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Drazerk
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Keirathi
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I wanted to derail the setup speculation. I did that. Simple enough. | ||
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Drazerk
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If you wanted to truly derail the thread from set up you would of kicked up a storm and not backed down for at least 24 hours. A 2 hour changeover where only mattchew posted anything significant isn't that. | ||
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Keirathi
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Drazerk
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Keirathi
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Nisani201
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I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Backing off the way you did doesn't help your primary cause: Derailing the thread. | ||
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Drazerk
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Drazerk
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
I'm not talking about his defense. I'm talking about how you're attacking him. You're voting him because he's not playing ideally. | ||
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Nisani201
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Drazerk
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Keirathi
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On September 30 2012 14:32 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: Drazerk I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play. Poorly thought out newbie mistake? Here's a hint: we're still not talking about setup speculation! Trying to guess if there's 3 scum, or 4 scum, or 3 scum 1 third-party etc wasn't moving us towards actually catching any of them. As far as him still pushing me, its not a big deal. I'm a big kid, I can handle myself. | ||
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Mattchew
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Drazerk
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What I am doing is what should of happened with the little push. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 30 2012 14:37 Mattchew wrote: i also thought keirathi's sudden turnaround strange. i am trying to figure out if it was bad town play or nervous scum/3rd party play What was strange about it? | ||
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Drazerk
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Mattchew
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On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: Of course my case is bad. I certainly don't think you are scum for something so...inconsequential. But this thread needed to move past setup speculation and into people giving real, meaningful opinions and thoughts that they can be held accountable for. Although, I was hoping that other people would weigh in on it before you responded  ##Unovte For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post you admit your case is bad, which lacks confidence and is passive. if this was a plan, I don't see the town benefit by revealing it so quickly, and I don't see the town benefit to letting it play out either. Its easy to say you wanted to promote non-setup discussion; but if you were leading a discussion based off of admittedly bad logic that is just as bad for town if not worse because of the alignment implications. By revealing your hand so quickly you didn't allow for the discussion to shift. its super easy to now say told ya so, but in reality you didn't know where discussion would head when you admitted your plan. also, you used a lot of smiley faces in your passive post making it even more passive and scummy | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On September 30 2012 14:54 Mattchew wrote: you admit your case is bad, which lacks confidence and is passive. if this was a plan, I don't see the town benefit by revealing it so quickly, and I don't see the town benefit to letting it play out either. Its easy to say you wanted to promote non-setup discussion; but if you were leading a discussion based off of admittedly bad logic that is just as bad for town if not worse because of the alignment implications. By revealing your hand so quickly you didn't allow for the discussion to shift. its super easy to now say told ya so, but in reality you didn't know where discussion would head when you admitted your plan. also, you used a lot of smiley faces in your passive post making it even more passive and scummy If I lacked confidence, why would I have even made the case to start with? Here was my thought process: I started reading the thread, and I saw the last few posts all speculating about the setup in a closed setup game. And I'll admit, I even threw my own comment out there. Then I realized that setup speculation wasn't doing anything to actually benefit town. So I went back and looked for who started the discussion, and it was you. Then I looked back at your earlier posts, remembered you seem to roll scum a lot, and you were doing a thing that I've personally used to identify scum. None of those things are major scum points, and the fact that you roll scum a lot isn't even relevant at all. I was satisfied with your defense (particularly your point about the "what can I expect this game" response), so I unvoted. There really wasn't anymore to it than that. The fact that we're still not talking about setup speculation is, of course, a bonus. PS, dunno if you were serious about the smileys=scum heuristic, but if so thats even worse than my "I'm Townie Town Town!"=scum heuristic. | ||
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