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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
##Vote: strongandbig We have played this game of cat and mouse for far too long. You know how I act and you know how I play so why would you try to bring me down for something like that when you know its my standard play unless you think you could shift the lynch early because you know how easy it is to form a band wagon on myself. I have found a scum. Screw Keirathi discussion I was doing his job for him. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 01 2012 04:26 ghost_403 wrote: So, hiro, whatchoo think's going on in this here thread? people who are either dumb or pretending to be dumb talking  You're included. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 01 2012 04:40 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, Hiro, so who do you think we should be lynching today? So far, all you've done in this game is setup speculation (a big no-no), and what else? no one in particular right now. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Still wanna lynch Keirathi. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 01 2012 04:15 Keirathi wrote: @austin: Again, I didn't need my case on Mattchew to generate discussion about HIM. I would have happily discussed it with other people if they came into the thread before he responded, but once he did and I was satisfied with his response (plus my meta check through his games), I really had no reason to leave my vote there. I'm certainly not sure that he's town or anything, but his response was townie enough that I unvoted. Here's a question for you, though. What's my scum motivation for doing that? There's just a little disconnect there between wanting discussion and being happy to discuss Mattchew with others and then "why do I need someone else's opinion on my case." Like...if your case was meant as a tool to get discussion, then it doesn't matter much what mattchew says or how he responds, because your primary concern is discussion and not his alignment. His response gives you a starting point for MORE discussion, asking people how they feel about his response, etc. Scummy motivation? Just look at your explanation, that you wanted to stop setup speculation and move into something else, generate discussion, because it would help town. RAWR, i am keirathi, the hero who saved town from a slow game, scum would never do that, feed me your town cred! | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 01 2012 04:46 ghost_403 wrote: Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that. Still wanna lynch Keirathi. You are acting like an ass. You can't just say "Keirathi is too pro-town on D1 to be town" and expect everybody to bandwagon and do nothing else. I see the point of view you are getting at, but I don't see it actually happening right now (i.e Keirathi putting "tons of effort" trying to appear townie), so if you still think that expand on it. Keriathi vs Drazerk At the moment I'm getting the feeling both are town. Keirathi's plan was bad yes, and I agree his unvote seemed a "little" strange, but that's as far as I can see in terms of him being suspicious. Anti-town players rarely come up with intentional stupid/bad cases/plans right off the bat in D1 since it puts lots of attention on them. [pre-edit: I know talismania did something similar in Can't Believe Mafia, so it's possible Keirathi could have done it as scum/3rd party, even if it's unlikely] Other than that his explanations seemed genuine to me. Still gotta keep an eye on him, specially since he hasn't taken off in terms of actual scumhunting right now. About Drazerk....meh. Seems like he thought he caught something. I didn't get the feeling he wanted to shit up the thread since he had the chance to do it. He just seemed to try and make sense of the situation and get some discussion going. I take it he didn't really take his vote on Kei seriously (since why would he vote for someone he thinks is survivor?), although that was a little strange. Am I the only one that found these 2 posts weird? On September 30 2012 14:32 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: Drazerk I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play. On September 30 2012 22:22 JingleHell wrote: People seem to be missing this. The first time he said it, he had some options in there, but now Draz seems focused on "Third Party" for Keirathi... Not scum, but potentially third party (based on all that same speculation about setup)? You suggesting you know who IS scum, Drazerk? ##Vote Drazerk Both of them rarely posted before that, and came out of nowhere with a vote on Drazerk of all people. Then none of them stuck around discussing their read on Drazerk and just disappeared. First, let it be clear that I don't get the feeling both are scum (since I doubt both would act exactly the same way as scum), but it's a possibility if you guys want to discuss it. What I think of it is.....scummy and weird. I didn't see any of them invested in discussions, specially not in discussions concerning Keirathi and Drazerk. They just came, parked their vote on the "easy" target ("easy" in relative terms) and left. I see no town motivation at all in parking your vote and disappearing before discussing your reasoning with other people and waiting to see what others have to say. However, I could let Nisani pass, since he did minimally discuss his read of Drazerk later (it was 1 post, but at least it was something). Plus it's Nisani and I can see him acting like that as town. I'm more concerned with JingleHell at the moment: On September 30 2012 09:03 JingleHell wrote: Hello gents. Let's get some scum. This was his first post. After this I assumed he'd come with walls of text quoting everybody, asking everybody questions and trying to actively find scum. What he actually did was disappear, then come out of nowhere to park a barely-justified vote on Drazerk and disappear again. The contrast between his initial "eagerness" to catch scum and his actual behaviour is very scummy. Again, also considering the fact that he doesn't seem to care about his read on Drazerk since he immediately disappeared later instead of trying to reason his read with others or with Drazerk himself. Players that vote just for the sake of voting (and not for the sake of trying to figure out someone else's alignment) are either ultra bored/busy townies or scum. I see no indication of JingleHell being bored because of his 1st post, nor any indication of him being busy (again, because of his 1st post as well and the lack of explanation from him), so I'm going with the 3rd option here: ##Vote: JingleHell P.S: I can't be arsed to check austin/Mementos/s&b/hiro and all those people right now. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Also, I hope nobody will have the nerve of calling me hypocrite and vote me because of "me doing the same thing JingleHell is doing" or some shit like that. I'm going to study for my test, but I'll be around, so I'll answer any questions you guys have and try to be here and not just disappear. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:20 gonzaw wrote: EBWOP: Also, I hope nobody will have the nerve of calling me hypocrite and vote me because of "me doing the same thing JingleHell is doing" or some shit like that. I'm going to study for my test, but I'll be around, so I'll answer any questions you guys have and try to be here and not just disappear. Oh, so you acknowledge that your "case" against me would work similarly against yourself? Good, I'll just ignore you. If it was somehow ambiguous, I found Draz suspicious in that he seemed to have just assumed a specific subset of non-town for Keirathi. Generally, if I see something as anti-town, I don't go saying "Oh, he must be third party". Why? Because scum is anti-town. Making a faction based guess, especially in a closed setup, beyond saying "X is acting anti-town" sounds like you're privy to some knowledge about factions, and it's probably a little early for that. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9648 Posts
On October 01 2012 04:22 ghost_403 wrote: I'm pretty happy lynching Keirathi right now. He's putting way too much effort into scumhunting on Day 1 to build up towncred. Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. I vote we lynch him today, and mementoss tomorrow. WHO'S WITH ME. ##vote keirathi We are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet. ## Vote ghost_403 | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:38 JingleHell wrote: Oh, so you acknowledge that your "case" against me would work similarly against yourself? Good, I'll just ignore you. If it was somehow ambiguous, I found Draz suspicious in that he seemed to have just assumed a specific subset of non-town for Keirathi. Generally, if I see something as anti-town, I don't go saying "Oh, he must be third party". Why? Because scum is anti-town. Making a faction based guess, especially in a closed setup, beyond saying "X is acting anti-town" sounds like you're privy to some knowledge about factions, and it's probably a little early for that. insta-delurk. actively lurking is cool ##vote: JingleHell | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:47 Keirathi wrote: Yea, I really don't understand ghost's point. Putting in effort is anti-town? Fucking boggle. Only when I put in effort is that ever the case | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:03 austinmcc wrote: Scummy motivation? Just look at your explanation, that you wanted to stop setup speculation and move into something else, generate discussion, because it would help town. RAWR, i am keirathi, the hero who saved town from a slow game, scum would never do that, feed me your town cred! Do you really think I got town cred for making a weak case and then unvoting? Lol. Here's how I see it: I could have just said "Hey guys lets stop speculating about the setup and someone do some scumhunting!", or I could have pointed out what I found mildly scummy and accomplished the same goal in a better way because now people actually have something to actually talk about. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:38 JingleHell wrote: Oh, so you acknowledge that your "case" against me would work similarly against yourself? Good, I'll just ignore you. I acknowledge that some people may not pay attention and think of it that way. Just trying to save people some time. If it was somehow ambiguous, I found Draz suspicious in that he seemed to have just assumed a specific subset of non-town for Keirathi. Generally, if I see something as anti-town, I don't go saying "Oh, he must be third party". Why? Because scum is anti-town. Making a faction based guess, especially in a closed setup, beyond saying "X is acting anti-town" sounds like you're privy to some knowledge about factions, and it's probably a little early for that. Why is him thinking Kei was 3rd party instead of scum suspicious? Why do you think he's privy to knowledge about factions just because he called someone 3rd party (which is as ambiguous as you can get regarding "factions")? Why does that make him scum? Also Jingle.....what else? Do you have any comments on anything else that happened? You haven't talked about Keirathi either nor said if you thought Drazerk's "find" was legit or not, plus you ignored everything else happening as well. Short questions I want answered ASAP so we get them over with: At Drazerk: 1)Why do you think Keirathi was 3rd party and not scum? 2)If you thought he was 3rd party survivor, why did you still vote for him? At Keirathi: 1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
JIngle, I get the feeling you are voting Drazerk and accusing him just so you can justify doing something in this game. I don't get the feeling you are trying to figure out his alignment and convince yourself he is scum, nor I get the feeling you want to convince us he is scum so we can lynch him. I just see you lurk, then come out of lurking to park your vote using a half-assed justification for it and then going back to lurking. Like I said, I can only see bored/trollish/busy townies doing that (although even busy townies would try to do something else to push their read), and I don't see you being any of them. You are too serious and "eager to catch scum" to be a bored or trollish townie (for instance I could see Nisani being a bored townie, at least at this point in the game), and again there's no indication you are busy (and again even if you were I doubt you'd act like you did). So where does that leave you? As scum unfortunately, unless someone can figure out some town motivation for Jingle's behaviour. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:59 gonzaw wrote: At Keirathi: 1)Are you going to start scumhunting soon? When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads. | ||
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