use it every cycle.
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On November 26 2012 22:24 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 22:22 Acrofales wrote:On November 26 2012 22:18 Promethelax wrote:
there is some limit to when I can use that ability and I have at least one other, lesser, ability which I can use on those cycles when I can't use my primary ability. I have a kickass role that, if I was a better player, could be exploited in more ways than I have figured out. Oh, ok. Sniped. So it does have downsides: you cannot use it every cycle. sometimes I can and sometimes I can't. Ummm...hard to explain without revealing the intricacies of the role to mafia. I couldn't last cycle. I will this cycle.
Shouldn't have explained further. At least you'll draw a roleblock so our vigis can shoot Toad, Hopeless or lurkers.
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@Marv: I have no clue. I agree that his guessing games seems to be role-related, rather than someone's action, but fucked if I know that that's alignment indicative. 3P does make some sense, given that he is not very interested in scumhunting. I don't know why he wants to be on a party, though (unless it's in his wincon as you say, but the games and the wincon don't seem to go together).
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