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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:04 GMT
#81
No but the reasons for why you backed down don't make sense with the timing
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 30 2012 05:06 GMT
#82
Why not? I really don't understand your objection here.

I wanted to derail the setup speculation. I did that. Simple enough.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:15 GMT
#83
I disagree the set up speculation would start again when all the Europeans wake up because your little idea was poorly managed. To me it just looks like a third party realizing they had done something silly and trying to back out of it before they are caught out without realizing their excuse puts even more focus on the stunt.

If you wanted to truly derail the thread from set up you would of kicked up a storm and not backed down for at least 24 hours. A 2 hour changeover where only mattchew posted anything significant isn't that.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 30 2012 05:20 GMT
#84
Matt took my case seriously, and gave a solid response. I don't need to wait for other people to come into the thread to tell me that. No reason to leave my vote on him anymore, it accomplished my goal.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:22 GMT
#85
You need other people to comment on something before you dismiss it especially when the only person commenting was the person the case was built around.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 30 2012 05:26 GMT
#86
That doesn't make any sense. Why do I need someone else's opinion on my case to make up my own mind about how well Matt defended himself?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
September 30 2012 05:32 GMT
#87
##Vote: Drazerk

I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play.
Enjoy your day.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:32 GMT
#88
Because defenses can be manipulated to look good and its easier to crush a case as scum which is why you should basically ignore them.

Backing off the way you did doesn't help your primary cause: Derailing the thread.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:33 GMT
#89
Nisani don't be retarded I only vote for scum as scum so clearly your logic is flawed
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:34 GMT
#90
Also I've not once called it scum play if you actually read the thread
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
September 30 2012 05:35 GMT
#91
You're right. You called it third party, but that really doesn't matter. The point is that you see it as anti-town, when it's not.

I'm not talking about his defense. I'm talking about how you're attacking him. You're voting him because he's not playing ideally.
Enjoy your day.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
September 30 2012 05:36 GMT
#92
Should rephrase that first line. You see him as anti-town because of his actions.
Enjoy your day.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:36 GMT
#93
It is anti town bad mistakes cause town losses better to route out people who can slip up at crucial decisions early in the game isn't it.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 30 2012 05:37 GMT
#94
On September 30 2012 14:32 Nisani201 wrote:
##Vote: Drazerk

I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play.

Poorly thought out newbie mistake?

Here's a hint: we're still not talking about setup speculation! Trying to guess if there's 3 scum, or 4 scum, or 3 scum 1 third-party etc wasn't moving us towards actually catching any of them.

As far as him still pushing me, its not a big deal. I'm a big kid, I can handle myself.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 30 2012 05:37 GMT
#95
i also thought keirathi's sudden turnaround strange. i am trying to figure out if it was bad town play or nervous scum/3rd party play
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:38 GMT
#96
What I'm currently doing is MUCH MUCH MUCH better than what Keirathi set out to do and it reaches the same purpose.

What I am doing is what should of happened with the little push.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 30 2012 05:39 GMT
#97
On September 30 2012 14:37 Mattchew wrote:
i also thought keirathi's sudden turnaround strange. i am trying to figure out if it was bad town play or nervous scum/3rd party play

What was strange about it?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 30 2012 05:41 GMT
#98
anyway I'm going to bed I'll speak more then I'm not sleep deprived
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 30 2012 05:54 GMT
#99
On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote:
Of course my case is bad. I certainly don't think you are scum for something so...inconsequential. But this thread needed to move past setup speculation and into people giving real, meaningful opinions and thoughts that they can be held accountable for. Although, I was hoping that other people would weigh in on it before you responded

##Unovte

For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post

you admit your case is bad, which lacks confidence and is passive.

if this was a plan, I don't see the town benefit by revealing it so quickly, and I don't see the town benefit to letting it play out either. Its easy to say you wanted to promote non-setup discussion; but if you were leading a discussion based off of admittedly bad logic that is just as bad for town if not worse because of the alignment implications. By revealing your hand so quickly you didn't allow for the discussion to shift. its super easy to now say told ya so, but in reality you didn't know where discussion would head when you admitted your plan.

also, you used a lot of smiley faces in your passive post making it even more passive and scummy
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
September 30 2012 06:10 GMT
#100
On September 30 2012 14:54 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote:
Of course my case is bad. I certainly don't think you are scum for something so...inconsequential. But this thread needed to move past setup speculation and into people giving real, meaningful opinions and thoughts that they can be held accountable for. Although, I was hoping that other people would weigh in on it before you responded

##Unovte

For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post

you admit your case is bad, which lacks confidence and is passive.

if this was a plan, I don't see the town benefit by revealing it so quickly, and I don't see the town benefit to letting it play out either. Its easy to say you wanted to promote non-setup discussion; but if you were leading a discussion based off of admittedly bad logic that is just as bad for town if not worse because of the alignment implications. By revealing your hand so quickly you didn't allow for the discussion to shift. its super easy to now say told ya so, but in reality you didn't know where discussion would head when you admitted your plan.

also, you used a lot of smiley faces in your passive post making it even more passive and scummy

If I lacked confidence, why would I have even made the case to start with?

Here was my thought process: I started reading the thread, and I saw the last few posts all speculating about the setup in a closed setup game. And I'll admit, I even threw my own comment out there. Then I realized that setup speculation wasn't doing anything to actually benefit town. So I went back and looked for who started the discussion, and it was you. Then I looked back at your earlier posts, remembered you seem to roll scum a lot, and you were doing a thing that I've personally used to identify scum.

None of those things are major scum points, and the fact that you roll scum a lot isn't even relevant at all. I was satisfied with your defense (particularly your point about the "what can I expect this game" response), so I unvoted. There really wasn't anymore to it than that.

The fact that we're still not talking about setup speculation is, of course, a bonus.

PS, dunno if you were serious about the smileys=scum heuristic, but if so thats even worse than my "I'm Townie Town Town!"=scum heuristic.



My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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