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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Screw third party and all their back stabbing goodness | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:03 Keirathi wrote: When I feel like there's enough for me to make an actual case that I believe in. Until them, I'm content to ask questions and discuss the current goings-on in the thread to build my reads. Okay, answer me this then: 1)How do you stand in respect to Drazerk? Do you agree with Nisani/Jingle/etc about his scummy behaviour or do you think he's town or are you not sure? 2)Same about JingleHell. Do you agree with what I said about him or not? Or do you think it's not enough to judge his alignment, and if so why? 3)Do you think ghost acting like an idiot and wanting to lynch you for mind-boggling reasons makes him scum, reckless townie trying to play the "aggressive hero" role, or is not enough to judge his alignment? I'm more interested in your thought process at the moment rather than what you actually think (I want to know if you are legitimately trying to build your reads or you are scum trying to skate by without doing anything) | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:48 Mattchew wrote: insta-delurk. actively lurking is cool ##vote: JingleHell Terrible timing. I had just logged out of GW2. Believe it or not, I don't much care. As for Gonzaw, I'm just going to ignore his ass, if anyone else would like to actually question my motives instead of just making silly assumptions so they can look active by jumping on a dumbass bandwagon, I'll happily answer them. Especially since Gonzaw quotes my post where I explain why I think Draz was being scummy, and then asks me, in essence, to explain what he just quoted. Unless he needs it in smaller words, there's no value in responding. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
However, I could let Nisani pass, since he did minimally discuss his read of Drazerk later (it was 1 post, but at least it was something). Plus it's Nisani and I can see him acting like that as town. Can you explain this a little more? And I don't think your point on JingleHell is very good. I can see someone who isn't very familiar with Drazerk jumping on that. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:09 gonzaw wrote: 1)How do you stand in respect to Drazerk? Do you agree with Nisani/Jingle/etc about his scummy behaviour or do you think he's town or are you not sure? I don't think Drazerk is scummy. I feel like he was just legitimately trying to keep the discussion rolling after I unvoted. You'll notice that I didn't question his motives, I just responded to his questions and kept rolling. He was right to call out my unvote. He's was wrong about my intentions, but it was the right move for a townie. On October 01 2012 06:09 gonzaw wrote: 2)Same about JingleHell. Do you agree with what I said about him or not? Or do you think it's not enough to judge his alignment, and if so why? You copied my question to JH, then added lurking on top of it. There's not really much to agree or disagree with. Yes, his logic leap didn't make sense when he vote for Drazerk. And yes, he was lurking. Town JH is known for being aggressive and leader-y, so until he steps up, I am wary of him. However, I do at least understand his argument about Drazerk now that he explained it. On October 01 2012 06:09 gonzaw wrote: 3)Do you think ghost acting like an idiot and wanting to lynch you for mind-boggling reasons makes him scum, reckless townie trying to play the "aggressive hero" role, or is not enough to judge his alignment? This is the harder one. I honestly don't think that ghost is an idiot. He hosted two of my three newbie games, and definitely saw the amount of effort I put into Newbie XIX within the first 12 hours of replacing in, so theoretically he should know the way I play better than anyone else in this game (I've played in one game with about half of the players in this game). So why is he acting like that? Honestly, my first thought was Village Idiot, but I'm not sure if there's a VI-type role, and I think its pointless to speculate about it so I didn't mention it. I 100% think what he has said was anti-town, though. As a bonus answer, Nisani is the other person (besides ghost) that I am particularly interested in right now. I feel like him jumping in to defend me against Drazerk because I was a "newbie" was taking advantage of an easy situation. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:24 HiroPro wrote: Can you explain this a little more? And I don't think your point on JingleHell is very good. I can see someone who isn't very familiar with Drazerk jumping on that. But jinglehell played PTP3 with drazerk, you were there as well. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
I will intentionally fuck with it to screw you guys over | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:29 Drazerk wrote: Don't apply meta to me I will intentionally fuck with it to screw you guys over I wasn't I was just saying that HiroPros point on JingleHell was invalid. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Hiro, could you expand on why familiarity with Drazerk makes that seem less scummy? Oh, and as for trying to be leader-y, after my dismal performance in PTP3, and worse, people listening to me while I was doing it, I'm trying to formulate more solid cases before going after people. I seem to have a knack for accidentally creating anti-town bandwagons, so I want to avoid a repeat of that. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:30 Mementoss wrote: I wasn't I was just saying that HiroPros point on JingleHell was invalid. No, it's not. I don't think that JingleHell has played with town Drazerk before. I have and I know that Drazerk is obsessed with third parties regardless of his own alignment. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:32 HiroPro wrote: No, it's not. I don't think that JingleHell has played with town Drazerk before. I have and I know that Drazerk is obsessed with third parties regardless of his own alignment. That's good to know. For now, then... ##Unvote I'm going to continue to wait a bit before going into heavy attack mode on anyone, though, for the reason I just gave. Fuck bandwagons and (too often my own) bad cases. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Nisani followed up his vote with an explanation when Drazerk called him out. He didn't seem too interested in the game either, his behaviour seemed way less aggressive than Jingle, which like I said I could see as him being a bored townie and not caring that much about the game, which is why I focused on Jingle. I still found it odd, but meh it was Nisani and my gut didn't tell me he was scum. It's still interesting so of course we should still keep an eye on him. And I don't think your point on JingleHell is very good. I can see someone who isn't very familiar with Drazerk jumping on that. What about my other points? That Jingle comes out to post just to "appear he's contributing" and "justify himself" and seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it? Hmm, I'll wait on the contributions of other people before doing anything else. I'd really like Mementos to tell us if his austin thing is getting anywhere and if he has anything else to say. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
No comments on my reply? Do you agree with my thinking? | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:25 Keirathi wrote: As a bonus answer, Nisani is the other person (besides ghost) that I am particularly interested in right now. I feel like him jumping in to defend me against Drazerk because I was a "newbie" was taking advantage of an easy situation. I recently played a game on another forum where I was pushed hard throughout the entire game because I made a small "newbie mistake" at the beginning. This game seems very similar and I don't want us to make the same mistake. Not sure what to think of ghost, I think it's pretty stupid for anyone to vote Kei. I'm also not sure why drazerk took his vote off kei, since it doesn't look like anything really changed his mind. I also think that Mementoss's "analysis" post was really stupid. It was a bad case on austin and the other half was him calling people town. He's on my radar but I'm still more confident in Drazerk. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:45 gonzaw wrote: What about my other points? That Jingle comes out to post just to "appear he's contributing" and "justify himself" and seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it? I find this a bit weird, "seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it", but he could just be busy. Frankly, I'm more interested to hear what he has to say about other people. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:52 Keirathi wrote: @gonzaw: No comments on my reply? Do you agree with my thinking? No, no comments. Like I said I wanted to see your thought process. I kind of agree about Drazerk and ghost, although I'm not thinking too much about ghost's behaviour right now, I'm basically waiting for him to do something else and see if he stops trolling or if he legitimately will play all the game like this. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
I'm confused about Drazerk. I guess I haven't played with him before and some people seem to have used this to inform their decision. As for Jingle, I don't think that we can use the fact that he posted a defense when he did as justification for voting for him. If he continually has that timing, then I'll use that as evidence. Also, I think people are reading too much into Jingle's early vote on Drazerk because I'm confused by Drazerk, and can understand Jingle's reasoning for voting him. But some of you are saying that Drazerk is just acting like his normal self...so I guess I'm still just confused by Drazerk... I don't understand this post of yours, Drazerk. On October 01 2012 06:05 Drazerk wrote: Scum don't make mistakes third party do Screw third party and all their back stabbing goodness Don't scum make mistakes, too? And isn't that how we catch them? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:56 HiroPro wrote: I find this a bit weird, "seems less interested about his actual read and convincing people of it", but he could just be busy. Frankly, I'm more interested to hear what he has to say about other people. Ignoring my paranoia about people bandwagoning on what could turn out to be bad reads, if I go pointing to Mattchew's actively-lurky accusation of me actively lurking, he'd just say OMGUS. Not much else he's done that's really worth analyzing, without breaking down silly things, which will always end up making someone look scummy. Gonzaw, who's mixing a tunnel my direction, and asking for the tail to wag the dog (he keeps pointing my way, and asking everyone else to dive in before he commits any harder), would scream OMGUS if I made that into a case. Draz, who I unvoted, I'm continuing to keep an eye on. A lot of us, minimal posting. If I rip into Ghost for his rather funky post that's already been commented on, people who are already looking at me based on napkin-thin logic will assume I'm trying to redirect suspicion (which, realistically, they'd say about anything probably, but still.) It's "too easy" to jump on board with that, and while I dislike the post, I'm assuming it made more sense in his head, because that's too often the case with posts that get people shredded on D1. And I'm trying not to lead into cases based on over-analyzing one or two posts yet, because when I do that, I do a better job of persuading people than is good for town, so I'm waiting for larger patterns. And, as always, if anyone likes one of Gonzaw's questions for me, please repeat it, because I don't feel like indulging him. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I'm having mixed feelings about you. I don't know if this aggressive "I don't care" behaviour of yours is a ruse or if it's legit, but it's confusing me a little bit (i.e I don't know if you'd react like that as scum). I'm not asking people to bandwagon you, and asking for opinions and stances. If it makes you feel any better though: ##Unvote: JingleHell Jingle, what do you think of Mementos' 1st post about Keriathi and austin and his behaviour this game? I wouldn't mind shifting discussion towards Mementos, ghost, S&B and maybe Nisani. Hell S&B did absolutely nothing so far, maybe Drazerk is onto something. P.S: Also Jingle, are you seriously saying you won't accuse anybody so they don't accuse you of OMGUSing back? Are you willing to accuse any of those people you mentioned just out of spite or because you seriously think they could be scum? Don't start acting like the world is against you when you only have 2 votes and it's 24 hours into D1. | ||
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