EPTHe came into the thread telling us town should be doing a better job consolidating, while his post itself did nothing of the sort, and then he left. That's preachy scummy play.
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
He came into the thread telling us town should be doing a better job consolidating, while his post itself did nothing of the sort, and then he left. That's preachy scummy play. | ||
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
I'm goign to look through Alan's filter 1 more time and see if I can find anything that makes me think he's town. If not, I think you two (Alex and Harry) have brought forth enough points to lynch him. | ||
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Douglas Quaid
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Alex Hesse
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
##Vote Alan Schaefer | ||
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:04 Alex Hesse wrote: Let it be known that I'm not very comfortable with Douglas Quaid suddenly wanting to lynch Alan Schaefer right when Harry Tasker and I tell him to get the hell out. Sniped woo. You both have been pushing me to lynch Alan for a while, and you convinced me to vote him. So you're not comfortable with me lynching someone that you think is scum and have been pushing? | ||
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Alex Hesse
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:11 Alex Hesse wrote: No, I'm not comfortable with you at all. You've had ages to look over Alan Schaefer, we've had conversations about him but only now when Harry Tasker and I poke you with Jack Slater joining in you finally get your shit together and then you apparently just read his filter in like 10 mins and decided that he probably wasn't town. You're pointing out things that I haven't considered - especially his ltest post, since I was mostly replying to you guys and posting about Jack. I'll be the first to admit I didn't give his filter a hard look. He's been flying under the radar in my analysis, and given what you brought up, I think he's scum. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:13 Harry Tasker wrote: Also, Alan - Alex has actually tried to push his read on you today, and was willing to explain things about it when I asked him about it. What do you make of this? i don't like it very much - he's doing what I called him out for not doing, after I called him out for it, when he had plenty of time to do it before. Plus his additional reasoning is pretty shitty. I was worried for a minute that this might be confirmation bias - I say "he's scummy because he's not doing this" and then when he does it I say "he's scummy because he's only doing this after I called him out for not doing it." However, he had plenty of time to do it before getting called out on it and he should have done that if he was town. So yeah, I still think he's scum. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
slow this down a minute. I'm town and we're lucky I haven't been hammered yet by a scum. | ||
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
Let's give Alan some time to explain himself. No harm in doing so. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
If I was scum I would either know that he's scum ("we shouldn't lynch him because we don't have enough information, policy lynching bad for town, etcetera) or I would know that he's town ("lynch him not posting is optimal scum play.") You people are fucking ridiculous. This is a hard situation and having trouble deciding what to do is not "wishy washy scum play." Requiring some kind of absurd false self confidence out of everyone and calling them noncommital when they want to be honest with the thread about their decision making process can only hurt the town. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
It's really unfortunate that both townies and scum feel this way. | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
You say that town should be better at consolidating but in fact you have done absolutely nothing yourself to help town consolidate. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 20 2012 03:55 Harry Tasker wrote: And yes, timing does matter. He came into the thread telling us town should be doing a better job consolidating, while his post itself did nothing of the sort, and then he left. That's preachy scummy play. the purpose of the post you're criticizing was just to recognize that Douglas Quaid had attacked Jack Slater for "testing the waters" when in my opinion, Jack Slater was "trying to organize,' which is a very different thing. Yes in an ideal world I should have been doing more to organize as well. But I still wanted (still want) to kill Alex Hesse. I've been trying to get people to talk about him, but it hasn't been super effective. Actually speaking of that, Harry, what do you think about the fact that Alex only started explaining himself and pushing his scum read on me after I posted a case on him and got people to start talking about it? Does that get rid of your "bad feeling" from earlier about how he hadn't been pushing that read/case? | ||
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Alan Schaefer
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
I know which I'd prefer he did. | ||
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Harry Tasker
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 20 2012 04:34 Harry Tasker wrote: Alan, if not Alex, then who? Okay I spent as much time as I could on reading filters. I have to leave soon. Ben's defense post doesn't switch him to a full-on town read but it does make me feel more townie on him. Then there's you and douglas. Right now I think both of you are town. I hope I'm not letting myself be convinced by the Austinmcc "more posts more townie!" fallacy. But I don't think I am. That leaves john matrix and jack slater. jack slater's filter is pretty small, and he spends a lot of it going after ben without really posting much on him in the way of reasoning on him. But I feel like there are some townie elements in there too - I like that he put pressure on doug for the lurker lynch stuff (before we knew there would be someone who just wouldn't fucking post - usually I'm against things like lurker lynches and policy lynches, so I can empathize with townie suspicion of people who push them). So john matrix. There are four things that make this a pretty unique situation - the small game, Palmar's no activity requirement, the skinchanging thing, and the fact that he literally hasn't posted once. The small game makes us way more vulnerable to lurking in general. The lack of an activity requirement means we can't count on modkills or replacement. The skinchanging means if he's scum he can just drop the lurker act and replace someone. And the fact that he hasn't even posted at all is different from what people usually think of when they say "lurkers," it makes it impossible to get even a bad read on him and makes it less likely that his activity will pick up later. At this point I think we can't keep waiting for him to post, it's been several days. We have to assume either that he's scum, or that if he's town he will continue to never ever post at all. So what I think that means is that if he's town, leaving him alive still hurts us. It's one less town vote we can use to outvote scum, which makes it easier for scum to influence the lynch. And the "we should policy lynch him" debate continues to take up time and energy. So at this point, my second choice would be John Matrix. I will vote him if it is completely clear that Alex Hesse isn't getting lynched today. Now I'm leaving, I will check in on the thread when I get where I'm going and see if it's time to move my vote. | ||
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