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Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:27 GMT
#221
I'm not finding much agreeable at the moment :/ What I'm especially disliking right now, though, is Alan popping into the thread, telling us something is bad (but not scummy), telling us we should be doing a better job of consolidating, and then disappearing again.
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:27 GMT
#222
Alex, are you around?
Douglas Quaid
Profile Joined October 2012
92 Posts
October 19 2012 18:32 GMT
#223
I completely disagree with Alan's assessment of Jack, but I don't find him scummy. I'll have to look into Alex's case more, but Alan's fairly null to me. I also find semi-unlikely that scum would turn around and go directly after their accuser in a coherent manner (his vote on Alex).
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#224
why is that unlikely at all?
Alex Hesse
Profile Joined October 2012
72 Posts
October 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#225
Yea I'm around.
Douglas Quaid
Profile Joined October 2012
92 Posts
October 19 2012 18:35 GMT
#226
On October 20 2012 03:33 Harry Tasker wrote:
why is that unlikely at all?


Mafia's natural reaction isn't confrontational. I can see how mafia would do something like that, but I think that reaction is more likely from a townie.
Alex Hesse
Profile Joined October 2012
72 Posts
October 19 2012 18:35 GMT
#227
Of course you get pissed at your accuser, but he didn't "just turn around" he posted a response which was really just an opinion piece and then he prodded to see if he could vote me and then he just did that. I don't find that inconsistent with scum behavior at all. You need to discredit whoever is accusing you anyway so you might just as well accuse him the hell back.
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:35 GMT
#228
I think I could get down with lynching, Alan, Alex.

His last post and subsequent disappearance is pretty terribad. He comes in and posts on something randomly happening in the thread, but he says nothing about his main scumread, you, despite the fact you've posted quite extensively today.
Alex Hesse
Profile Joined October 2012
72 Posts
October 19 2012 18:36 GMT
#229
Okay lets lynch Alan Schaefer then. You in Douglas Quaid? I think it's going to be troublesome getting a lynch on him though because I don't see who our fourth vote is going to be. If he's town we probably wont need one though LOL.
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:37 GMT
#230
##Unvote
##Vote: Alan Schaefer
Douglas Quaid
Profile Joined October 2012
92 Posts
October 19 2012 18:37 GMT
#231
Give me a minute. Gah I'm flip-flopping like a boss on Alan as I keep reading through his filter.
Douglas Quaid
Profile Joined October 2012
92 Posts
October 19 2012 18:43 GMT
#232
Ok. I don't want to lynch Alan right now - this lynch feels like a really emotionally-swing lynch to a post he made 30 minutes ago. I mean there are some odd things in his filter, particularly this:

On October 19 2012 15:12 Alan Schaefer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:45 Jack Slater wrote:
@Alex, why are you all of a sudden apathetic about the lynch, changing your mind about John after vehemently arguing against the idea of lynching him. Why do you have a town read on Ben Richards.

@Ben, can you please elaborate on your Alex scumread and any other reads you have?

@Alan and DQ would you both be willing to vote Ben?

Also, DQ, I think my initial read on you was hastey and it clouded my judgment. Upon re-reading I have moved you back to the neutral zone


Right now I'm having trouble deciding whether I want to lynch john matrix or ben more as a second choice to alex hesse. On the one hand, I never felt good about ben's first post, plus he's being indirectly defended by my scumread alex (when alex attempts to put through the john matrix lynch). On the other hand, I agree with (I think it was henry?) who was talking about how good of a plan it is for scum to just not post day one, and how anti-town that is. So I'm undecided.


That line strikes me as a bit strange, since he isn't posting alex nearly as hard as he should be. He's posting ben harder then alex. However, I sympathize with the overall indecisiveness as that's pretty much what I've been doing.

Let's give the guy a chance to post (longer than 30 minutes at the very least) before we swing a rapid lynch on him.
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:44 GMT
#233
no, that post was a tipping point, not the cause of an emotional reaction.
Douglas Quaid
Profile Joined October 2012
92 Posts
October 19 2012 18:44 GMT
#234
Also, I'd still much prefer lynching Jack or John.

Alex and Harry, what do you y'all think about Jack? I think I laid it out well enough here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374903&currentpage=11#216
Jack Slater
Profile Joined October 2012
46 Posts
October 19 2012 18:45 GMT
#235
On October 20 2012 01:55 Douglas Quaid wrote:
A couple of things:

I'm against lynching Ben Richards for now

I took a look at Alex's read on Ben and largely agree with it. Ben just isn't thinking as if he was mafia. His NK comment seems absurd for mafia to post, and suggesting Harry's posting style is easy to emulate strikes me as very town. It's not what mafia would think. Combined with his first post (which I still read as "try-hard"), I think he's town.

My top two reads are Jack and John

John for not posting (duh).

Jack for what was a very unsatisfying response to my initial query:

Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 11:45 Jack Slater wrote:
@Alex, why are you all of a sudden apathetic about the lynch, changing your mind about John after vehemently arguing against the idea of lynching him. Why do you have a town read on Ben Richards.

@Ben, can you please elaborate on your Alex scumread and any other reads you have?

@Alan and DQ would you both be willing to vote Ben?

Also, DQ, I think my initial read on you was hastey and it clouded my judgment. Upon re-reading I have moved you back to the neutral zone


Firstly, I don't like how he's "testing the waters" in regard to voting Ben. Why should it matter if we're willing to vote Ben? If he's suspicious of him, he should be throwing down his vote.

Secondly, he didn't even respond to the question I asked him and completely dodged it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374903&currentpage=7#135

He was suspicious of me in that post, yet he FOS'd Ben instead. What his read is now has no bearing - I'm interested in the logic of that post, and he still hasn't responded to it.

1. I am still implementing my 4 vote at a time plan... Either that or I will hammer any of my top 2 scum reads I have... As with everyone in this game votes are more important than ever... I want to be one of the 4 voting on the lynch.

2. That question was complete bs and you should know it.. I obviously felt stronger about ben flipping scum then you at that time... But your self centered fear of what people think about you is shining on display... At the time I was reading all of your posts not as neutrally as I should have been, I was aware of this but because you were in my final four and I had spoke on you I didn't feel the need to rehash my read...




Dq is nervous about my read on him and wants to constantly know exactly what I think of him... Because I may think of him as scum he uses ad hominem against me and then calls me scum with baseless accusations... Some of you pointed out the hypocrisy in his posts and there is more when he says I only have 1 scum read and then quotes a post where I put 4 players as my could be scum list while he only has me and John matrix (which isn't even a read) as his "reads"...

Dq is scum lashing back at the thread and myself for trying to organize a lynch that won't allow for a lack of reads or reason behind the votes... This is pushing a scum agenda.




Anyone that says my filter looks bad please explain why? I hate being called scum without reason




I don't have time to post as much as I want to right now in about 3 hours I will be able to post more
Alex Hesse
Profile Joined October 2012
72 Posts
October 19 2012 18:45 GMT
#236
He's had god damn 70 hours to post.

Scum has absolutely no interest in bussing on day1 because they are not going to get any town credit for it anyway. Which means we need 4 town votes.
Douglas Quaid
Profile Joined October 2012
92 Posts
October 19 2012 18:45 GMT
#237
On October 20 2012 03:44 Harry Tasker wrote:
no, that post was a tipping point, not the cause of an emotional reaction.


The tipping point? You were null about him until that post and all of a sudden decided to lynch him? That post was far from a tipping point for me. It's strange, yes, but not damning.
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:47 GMT
#238
He was canvassing opinion, and you yourself haven't laid down a single vote all game. I think he's playing pretty badly, but I would agree with Alex that Alan ends up scummier when comparing two similar players.
Alex Hesse
Profile Joined October 2012
72 Posts
October 19 2012 18:47 GMT
#239
##Vote Alan Schaefer
Harry Tasker
Profile Joined October 2012
107 Posts
October 19 2012 18:49 GMT
#240
On October 20 2012 03:45 Douglas Quaid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 03:44 Harry Tasker wrote:
no, that post was a tipping point, not the cause of an emotional reaction.


The tipping point? You were null about him until that post and all of a sudden decided to lynch him? That post was far from a tipping point for me. It's strange, yes, but not damning.


What I hadn't really noticed on my previous look at Alan is the post you yourself reference a couple of posts ago.

He couldn't be any more non-committal if he tried, where he says he can't even decide between two *secondary* lynch candidates while not pushing his primary one.
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