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On November 25 2012 18:10 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:08 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:
Most reasonable Party for this Cycle
- Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
- Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
- One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me
Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy". I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned. I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event. For example, what do you think of the following Djodref as party leader Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet. I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads. And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways. No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted. What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ? "Concentrating" them? Syllo has our only 'gift' so far. And we have no idea what it is, or what it does. Also, I'm not necessarily objecting having someone else be party leader other than the two of them. But I am 100% objecting to a party that doesn't contain both of them.
@Keir
lets say that Oats gets the part leader today. Then we have
Oats = confirmed town + important character + gift
I don't want to lose all this if mafia ot Lavos kills him and I dont trust him to use the gift properly...
For the record, I would gladly vote for a party with both Oats and Dieno as members but not as party leaders. Please also consider the fact that we cannot pick them again for the next event.
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On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing.
I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides.
The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets.
But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced.
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On November 25 2012 18:08 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:04 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote:
djo will this mystery player remain a secret? Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^ then you wont have my vote and i dont think you will get anyone else's vote.
Come on, have you forget on which campaign platform syllo has been elected ?
This guy has been elected qhen his plan was to reveal nothing...
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On November 25 2012 18:24 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:08 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:04 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:59 iamperfection wrote:
djo will this mystery player remain a secret? Yes, I'm not going to reveal him at all ^^ then you wont have my vote and i dont think you will get anyone else's vote. Come on, have you forget on which campaign platform syllo has been elected ? This guy has been elected qhen his plan was to reveal nothing...
But you're not syllo  .
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On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced.
I disagree with you almost completely.
The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions.
My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
If your gift repairs my sword, please use it asap
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On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced. I disagree with you almost completely. The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions. My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation.
You disagree very strongly yet you name something that would be better on a vet than a non-vet.....
Can you name something that would be better on a non-vet than a vet?
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On November 25 2012 18:21 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:10 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:08 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:
Most reasonable Party for this Cycle
- Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
- Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
- One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me
Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy". I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned. I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event. For example, what do you think of the following Djodref as party leader Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet. I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads. And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways. No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted. What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ? "Concentrating" them? Syllo has our only 'gift' so far. And we have no idea what it is, or what it does. Also, I'm not necessarily objecting having someone else be party leader other than the two of them. But I am 100% objecting to a party that doesn't contain both of them. @Keirlets say that Oats gets the part leader today. Then we have Oats = confirmed town + important character + gift I don't want to lose all this if mafia ot Lavos kills him and I dont trust him to use the gift properly... For the record, I would gladly vote for a party with both Oats and Dieno as members but not as party leaders. Please also consider the fact that we cannot pick them again for the next event.
The 'fact'? The stipulation today was that we could only use half of the members from the last party. Now, I will grant you that it's a possibility that there will be some new stipulation next event day, but again you're making the statement that its a fact, when it most certainly isn't.
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On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced. I disagree with you almost completely. The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions. My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation.
Ok, let's just consider things like and assume that the party leader is going to receive a gift
Oats is a town asset right now
The gift is going to be a town asset as well
If Oats has the gift, it takes less thinking for the mafia for the decision to take to get rid of these assests
If someone else has the gift, the mafia has to distribute the KP which makes the possibility for town to save both their assets.
What do you think ?
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On November 25 2012 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced. I disagree with you almost completely. The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions. My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation. You disagree very strongly yet you name something that would be better on a vet than a non-vet..... Can you name something that would be better on a non-vet than a vet?
Yes, I said I mostly disagreed and then listed the ONLY possibility that would make more sense on a vet than a non-vet.
And yes, I can imagine gifts that are stronger for some roles than others. Perhaps something that would be more useful, on say, Frog than it would be on Joe Blow vet, in which case the gift would be better on a non-vet than a vet. Again, we have NO FUCKING CLUE what the gifts even do. THIS DISCUSSION IS POINTLESS.
And AGAIN, I'm not against voting for someone other than Dieno/Oats as party leader. I am against a party that doesn't include both of them. Them being leader is just the most logical because their townieness isn't in question, while the other two people in the party are still wild cards.
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I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect.
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On November 25 2012 18:30 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:21 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:10 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:08 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:34 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:
Most reasonable Party for this Cycle
- Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
- Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
- One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me
Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy". I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned. I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event. For example, what do you think of the following Djodref as party leader Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet. I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads. And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways. No offense taken. Also I respect your position. I'm favorable for a higher risk/higher reward play and I think that my idea deserves at least to be promoted. What do you think about avoiding to concentrate our assets on the newbies ? "Concentrating" them? Syllo has our only 'gift' so far. And we have no idea what it is, or what it does. Also, I'm not necessarily objecting having someone else be party leader other than the two of them. But I am 100% objecting to a party that doesn't contain both of them. @Keirlets say that Oats gets the part leader today. Then we have Oats = confirmed town + important character + gift I don't want to lose all this if mafia ot Lavos kills him and I dont trust him to use the gift properly... For the record, I would gladly vote for a party with both Oats and Dieno as members but not as party leaders. Please also consider the fact that we cannot pick them again for the next event. The 'fact'? The stipulation today was that we could only use half of the members from the last party. Now, I will grant you that it's a possibility that there will be some new stipulation next event day, but again you're making the statement that its a fact, when it most certainly isn't.
My bad, I was mistaken. I thought that the party leader was totally unable to participate to the next event, even as a single member.
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On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect.
This.
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On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect.
Yeah, okay, I didn't think it from the medic point of view. Good point...
Would you rather vote Oats or Dieno for a party leader then ^
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Yes I have full hp at the moment :D
Djo, First thing I find wrong with your post.
You think that you are a vet. Do you seriously think that you can use the 'item' better than me or dien? Do we completely lack logic?
Second thing I find wrong, what is this concentration of power you speak of? Only syllo has an 'item' that he mentioned very briefly. We are still 'confirming' 2 more town people that could lead the party in the next event.
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On November 25 2012 18:42 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect. Yeah, okay, I didn't think it from the medic point of view. Good point... Would you rather vote Oats or Dieno for a party leader then ^
I think both would be decent choices, as I said though if a vet convinces me he is town and is willing to lead I would pick him.
Currently my vote is on Dieno but I might change is just because Oats just claimed he's full hp, and Dieno not so much.
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On November 25 2012 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes I have full hp at the moment :D
Djo, First thing I find wrong with your post.
You think that you are a vet. Do you seriously think that you can use the 'item' better than me or dien? Do we completely lack logic?
Second thing I find wrong, what is this concentration of power you speak of? Only syllo has an 'item' that he mentioned very briefly. We are still 'confirming' 2 more town people that could lead the party in the next event.
I'm not a vet but I believe I could use an item better than you  No harm feelings but if you require to have some good reads to use the item, I would rather have a vet or ma having it than you...
It's not the concentration of power but the concentration of assets. But Clarity and Keir just made me realize that it was going to make the life easier for the protective roles so my point was not so good ^^
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EBWOP: and for the two towns that you may "confirm" I would have preferred if it could be three but I'm going to respect the majority decision on this one. My candidature is still up here for people who think like me ^^
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I don't even know the source of the item. It may have been a reward or it may have been given to me by another player. I can make an educated guess, that's about it. Either way, it's not something we should base our party decisions on.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
When did you get it, and how were you notified that you got it?
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