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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 07:52 GMT
#2901
Even with a framer, Oats result might not have changed to being false, it would depend on the phrasing in his PM.
Oats can you tell us if your PM says something along the lines of "Check if two players have the same alignment" or "Checks two players, and you will be told if they show the same alignment"

I'm thinking maybe a framer-like ability will not affect Oat's result.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 07:53 GMT
#2902
The fact that syllo took no damage is surprising, but perhaps scum knew he couldn't be elected today... hmm
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 07:55 GMT
#2903
Also Djo: answer my question.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 25 2012 07:55 GMT
#2904
On November 25 2012 16:50 Djodref wrote:
EBWOB: by the way, you didn't deny the protection part, Dieno, so I'm going to assume that you were indeed healed or protected or some stuff


The fact im still here should have revealed at least that much to you ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 07:57 GMT
#2905
@Dieno

Honestly, I have a null read on phagga because his participation is not very high and I don't remember him taking a strong stance against anyone or pushing anything original like TheChronicler did for example.
At first glance, it looks like he tries to figure things out and he has made a few pertinent comments but I don't see anything that would prevent him from being a mafia player blending in.
On top of that, there are other players that look more town than him...
So, no, not phagga...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 08:00 GMT
#2906
On November 25 2012 16:50 Keirathi wrote:
Why do you have "possibly medic?" next to me?

I'm not a medic, nor have I claimed to be one at all :o


You should ask Dieno. He is the guy who pinned you as possible medic, I was just commenting on Dieno post and I assumed that I missed something. I'm on phone and navigation is not easy for me to check previous events.
My bad ^^
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 08:02 GMT
#2907
No, not that question. That question was directed at Dieno. The one before about why would we not take Dieno and oats to the event.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 25 2012 08:07 GMT
#2908
I've considered a few things, and I'm going to change my proposed group members.

New group:

CaveJohnson
Toadesstern
Hopeless1der

+ Show Spoiler +

lol, just kidding. heres the real new group:

Oats
Marv
Clarity
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
November 25 2012 08:10 GMT
#2909
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me


Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy".


I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned.
I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event.

For example, what do you think of the following

Djodref as party leader
Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town
Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch
Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 08:11 GMT
#2910
You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
November 25 2012 08:17 GMT
#2911
On November 25 2012 17:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line.


Why would townies lynch a fellow towny? Don't you mean "I'm afraid of getting gunned down in the night."?

Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 08:19 GMT
#2912
On November 25 2012 17:17 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 17:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line.


Why would townies lynch a fellow towny? Don't you mean "I'm afraid of getting gunned down in the night."?



It's more of a joke regarding last game I played in, where the two townies who got night killed both gave me strong town reads, and the third day I got lynched.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 25 2012 08:23 GMT
#2913
## Vote Dienosore

And he got me with his joke was about to write wtf dino.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 08:26 GMT
#2914
##Vote Dienosore

Just resting my vote here as I believe Dieno is not a bad pick. I might still change it since Djo has a point. Syllo said he got an item and there is quite the chance that Dieno will die after this cycle, so if someone runs for election that I'm willing to back I'll end up switching.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
November 25 2012 08:27 GMT
#2915
do you want to talk about it clarity?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 08:29 GMT
#2916
Haven't heard from marv yet, there's only a specific situation where he'd know about it but I expected it to happen.
I'd rather wait for him to confirm or deny.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 25 2012 08:34 GMT
#2917
Hey prom perhaps I missed it, but did you claim your n2 action somewhere?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 25 2012 08:34 GMT
#2918
On November 25 2012 17:10 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 16:29 Keirathi wrote:
On November 25 2012 16:13 Djodref wrote:


Most reasonable Party for this Cycle


  • Party leader: Strong town player who has already shown his alignment (Acro or maybe marv) or me, Djodref ^^
  • Dieno and/or Oats, I think we are in a very good position (no NKs yet) and we should get ballsy and pick only one of them to get more "likely to be town" players
  • One or two "easy to identify as town" players like Clarity or Hapa or me


Why in the world would we do that? Our primary goal this game is to kill Lavos. Winning events probably helps us do that in some way or another. Therefore we want to win every event possible, not leave townies out of them just to be "ballsy".


I agree with you but we would be in a better position imo if all the mafia members are dead when Lavos is summoned.
I'm confident enough in my reads to find two others town players and propose a team which could garantee the success of the event. If I can get town credit and two other guys get town credit at the same time, it really narrows the possibility for.mafia to hide for the next lynch event.

For example, what do you think of the following

Djodref as party leader
Oats are Robo the almost confirmed town
Clarity the new town player sticking to its obvious town meta and early supporter of a sandro lynch
Insert player looking town here : I would have taken Acro but he doesn't want to be part of the team so I guess Marv should deserve this spot. Not fixed on the third player yet.

I think winning the event is more imperative that having some more town reads.

And, no offense, but I wouldn't vote for you for party leader anyways.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 25 2012 08:36 GMT
#2919
@ Syllo
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 01:21 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote:
Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth


This is a really important post.

In any game I would host or any game that I can recall playing, a player who is roleblocked does not return any results to tracking abilities. As sandroba insists he targeted syllo, but was roleblocked, either one of these two players is lying or prom really needs to clarify his role.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 03:54 marvellosity wrote:
Although, kita, I will agree with you on this - Prome's absence is completely disgraceful given his earlier revelation and the fact that sandroba is the main wagon. That's pretty much completely unacceptable, whatever real life excuses he'll give us.

okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. My bread crumb should be obvious to anyone looking but here it is:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 05:40 Promethelax wrote:
Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'
I agree with you that we should not be voting Sand based on his unopposed candidacy and I didn't want to vote Syllo since he seemed intent on bringing Sand with him on the mission. I still prefer Syllo over Sand and will vote him if things get tight, as it is though I am more comfortable with Kita than either of them, his town reads are still strong to me even though he is not as townine in my mind as any of the three he chose to take with him.

In my catching up I saw Kita post something asking why I was voting him if I didn't think he was the best leader. I thought I had made this clear, he was the best leader with a chance of success. If that wasn't clear my apologies, my intention was to communicate that Kita was the least of the evils which were available to me.

I am sending in my night action(s) now. I will be in the thread for another hour.


Syllo: I believe that it is now time for you to announce the members of your team and the reasons for their inclusion. You probably will win this election and I would like to hear your reasons for their inclusion in your team, you may not be able to give us those reads next day since you may be killed by scum/3party. I don't want to block up the thread with a lot of fluf but I think that your reasons would be a worthwhile inclusion that might protect townies from other townies at a later date.

this is why I said that I was sending in my night actions there, to be clear that this is where I specified them. I'm saying that I am using my power to protect Syllo and that it will [role]block people who target him. It isn't a brilliant crumb but I think the awkward wording speaks for itself, this is a crumb. I have other powers but this is the one you need to know about. If I place this on a plyer and they are not targeted for a certain number of cycles than it will provide a certain amount of protection against damage from any in game source.

That being said I would like to return to game things:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 02:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can someone other than marv confirm that Drazerk would be a coinflip at the point?

I have not played with him but the games I have read of his would suggest that this is totally true. Marv is right here.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 02:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Hmmm I see everyone ignored the stuff I posted on Promethelax... anyone care to comment?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=112#2236
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922&currentpage=113#2241


Hapa: you ignored everything I said in response. I think you know better that my actions follow the way I think about the game which, as should be obvious, is not always the dominant way of thinking. Since you haven't responded to me I don't have more to add except that you are a top scum read for me now. I've never seen you, as town, push that someone is scum but also refuse to engage with them. You are more hands on.
I expect this disengaged sort of attack from Zbo but not from you.

hah, gotcha Sand. In post game I'm going to revel in getting that one right. Just in case anyone wasn't sure.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
November 25 2012 08:39 GMT
#2920
I read that, but does it unambiguously say that he used the same ability on me on n1 and n2
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