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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 12 2012 05:22 GMT
#1841
you should totally have done that.

I really wanted it to be like that but I couldn't manage to get a scum read on keirathi.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 12 2012 05:23 GMT
#1842
On October 12 2012 14:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I totaly should have made ATLAS and P-Body on opposite teams with those same abiliites except P-Body's would roleblock someone unless they were already being roleblocked, in which case it unroleblocks them. Basically end up with scum jailer and a town jailer that way, however town would have atlas and scum would have P-Body. That way if scum get a medic kill they are rewarded with a RBer, and if town get a RB kill they are rewarded with a medic.

what do you guys think?

As long as you specify in the Role PM that they could be (or ARE) different alignments. I spent the entire game 99.999% trusting that S&B was town because your Role PM didn't really leave room for ambiguity, while the House Chezinu PM's in Aperture 1 specifically did allow of different factions :D
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#1843
On October 12 2012 14:23 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I totaly should have made ATLAS and P-Body on opposite teams with those same abiliites except P-Body's would roleblock someone unless they were already being roleblocked, in which case it unroleblocks them. Basically end up with scum jailer and a town jailer that way, however town would have atlas and scum would have P-Body. That way if scum get a medic kill they are rewarded with a RBer, and if town get a RB kill they are rewarded with a medic.

what do you guys think?

As long as you specify in the Role PM that they could be (or ARE) different alignments. I spent the entire game 99.999% trusting that S&B was town because your Role PM didn't really leave room for ambiguity, while the House Chezinu PM's in Aperture 1 specifically did allow of different factions :D


I basically make my role PM's like Legal documents. Unless it says "He is confirmed to be town". He is not. I included the chezinu thing because as a mason group you have to always specify they are different alignments.

I put anti-break mechanics in all my games. Not sure if you guys noticed but 50% of your town PMs were in blue and 50% were in green.
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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#1844
On October 12 2012 14:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I totaly should have made ATLAS and P-Body on opposite teams with those same abiliites except P-Body's would roleblock someone unless they were already being roleblocked, in which case it unroleblocks them. Basically end up with scum jailer and a town jailer that way, however town would have atlas and scum would have P-Body. That way if scum get a medic kill they are rewarded with a RBer, and if town get a RB kill they are rewarded with a medic.

what do you guys think?


So, I kinda want themed games where you can't tell someone's alignment by their name because everyone has a recognizable character and scum has recognizable characters to claim, or you just screw with everyone and make alignment not realistic to the universe. Glados = town, chell = scum. Basically, even though I loved your fake claims that you wrote, they just didn't have some of the name recognizability as the bigger names. Idk, maybe that's just because I knew jingle and ghost fake claimed. Whatever, I'm just rambling now.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#1845
my role pm didnt say you were town, it didn't say anything about your alignment.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
October 12 2012 05:25 GMT
#1846
I don't think "buddy" is really mod-confirmation of town lol. I kinda agree that having you target the same person he targets is a strong indication of town/maybe neutral third party.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 12 2012 05:26 GMT
#1847
On October 12 2012 14:25 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:23 Keirathi wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I totaly should have made ATLAS and P-Body on opposite teams with those same abiliites except P-Body's would roleblock someone unless they were already being roleblocked, in which case it unroleblocks them. Basically end up with scum jailer and a town jailer that way, however town would have atlas and scum would have P-Body. That way if scum get a medic kill they are rewarded with a RBer, and if town get a RB kill they are rewarded with a medic.

what do you guys think?

As long as you specify in the Role PM that they could be (or ARE) different alignments. I spent the entire game 99.999% trusting that S&B was town because your Role PM didn't really leave room for ambiguity, while the House Chezinu PM's in Aperture 1 specifically did allow of different factions :D


I basically make my role PM's like Legal documents. Unless it says "He is confirmed to be town". He is not. I included the chezinu thing because as a mason group you have to always specify they are different alignments.

I put anti-break mechanics in all my games. Not sure if you guys noticed but 50% of your town PMs were in blue and 50% were in green.


I noticed that
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 12 2012 05:27 GMT
#1848
On October 12 2012 14:25 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I totaly should have made ATLAS and P-Body on opposite teams with those same abiliites except P-Body's would roleblock someone unless they were already being roleblocked, in which case it unroleblocks them. Basically end up with scum jailer and a town jailer that way, however town would have atlas and scum would have P-Body. That way if scum get a medic kill they are rewarded with a RBer, and if town get a RB kill they are rewarded with a medic.

what do you guys think?


So, I kinda want themed games where you can't tell someone's alignment by their name because everyone has a recognizable character and scum has recognizable characters to claim, or you just screw with everyone and make alignment not realistic to the universe. Glados = town, chell = scum. Basically, even though I loved your fake claims that you wrote, they just didn't have some of the name recognizability as the bigger names. Idk, maybe that's just because I knew jingle and ghost fake claimed. Whatever, I'm just rambling now.


You can ask people. this game was anti meta for me because I made most characters their actual alignment. In Aperture 1 Chell was a vanilla town and got lynched for claiming as such.
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Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 12 2012 05:28 GMT
#1849
On October 12 2012 14:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:19 Crossfire99 wrote:
Anyway, I had a lot of fun, GreY. Thanks for hosting. I definitely want to play in the next one if there's one.

Agreed.

Host a new one soon <3


Catastrophe Mafia is coming *sometime* in the next month. Me, GMarshal, and iGrok are hosting it.


What is this? Is going to be as fun (or terrible lol) as the name implies?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
October 12 2012 05:28 GMT
#1850
Yea Aperture 1 "third party planar dragon" was scum lol. That was pretty funny.

And having kanti be town when he was mentioned as a "being of great power" in balrog's PM was pretty funny too.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
October 12 2012 05:29 GMT
#1851
On October 12 2012 14:27 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:25 Crossfire99 wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I totaly should have made ATLAS and P-Body on opposite teams with those same abiliites except P-Body's would roleblock someone unless they were already being roleblocked, in which case it unroleblocks them. Basically end up with scum jailer and a town jailer that way, however town would have atlas and scum would have P-Body. That way if scum get a medic kill they are rewarded with a RBer, and if town get a RB kill they are rewarded with a medic.

what do you guys think?


So, I kinda want themed games where you can't tell someone's alignment by their name because everyone has a recognizable character and scum has recognizable characters to claim, or you just screw with everyone and make alignment not realistic to the universe. Glados = town, chell = scum. Basically, even though I loved your fake claims that you wrote, they just didn't have some of the name recognizability as the bigger names. Idk, maybe that's just because I knew jingle and ghost fake claimed. Whatever, I'm just rambling now.


You can ask people. this game was anti meta for me because I made most characters their actual alignment. In Aperture 1 Chell was a vanilla town and got lynched for claiming as such.


Lol, you have a hosting meta. Really, I guess they assumed Chell should have been a blue. lol
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-12 05:30:34
October 12 2012 05:29 GMT
#1852
On October 12 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote:
my role pm didnt say you were town, it didn't say anything about your alignment.


Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition! You are P-Body, the Roleblocker Roleblocker. You and your buddy A.T.L.A.S. (who is also in the game) are great test takers! You are much more cunning than your partner, and can help others solve tests. Each night you may target a player, and remove all roleblock effects on them for that night. Because you and A.T.L.A.S. are so in sync, whoever he targets with his ability you will also affect as well. you win with the town

If it said that, and a "Test Giver" flipped, and you were somehow scum, I would have been pretty pissed.

Why would scum P-Body and town ATLAS (or vice-versa) be buddies at all? Much less specifically say we are both test takers.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 12 2012 05:33 GMT
#1853
On October 12 2012 14:15 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:13 gonzaw wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:10 HiroPro wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:10 Crossfire99 wrote:
Heck that's what made it scary to use Jingle's ability on someone to target me. We had no idea what their ability was. I figured there would have been a DT because there were 2 scum factions and at least 5 total. Also, I figured there would be more than just 1 town vig with that many scum, but meh. idk


ou needed to play townie enough to get some protection.


I would have thought he would have gotten protection on N1 though.
I mean, he was like "confirmed town" by that point, wasn't him? Why didn't any of the 4 "medics" (Nisani, Kei, S&B, Mementos) protect him? lol


Why would he get protection? He was pretty useless. Plopping a vote down doesn't make you "confirmed town" and it certainly doesn't merit receiving protection.


He hammered a scum from the (at that point assumed) only scum faction in the game on D1.
If he was town, scum would have it almost impossible to get him lynched and he would be considered pretty much confirmed town (like many did) because of that fact, whether he's useless or not.
That's enough for scum to shoot him (if he were town), which is enough to get him protection (to avoid a scum shot), at least from 1 of the 4 medics.
I'm glad they didn't though of course

On October 12 2012 14:16 GreYMisT wrote:
Gonzaw you became invincible becasue Matt bussed you and Keirathi, and Drazerk stole Matts ability and Bussed you and S&B. This means any ability directed at you would be done to both S&B and Keirathi, and anything done to Keirathi would skip you and go to S&B. and vice versa


Did S&B/Kei target me or one of them that night?

I don't really get how that's being invincible. If let's say S&B was shot that night...I'd get shot instead and die, right?
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 12 2012 05:34 GMT
#1854
On October 12 2012 14:33 gonzaw wrote:
Did S&B/Kei target me or one of them that night?

I don't really get how that's being invincible. If let's say S&B was shot that night...I'd get shot instead and die, right?

No, S&B and I targetted each other.

If S&B was shot, it would have been bussed to you. But since you were also bussed with me, it would have been bussed to me instead.

So basically, with the double bus on you, S&B and I were bussed with each other.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 12 2012 05:36 GMT
#1855
On October 12 2012 14:34 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:33 gonzaw wrote:
Did S&B/Kei target me or one of them that night?

I don't really get how that's being invincible. If let's say S&B was shot that night...I'd get shot instead and die, right?

No, S&B and I targetted each other.

If S&B was shot, it would have been bussed to you. But since you were also bussed with me, it would have been bussed to me instead.

So basically, with the double bus on you, S&B and I were bussed with each other.


Unfortunatly as I said my notes are at college which i'm not going to until this sunday. Im going to upload them to the thread so you can see how I figure things out.
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
October 12 2012 05:37 GMT
#1856
On October 12 2012 14:33 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:15 HiroPro wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:13 gonzaw wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:10 HiroPro wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:10 Crossfire99 wrote:
Heck that's what made it scary to use Jingle's ability on someone to target me. We had no idea what their ability was. I figured there would have been a DT because there were 2 scum factions and at least 5 total. Also, I figured there would be more than just 1 town vig with that many scum, but meh. idk


ou needed to play townie enough to get some protection.


I would have thought he would have gotten protection on N1 though.
I mean, he was like "confirmed town" by that point, wasn't him? Why didn't any of the 4 "medics" (Nisani, Kei, S&B, Mementos) protect him? lol


Why would he get protection? He was pretty useless. Plopping a vote down doesn't make you "confirmed town" and it certainly doesn't merit receiving protection.


He hammered a scum from the (at that point assumed) only scum faction in the game on D1.
If he was town, scum would have it almost impossible to get him lynched and he would be considered pretty much confirmed town (like many did) because of that fact, whether he's useless or not.
That's enough for scum to shoot him (if he were town), which is enough to get him protection (to avoid a scum shot), at least from 1 of the 4 medics.
I'm glad they didn't though of course

Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:16 GreYMisT wrote:
Gonzaw you became invincible becasue Matt bussed you and Keirathi, and Drazerk stole Matts ability and Bussed you and S&B. This means any ability directed at you would be done to both S&B and Keirathi, and anything done to Keirathi would skip you and go to S&B. and vice versa


Did S&B/Kei target me or one of them that night?

I don't really get how that's being invincible. If let's say S&B was shot that night...I'd get shot instead and die, right?


It's not like they're aware that there are 4 medics.... And it's always better to protect the people who are actually scumhunting well (which on d1 was matt/mementoss).
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 12 2012 05:37 GMT
#1857
Oh I get it now.

lol that's funny. Hey, maybe that's a funny mechanic for a multi-bussers game or something like that.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 12 2012 05:57 GMT
#1858
On October 12 2012 14:29 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote:
my role pm didnt say you were town, it didn't say anything about your alignment.

Show nested quote +

Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition! You are P-Body, the Roleblocker Roleblocker. You and your buddy A.T.L.A.S. (who is also in the game) are great test takers! You are much more cunning than your partner, and can help others solve tests. Each night you may target a player, and remove all roleblock effects on them for that night. Because you and A.T.L.A.S. are so in sync, whoever he targets with his ability you will also affect as well. you win with the town

If it said that, and a "Test Giver" flipped, and you were somehow scum, I would have been pretty pissed.

Why would scum P-Body and town ATLAS (or vice-versa) be buddies at all? Much less specifically say we are both test takers.


Really want the flavor I would use?


Hello, Cave Johnson here! Welcome to cooperative antagonist robotic testing! Today is a great leap forward in science, so you should be proud! Or rather your computer brains should be simulating proudness. Anyway after watching robots try to work together but then get each other killed, we decided to see how well robots trying to kill each other work together. Makes sense right? RIGHT?!?! Anyway, get out there and try to work towards your common goal of beating the other. You'll do fine.

We're done here.


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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
October 12 2012 06:04 GMT
#1859
On October 12 2012 14:57 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:29 Keirathi wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote:
my role pm didnt say you were town, it didn't say anything about your alignment.


Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Portal Edition! You are P-Body, the Roleblocker Roleblocker. You and your buddy A.T.L.A.S. (who is also in the game) are great test takers! You are much more cunning than your partner, and can help others solve tests. Each night you may target a player, and remove all roleblock effects on them for that night. Because you and A.T.L.A.S. are so in sync, whoever he targets with his ability you will also affect as well. you win with the town

If it said that, and a "Test Giver" flipped, and you were somehow scum, I would have been pretty pissed.

Why would scum P-Body and town ATLAS (or vice-versa) be buddies at all? Much less specifically say we are both test takers.


Really want the flavor I would use?


Hello, Cave Johnson here! Welcome to cooperative antagonist robotic testing! Today is a great leap forward in science, so you should be proud! Or rather your computer brains should be simulating proudness. Anyway after watching robots try to work together but then get each other killed, we decided to see how well robots trying to kill each other work together. Makes sense right? RIGHT?!?! Anyway, get out there and try to work towards your common goal of beating the other. You'll do fine.

We're done here.



That would be much, much more ambiguous and would have left room for one or the other to be scum. I totally don't think the PMs in this game left wiggle room for the other one of us to be scum, so if they were opposite alignments it would have been bastard modding

I do like that role concept for the next one though <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 12 2012 07:03 GMT
#1860
On October 12 2012 14:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:
On October 12 2012 14:19 Crossfire99 wrote:
Anyway, I had a lot of fun, GreY. Thanks for hosting. I definitely want to play in the next one if there's one.

Agreed.

Host a new one soon <3


Catastrophe Mafia is coming *sometime* in the next month. Me, GMarshal, and iGrok are hosting it.


/in

i will do my utmost to get drazerk killed

unless i'm a vig in which case i will shoot scum
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
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