EPTHe's not the lynch this town deserves but the lynch .... ah screw it.
##Vote John Matrix
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
He's not the lynch this town deserves but the lynch .... ah screw it. ##Vote John Matrix | ||
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
I'm not here to hide anything - you're getting my thoughts in real-time as I make them. So yes, you could say I'm easily distracted. | ||
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
I'm going to bed now. Goodbye. And remember no talking after hammer. | ||
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Douglas Quaid
92 Posts
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 20 2012 07:25 Douglas Quaid wrote: @ Jack and Alan If you think I'm suspicious, man the fuck up and vote me. Otherwise, quit whining. Me jumping around doesn't make me scum. I'm trying to pursue anything I find suspicious, and if I get answers at the cost of me looking bad, that's completely cool with me. Jack in particular, you find my stance on Alan strange (0 of his posts between switching stances), but you ignored the entire conversation between Me, Alex, and Harry. Alan, your entire post is about me jumping around. Cool. What does that even do? If you find me suspicious, vote me. Otherwise, take your shitty case somewhere else. Now no one has yet to tell me why lynching John is a bad idea. It's either we take care of this now (and IMO he has a good chance of flipping), or if somehow he isn't scum, we waste the entirety of tomorrow figuring out if he's scum or not based on 0 posting. It's not supposed to be a case. Jack said that you called people scummy when they weren't active and then went off of them as soon as they started being active and defending themselves. That sounds like scum behavior to me but just because he says that you behaved that way doesn't mean you actually did. I went through a bunch of thread archaeology to try and find out whether or not he was right or if you posted good reasons for your jumping around. Unfortunately, just looking at your filter didn't convince me one way or the other. So what I posted isn't a "case". It's a step in evaluating the case against you and it's a step in determining your alignment. | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
On October 20 2012 07:33 Douglas Quaid wrote: Either I'm completely misinterpreting the phrase, or "hedging bets" is the worst possible way to describe my play. I'm giving opinions on pretty much everyone - how am I withholding anything? I'm not here to hide anything - you're getting my thoughts in real-time as I make them. So yes, you could say I'm easily distracted. Hedging your bets because you have rarely expressed a top scumread that you have pursued. It's always a list, there's 3 people in no order, there's 2 top scumreads, but it's hard to know who you're really pushing at any time. The trouble is, procedurally, I think we simply have to lynch John. Say John is town, and we lynch someone else, and they flip scum. Good! The remaining scum nightkills John. What do we do tomorrow? Do we lynch John then because it's another cycle he's not talked? We're practically forced into it. So we just have to lynch him today. If we're at 3, I'm going to hammer him. Not gonna do it yet in case anyone wants to say something. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
Okay actually wait a minute Harry - I'm misunderstanding something | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
Is my logic broken anywhere? | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
If we lynched someone other than John and they flipped scum, and the scum NK'd john, then john would die the next night when the NK someone else. So I guess I'm just confused why you think that means we would have to lynch John? | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
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Jack Slater
46 Posts
You point out a bunch of quotes that are literally the epitome of what I am talking about in regards to Doug's play yet you somehow still don't draw the same conclusions. I don't understand it. I would also like to see where you think Doug's genuine thought process is shown to the thread when scumhunting (not setup-like discussion) Will you actually lynch Doug, or are you just going to soft defend him with as many words as humanly possible? On October 20 2012 07:25 Douglas Quaid wrote: @ Jack and Alan If you think I'm suspicious, man the fuck up and vote me. Otherwise, quit whining. stop telling me this, i've answered this like 10 times and you keep re-hashing it as if it is an actual issue. stfu Me jumping around doesn't make me scum. I'm trying to pursue anything I find suspicious, and if I get answers at the cost of me looking bad, that's completely cool with me. what makes you scum is your lack of reasoning behind jumping around. Can you provide what answers you have gotten? Jack in particular, you find my stance on Alan strange (0 of his posts between switching stances), but you ignored the entire conversation between Me, Alex, and Harry. Yes I did because this is about your personal read on Alan. Also, you are admitting that you just copied someone else's scum read after telling them they are wrong? Alan, your entire post is about me jumping around. Cool. What does that even do? If you find me suspicious, vote me. Otherwise, take your shitty case somewhere else. Now no one has yet to tell me why lynching John is a bad idea. It's either we take care of this now (and IMO he has a good chance of flipping), or if somehow he isn't scum, we waste the entirety of tomorrow figuring out if he's scum or not based on 0 posting. Because mislynching puts us in lylo and atleast 1 scum is active. I would rather do everything in my power to try and lynch the active scum. If we can hit scum, and John Matrix is scum, he has to "shed his skin". If we do lynch scum, and there is no night kill, i say we no-lynch forcing scum into killing, because there is the chance they with hold a kill to push a john matrix mislynch. | ||
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
No I think you're right - the thing is, though, if we kill a scum before we have to lynch the dude not saying anything then we move lylo back a cycle and get extra time and information to look at everyone else's filters. Like, I guess that the question of lynching the dude not saying anything is the same every cycle as it is now, do we have anyone else who looks scummier. No wait also - the reason for lynching john matrix today was that scum could have him do the NK and then start talking, so they get a free first cycle out of it. So if we lynch someone else and they flip town then we always have to worry "john matrix is still alive, what if he's scum he could just kill himself and we know nothing about how he posted etc" but if we lynch someone else and they flip scum then I think we don't have that problem because as long as there is an NK we know the scum wasn't john matrix. Okay now I think I'm just confusing myself. | ||
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
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Alan Schaefer
42 Posts
On October 20 2012 07:45 Jack Slater wrote: Alan, that entire (long) post comes to very little conclusion. You point out a bunch of quotes that are literally the epitome of what I am talking about in regards to Doug's play yet you somehow still don't draw the same conclusions. I don't understand it. I would also like to see where you think Doug's genuine thought process is shown to the thread when scumhunting (not setup-like discussion) Will you actually lynch Doug, or are you just going to soft defend him with as many words as humanly possible? They're not the epitome of what you're talking about in regards to doug's play. What you said, and what sounds really scummy to me, is that Doug's scum reads are influenced by how active someone is. What I found is that he jumps around a lot but he usually gives reasons, but I can't tell if those reasons are genuine. So if what I posted is what you were talking about, then I see the same information as you, but I don't agree that it necessarily implies that he's scum. | ||
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Jack Slater
46 Posts
On October 20 2012 07:53 Alan Schaefer wrote: They're not the epitome of what you're talking about in regards to doug's play. What you said, and what sounds really scummy to me, is that Doug's scum reads are influenced by how active someone is. What I found is that he jumps around a lot but he usually gives reasons, but I can't tell if those reasons are genuine. So if what I posted is what you were talking about, then I see the same information as you, but I don't agree that it necessarily implies that he's scum. You are giving far too much credit to posts like On October 20 2012 04:17 Douglas Quaid wrote: ##Unvote Let's give Alan some time to explain himself. No harm in doing so. On October 20 2012 05:11 Douglas Quaid wrote: Having read Alan's recent burst of posting, I'm not comfortable lynching him. He's thinking the exact same way as I am about the John Matrix thing, especially his hesitancy between John and his top scumread (Alex). That's my mentality to a T, and I'd be insane to lynch him for that. On October 20 2012 03:57 Douglas Quaid wrote: Jacks' recent post seems legitimately offended that I'd consider him scummy. I'm willing to give him a pass for that. which are his "reasons" for jumping off of me and Alan. | ||
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Harry Tasker
107 Posts
And if we lynch John and he flips town then town was already given a crippling disadvantage to start with given not posting at all is both within the rules AND a strong scum strategy. From a personal point of view the game is already ruined if John is town. This isn't a full-sized normal, or even a fucking mini with 12 players or whatever. 1/7 of our players isn't here. That's a really large chunk of the game. That just fucking sucks. ##Unvote ##Vote: John Matrix | ||
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Alex Hesse
72 Posts
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Jack Slater
46 Posts
Harry and Alex, please talk about my case with me | ||
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Harry Tasker
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Douglas Quaid
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