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On September 30 2012 04:31 Mementoss wrote: mightaswell /in Psh /out j/k dawg | ||
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On September 30 2012 15:02 Mattchew wrote: i re-read shady's "trolling" and it seems extremely forced and thought out. this is either proof to his point of him trying to get warned or him being too nervous to troll casually because he is scum. Tell me what you think is "extremely forced and thought out" about Shady's trolling please. Use of the word "extremely" should make that exceedingly easy to explain, so I look forward to hearing it. Shady Sands is the most suspicious person in the thread right now though. His explaination for his vote makes no sense with his explanation for his trolling, which also made no sense independantly. Think that didn't make sense? Read it again. And then go read Shady's posts. And be suspicious of him with me. Also I'd like to know what you found worth reading in annul's post. First of all, setup speculation (as the mod has pointed out) is useless. Not to mention the fact that he's trying to sell certainties rather than speculating anyway - speculation has an air of questioning and uncertainty, but annul's post brashly made assumptions based on the daypost which I find terribly suspicious. So I'd like for you to explain what you liked about it if you please. | ||
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Will you help me figure out who, if any of them, is most deserving of a rope around the neck? | ||
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On September 30 2012 23:30 annul wrote: "this game has light clues." it seemed like clues to me. it seemed real and certain enough that the mod had to explicitly come in and clarify they are not clues. Yeah, I get that - it was the manner in which you were "speculating". They only seemed certain because you interpreted and explained them that way, which is what I found suspicious. Anyway, that's all you got right now so I'd certainly not lynch you for that. I'm just WATCHIN you as a result. However, I'd like for you to explain why an FoS of you is "FoSable" please. This is probably gonna be good. ##vote: annul | ||
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On October 01 2012 00:18 annul wrote: any acts made in dramatic haste and based on -- at best -- questionable logic is always FoSable "Dramatic haste" is like...I took issue with your post BECAUSE it was your first post. I don't know how long you'd want me to WAIT before bringing it up or whatever, but....okay I guess. So go ahead and explain how my logic is questionable. I'm all ears. Here's my thought process. I know you as scum tend to give town more information than they need. So when I see you making assumptions about the game based on the daypost (clues or no, what you did wasn't speculating) then yeah that's gonna raise red flags for me. Yes, I voted for you. I voted for you because you said you were gonna FoS me without FoSing me like a little bitch. So I made it real. | ||
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What do you think of annul so far marv? | ||
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Telling town you got hit in XVIII comes to mind in regard to you giving town information they don't need...though, that's subjective because as you claimed then, it was something you'd have done as town. Regarding the day post, again - your answer is sufficient mainly because of how subjective the circumstances. Like, I didn't take "clues" to mean anything about the setup because we got all the information about the roles I assumed we were going to get (their names). Taken with DrH's warning about our profiles and I took the clues to specifically pertain to the players. However, you obviously interpreted that differently. And as far as ad hominem attacks go, I didn't call you a little bitch. I said you acted as a little bitch would act in saying you could FoS me if you wanted to and be totally justified in doing so, but you didn't FoS me. It was a description of your post, not of you personally. I know you're not a little bitch, I've played with you before. And you've played with me before and you know I don't think you're a little bitch. So can we just not please? | ||
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I have played with annul before. Once that I can remember. We went almost all-in as scum together and Jackal came from behind and won it for us with an extra vote in XVIII. If we've played together as town, I can't remember it. At this point I'm null - I got a false read on him early on, and while I think his anger at me seems a little contrived, I know I've overreacted once or twice to people calling my posts stupid or something. Once that I remember for sure. Maybe twice. I've seen him play scum. He's pretty terrifying and that may have biased my read earlier. I'd like to hear more from ShadySands as well, but I'd like you to elaborate on your suspicion of him. I know why I'm suspicious of him, and I'm not sure if it's for the same reason as you. | ||
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Shady is an intelligent guy. Poor play isn't something I'd use to write Shady off. I mean, he's not super awesome like me, but he's good enough to know that what he's doing is newb shit which means it has to be intentional. And while it's possible that he's being straight up with the whole "Oh you know, I wanted to martyr myself to the mod as an example", I tend to think that he's just trying get out of hot water before he's in it, so to speak...which is a scum trait. In fact, ##Vote: ShadySands Going MIA after making shitty accusations and troll entrance is like...strike three for me. @Everyone else I find nothing scummy about KJ's input on scumhunting in an inactivish environment. If that's all he's got, then we'll talk. As it stands though, that one singular post is better than the several who haven't posted at all. That being said, the whole "seemed contrived/was contrived" nonsense does need clarification. @KJ "...seemed contrived" is the same thing as "was contrived" in the context of analyzing behavior. If you're town, then if something "seems contrived" then that's suspicious because townies have no reason to fake it. Saying something that X said "seems contrived" means the same thing as "It looks to me like X is faking his reaction" - do you not understand how someone would get defensive about that? And then trying to paint it scummy (Y U DEFENSIVE) on top of that makes it seem like you're trying to set him up. Ultimately, you're after meaningful contribution and you have provided none. There's stuff going on in the game worth commenting on, and presently you're not. I'm willing to lynch into ShadySands, kingjames01 as it stands. We really need more content from everyone though. | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:32 marvellosity wrote: talis is known for posting much more as town than as mafia. But when someone has absolutely no posts at all, it's a bit hard to speculate what's going on. This. There are scummys in here that need to go before we talk about killing people with one post. Yeah, I forgot about a voting thread...but I'm going to be voting for KJ instead of Shady anyway. @BC Your primary concern with the Shady wagon seemed to be that there was one. Is that the case? And if so, are you kidding me? @ZBos I was as clear as I could be regarding KJ. Someone (I forget who) said they thought his comment about forcing lurkers into the spotlight by meaningfully posting was scummy. I did not, and that's what the first statement was about - I didn't find that particular post scummy. However I find him scummy enough to lynch based on the reasons I gave after that statement. I didn't go from "town read" to "scum read" as you seem to imply. Also, does anyone else feel like I spent "about a billion posts attacking annul"? Because it didn't seem that way to me. It seemed more like one post. :/ | ||
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I'm not going to defend myself against talismania's post because there's nothing there. I've contributed as much as I feel I can. I find it interesting that he's going after me with an "activity tell"....as his first post in the game. Food for thought. | ||
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Now - do you feel better about how much I've been posting? I should hope not - because none of that is relevant to this game. However, in spite of how true all of the above is and how completely is explains why I haven't been in here "exhaustively posting", it should hold no bearing on my alignment whatsoever anyway. I wasn't baiting annul. I wouldn't bait annul because he'd make me his bitch. I was prodding annul because that's the kind of guy I am. He took offense (or seemed to) and I rectified it. YOU are the one bringing this back up - not annul, and not me. So if you want to accuse someone of "shitting up the thread" as a result of my actions, take a look in the mirror friend. And "low hanging fruit" you say? Like - what does that even mean? Easy targets? Have you ever even PLAYED a game with annul? How about Shady Sands, does he strike you as an EASY FUCKING TARGET TALIS? This is the part where I log off TL until I get home in an attempt to return to objective thinking. If curiosity overcomes, I might return, but I actually do have work to do tonight, and I actually am afraid for my job because of how much I play mafia at work. | ||
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On October 02 2012 10:00 annul wrote: i didnt think that push was actually serious. if you really want to know my answer to this, then give me time to focus his filter It looked serious enough by players whom I consider to be serious players. Anyway, I do want to know your answer to that or I wouldn't have asked. I mean, yeah I'll post just to read my own typing on occasion, but generally speaking if I specifically ask someone a question, I enjoy an answer. Also your read on Kush hasn't changed I assume? Have you considered just like...noob town? Because that's what kush looks like to me. | ||
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On October 02 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote: What do you think of austin? I'm seriously struggling with where I want to place my vote at the moment. I don't want to lynch either kush nor kj, which leaves austin/Shady. Between them I find Shady scummier, but we're kinda just waltzing towards his lynch in an eerie fashion. I also went back and had a look at Mementoss, and he just seems kinda nullish. Deadline kinda sucks because he said he was going to look for scum an hour or two ago, and he could still be doing that, but I can't stay up forever :/ The most damning thing on austin imo is the very fact we're going towards a Shady lynch, austin knows he's under pressure and he's kinda contributed a little bit on Shady and then jumped ship again. I'll answer this. Give me a minute. | ||
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I'm liking a Node lynch. I do NOT think we have the votes to make it happen. I still like a Shady lynch, but more and more it's feeling like an angry townie ragequitting the game more than a scummy manipulation tactic. However his explanation for his trolling was totally bullshit and I can get behind his lynch more than kj/austin. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:10 annul wrote: this node push seems VERY forced, wtf Define this statement please. | ||
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"I've been hoarding this Node case since he made his second post. I was afraid to post it but..." -scumAustin "DO IT!!!" -scumVE and scumMarv in unison "But what if they..." "DO IT!!!!" | ||
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...not sure if srs... | ||
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Well I mean...I went and checked the vote thread... Anyway, I get what you're saying...do you think it's austin? You just gave a greenish read on him. What are your thoughts on Marv? And if Node is such a "known townie" then why was the wagon so easy? I'm just trying to figure out where the problem is here...do you like Node for a lynch candidate or not? Time is of the essence, hence the fast votes - it didn't happen out of nowhere, people have expressed displeasure with both his content AND his activity. What are YOUR thoughts on Node EXCLUDING the events of the last 20 minutes? | ||
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The worst part is that we didn't fucking lynch scum annul. | ||
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And really dislike Mattchew. It's going to be an eventful night guys. Sleep tight. | ||
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On October 02 2012 23:55 annul wrote: it looked an awful lot like shady was getting modkilled. easy way to take out two towns in one day.... WTF is this shit? Do you think marv is scum or not? Because this looks like fanning flames to me. Clearly you're trying to reinforce this idea that marv was leading a distraction-wagon by positing a motivation for doing so as scum while he's defending himself - however you don't give an opinions one way or the other. In fact, given the information we have right now (Shady's flip) I'd say it's more likely that Node is scum and your premise is based on the idea that Node is town. AGAIN. So. Annul. Tell me. What is Node's alignment? What do you THINK is marv's alignment? | ||
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Annul explain this too. BEFORE night ends. You tried to start a ZBos wagon 25 minutes before lynch. How were you expecting to get votes other than the "clearly indicative of a town wagon" method of 8 votes in 12 minutes? Seriously, because you were all up in arms about the Node wagon for that reason specifically and exclusively. However, you were counting on votes to appear on ZBos with that speed if you ever intended for ZBos to get lynched. | ||
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Medics, on me and marv. DTs, on BC and Mattchew. We totally got this. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:02 annul wrote: rofl at one of the reddest looking players trying to coordinate blues LOL at one of the reddest looking players trying to make people believe that you believe that one of the greenest looking players is the reddest looking player. | ||
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BC I want your professional opinion of annul. | ||
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In response to your question annul, I'm riding with about 60-75% certainty on you being scum at this point. It's not my strongest read ever, but you're a hard cat to fathom regardless of your alignment (or so I hear). But it's one of my stronger reads. I've never seen someone have to bloat up their contributions in the face of adversity more than you have this game - see I can use hyperbole too! ^^ | ||
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On October 03 2012 09:45 kushm4sta wrote: who would you say you've pushed?? Who have you made a good case on? The longest post by far in your filter is a mostly omgus defence. "Rofl"s everywhere. VE has said that annul plays a scary mafia... If this is his scumplay how is this scary? It seems like he is making himself quite an obvious target for lynching if he is mafia. That's what you think...until he actually feels like he might be lynched. Then watch. *shiver* Palmar couldn't get the guy lynched. PALMAR. And his newbie brigade was in full force at the time! | ||
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On October 03 2012 09:49 marvellosity wrote: Palmar couldn't lynch my fucking cat You missed the Palmar Revolution. It's similar to the VE Renaissance, but with poorer play and more sheeping. | ||
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On October 03 2012 10:21 annul wrote: if i had such magical "lynch evasion" skills, wouldnt i have these same skills as a green about to be lynched too? What's your point? Did I ever say it was a skill you exclusively possess as scum? I didn't think I did :/ | ||
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On October 03 2012 10:34 kushm4sta wrote: @annul Yeah I never saw the praise of your lynch evasion skills used as a case against you. So who is your top scumread atm? Is it still me because it's been a long time since you mentioned me. Out of the mouths of babes. So to speak. No offense. He won't tell you right now because he's pretending to be afraid to die overnight (lol). However, chances are I'm his top read right now or marv. One of the main drivers of the Node switch. | ||
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Seems pretty clear cut to me. | ||
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I'll see you cats in the morning. | ||
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I'm not scum guys. But yeah, don't take my word for it. I'm rereading now. Be back in a bit. | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:46 marvellosity wrote: I did. I called myself town earlier today. Touche | ||
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Hey now you're lying...you are voting for annul, someone who's dead. :/ | ||
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Mementoss this thread's lack of your minty freshness makes me sad in the pants. | ||
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Marv is definitely the scums. Whoever he never mentions in the game I'd probably have a hard look at. Otherwise I haven't reread the game (as I said I would :<) so I'm crippled until I do. BC what do you think of Mattchew? | ||
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On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig) We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv. We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think. He's not disputing the possibility of 4 kp...only the existence of 3 medics. | ||
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On October 04 2012 05:09 marvellosity wrote: 'weak' doctor my ass Be bitter elsewhere. | ||
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<3 marv I'm sure this won't be forgotten. | ||
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Old news. | ||
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It feels like a roleblock attempt. I don't know what else to say about it. And I didn't say that should be any kind of tell. You're the one saying that because I'm alive, I'm scum. Which, by the way, is absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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On October 04 2012 08:12 Kreb wrote: Well, a good 5+ have expressed suspicions of VE so far. I dont think we all need to go and quote each other saying we agree. The ball is in his court, lets wait and see if he has anything to say. Please, by all means. Bring it on. I haven't done anything wrong except be wrong. That doesn't mean I'm scum. It means I'm bad at the game. At least 75% of the players in this game knew that already. :/ | ||
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On October 04 2012 09:14 iamperfection wrote: quiet you i saw your little show earlier and he will be next. Nono...he's genuinely butthurt. That was no show. | ||
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? I don't even understand this statement. I assumed you were talking about marv. | ||
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On October 04 2012 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: You said you were going to read through the thread again so you could figure things out. Instead of making a case against someone you just sit in the thread wise cracking? Me? Dude, we're lynching marv today. I can assure you I'm reading. I'll post something, don't you worry. It's not about the wise-cracking. Just...trust me guy. You won't want to lynch me when it's time to actually pick someone to lynch. | ||
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Honestly I have a townread on austin, but a "HOLY FUCK PLEASE DON'T LET HIM BE SCUM" read on BC. But that's pretty much standard where BC and I are concerned. | ||
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On October 04 2012 12:09 DarthPunk wrote: Up to Page 48. I am pretty bummed marv decided to Troll/WIFOM/Shit up the thread so badly. It makes this much more arduous a task. Scum. I think. Anyone else wanna check my math? | ||
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On October 04 2012 12:20 kushm4sta wrote: ##fos sloosh for saying im worth a vig shot even though I have a town read. you would like that wouldn't you But....but you....but.... | ||
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On October 01 2012 12:19 kushm4sta wrote: I'm not going to lose any sleep over a shady lynching. He's basically turned into a hardcore lurker, which is even worse considering all the pressure he is under. Not worse as in more scummy but more lurkery, Some people are suggesting that it was part of some scum strat. Have you guys even read his filter? Before the game ever started: Lynch him fine but don't say it's because you think he's scum. On October 04 2012 12:20 kushm4sta wrote: ##fos sloosh for saying im worth a vig shot even though I have a town read. you would like that wouldn't you You're literally saying you're voting for slOosh for something you did earlier in the game. Why is it okay for you, but it's a point of suspicion for slOosh? | ||
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Yeah no. I'd be happy to answer something substantive but that's laughable coming from you Coag I'm sorry. | ||
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My little one-liner calling DP scum was a joke. It was a dart thrown because he claimed to be reading the thread and hadn't contributed anything yet, but felt compelled to bitch about marv shitting up the thread like that means anything. I didn't really think he was scum, it was meant to be lighthearted (hence the "check my math" part). Though, looking back I can see how that might look like gauging interest in a DP wagon, that wasn't what was happening. It was strictly a lighthearted jab at DP. Mainly because I know how much he hates that kind of shit (being called scum for no tangible reason). | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:06 Coagulation wrote: I didnt say my reads are worth a fucking shit either. If I had more on you VE I would have no problem spamming the thread with "VE MUST DIE" but I dont. Instead people ask me my reads and I gave the only ones I have noticed so far regardless if they are solid or not. But just throwing names out there for no reason is just as bad as saying nothing Coag. Surely you can see my issue. On October 06 2012 04:51 Coagulation wrote: why the fuck am I on the list? Im sorry but I have done nothing to look scummy at all. Maybe im not the most active player here but that sure as fuck doesnt indicate that im scum in any way. You JUST wrote this sir. Don't get indignant about me questioning your read based on activity. | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:21 kushm4sta wrote: ve why are you lurking the thread watching for your name to be mentioned? I'm not - I'm reading the thread and happened to see my name mentioned. Why are you telling me what I'm doing without knowing what I'm doing? | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:47 kushm4sta wrote: because you say nothing then say something the instant your name is mentioned. kind of like risk Well my eye was on the thread because I was READING IT Kush. It has nothing to do with the timing of my name being mentioned - it has to do with the timing of me READING THE THREAD. | ||
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Twice in one game. Damn fine work guys. Sick crumb fuba. | ||
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Coagulation My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity. Also I think this is a scumslip. On October 04 2012 00:59 Coagulation wrote: lol butt hurt townie detected. You will be ok big boy walk it off. Discuss. | ||
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That wasn't a discussion. And I really meant from non-coag peoples. | ||
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JUST ADMIT IT YOU'RE SCUM AREN'T YOU?! | ||
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I never thought Coag was scum - I wanted to see who jumped onboard a shitty-ass case. Kush won. I'm presently looking over previous games to decide if I think it's because he's scum or because he's just really really bad. | ||
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That's a claim though. The whole "suboptimal play" thing lends weight to your claim for me. Although arguably I think it was better this way - assuming you're telling the truth it gives scum a chance to try and discredit you and shit, and you said you won't be around for a deadline post anyway. | ||
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On October 09 2012 05:27 Coagulation wrote: lynch bc. I dont feel kush is scum. Why. THIS. WHY? EXPLAIN YOURSELF! | ||
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On October 09 2012 05:38 kushm4sta wrote: I do not agree with VEs doubt that momentoss might be scum. I think he is completely telling the truth. It perfectly explains my theory. So another 2 days with an obvious lynch target....so cool. I never said I thought mementoss is scum. I said he might be scum. And he might be. My position was actually that I lean toward believing his claim, based on the preamble of "suboptimal play inc". But you know, feel free to continue to misrepresent my position in a horribly scummy manner. It will make it that much easier to lynch you in the days to come. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: EBWOP It also forces mafia into trying to figure out if you are infact a vet, got medic prot, or both. It makes them speculate on a role that may or not exist and thus potentially fuck with their night shots. Not sure why people think this is a big deal. Except you did that for them with the claim by thanking a magical medic - you wanted them to specifically think that you were medic protected. Why? | ||
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On October 09 2012 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: VE why are you so hard on my ass all of a sudden? First you lie about suspecting coag. Then you say you are going to look through my past games to figure out if I'm a moron or scum. Did you do that? I hope not because it would be a collosal waste of time given how limited your time must be to justify your lack of contributions to this game. But if you actually did that then kudos to you. You should have come to the conclusion that I am indeed a moron. So why are you so suspicious of me? Because marv and hapa defended me? Well scum node attacked me. I think mafia see me as an easy target and use me to distance themselves from each other. I am an easy scum target because I have acted superficially scummy. I'll build a case when I have time. In the meantime, keep defending yourself against accusations I haven't made. I'm finding the reading incredibly interesting. | ||
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On October 09 2012 07:22 Promethelax wrote: People keep saying how ahead we are, is that really true? do you think we're at a 13-2-1 situation right now or 12-3-1 or what? I see those still being pretty balanced. We've lost some power roles, scum has lost their GF. And, most importantly, we have had almost no discussion for two cycles. How do you see us as so far ahead of scum that SK wants to eliminate townies? VE, Kier, thanks for participating. Its nice to see you guys posting more. VE: if Kush were to be Vig'd who would you want to lynch next Day? Kier: What do you think of our lurking contingent, there are a lot of good players not joining in, which of the is towniest and which scummiest? Tentatively ZBoson. He was quick on the Node wagon on D1 if memory serves, which was what made me start reading him in the first place...however he was also quick off it. He expressed pretty serious suspicion of myself and Coag which he has never revisited (to my knowledge - I have not done a thorough reread.) I'm going to go over some of the interactions, but yeah ZBoson is my second highest scum read. | ||
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However, you've quoted marv extensively and even yourself a couple of times, with plenty of comment on those posts. As such, there's nothing for me to respond to. Have a nice day Kreb. | ||
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But feel free to take that with a grain of salt. | ||
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##Vote: kush I'm heading to bed, but I'll be finishing up my reread and posting thoughts in depth tomorrow (real time). | ||
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Therefor, like Kei, I believe that BC might actually believe that's how watchers function and as such would immediately jump to the conclusion that Mementoss is scum. This is a mystery we can unravel later though. In the meantime I'd like to hear what both of them have to say about today's lynch. | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:49 Mementoss wrote: The way kush is able to think logically about his top scum read and retract it makes me think kush is town. I do not like his lynch any more. We'll see how strong that "retraction" is in time, Mementoss. Words are easy. My suspicion of Kush isn't going anywhere, and OMGUS is going to be calling quite clearly. | ||
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Kush fits the bill for newbie scum trying to blend in with town. Look at his D1 play when everyone was screaming at Shady. He slipped that he knew Shady would flip town, but wanted to kill him anyway. If WIFOM is more your speed, Annul called him out on it, and annul died. He's certainly scum. We should be lynching Kush today. | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:16 iamperfection wrote: hey you i just want to check if my posts are invisible to you. Kush brings up a good point abut the role block stuff but your actions in this game still hav eme concerned. Once again why did you think that marvs flip had anything to do with nodes alignment? Plus why aren't you suspicious of me at all i have been yelling ve for a while now and you havent even responded to me. If you are town what do you think of me pushing you? Aren't both of the players you're asking about dead? Why does it matter? If you have some kind of reason to suspect me then tell me about it now, while I'm here. I'm digging through the thread already trying to get Kush lynched. If it's coherent and you believe in it then you can sum it up for me. Until then, suffice to say that I realize I don't look great because of my activity, but honestly I think I've played a much more town game since I've come back. As for why I don't suspect you.... .....do you want me to suspect you? Why would you ask that? Nothing has jumped out at me as overtly scummy in your play, but I haven't read thoroughly, as I've said. I can certainly go back and take a look if you like, but right now I'm trying to lynch kush. | ||
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What do these quotes mean? | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:25 kushm4sta wrote: They mean that your reads are either really bad this game or you are scum. We've already established that my reads are bad this game. I'm trying to make up for it by lynching you friend. | ||
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Because I fancy myself familiar with Marv's play, I thought he was trying to play optimally. And, as I stated at the time, bussing would have been suboptimal. Therefor it occurred to me that scumMarv wouldn't want to bus in that situation. I wasn't aware of all the factors at the time, and it turned out to not be a bus. But at the time I thought that was the method to marv's play. I was wrong. Sorry bro. Several people have stated disillusionment with the vets because of this game. I welcome it - I'm not very good at this game all told. I have good reads on occasion and I'm decent enough as scum, but I'm not this beacon of skill everyone has been making me out to be this whole game. But I've got a good thing goin in this kush lynch. | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:58 Coagulation wrote: man I dunno... .. I promise I'll give you much better reason later. I just want your vote to cement Kush as a candidate - write his name in ink on the docket. If you don't like my reason later, feel free to remove it dude. | ||
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I think we can both agree that regardless of my alignment, this has been a pretty backward showing for me in a mafia game - am I wrong? | ||
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I kid I kid. | ||
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Well, for the first part of the day my focus was split - for the middle part of the game our lynches were predetermined - and here we are. Me back at it with fullish focus. | ||
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What's retarded is that you're calling a play I'm making retarded when you're not even DOING ANYTHING. FUCK OFF if that's all you're going to do. | ||
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j/k...I read them. Paraphrase please...if its something you believe you can summarize your suspicions. | ||
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Thx for your cooperation kush. Srs. | ||
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On October 03 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: Are you that disconnected from this thread? IF he survives the night? How dumb would scum have to be to nk a town annul... This is the post. This post here. I read Kush filter three times looking for THIS POST. It's the post where he accidentally tells us he's scum. Note his incredulity. Why would that conclusion be so surprising to Kush unless he already knew annul was town? He is saying that annul would definitely live the night on the supposition that scum would NEVER kill him. But...why? And he doesn't even factor in TOWN kp as a possibility. It all betrays a scum mindset guys. | ||
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N1 I was roleblocked. N2 I checked Coag and he came back as town "Concerned Citizen". Now e'erybody climb onboard the VE Failtrain of Glory(holes). | ||
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On October 10 2012 07:08 Coagulation wrote: now I can sit around and do nothing and you guys cant do shit about it. What a jerk. | ||
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I hadn't considered the possibility that you could be framed. None of the roles really jumps out at me as framer - maybe that's what Coroner does. I don't know. I don't care. It came up red. We'll deal with the implications of any flip other than red if we come to it. If you're town think of this as your way of helping town figure out who's scum. I'm not lying, but I concede that there's a slim chance of you flipping town. @Town I didn't want to claim, I claimed because I didn't think given my activity that I could get a lynch on Kush without it and town is fixating on this BC thing which I feel is a bad idea. No offense BC, but the question of your alignment can wait until we're out of red to kill. That's my opinion anyway. | ||
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To be fair though, it was between you and Z-Boson. I may or may not check ZBoson tonight, depending on your flip and the contributions of others between then and now. If I'm alive. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? | ||
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On October 10 2012 07:51 kushm4sta wrote: the fuck? I just logged on to see this garbage from VE. I'm vanilla town not mafia coroner. The thing is it doesn't make sense that a mafia would give up their life just to lynch me. This is why I think it's possible someone framed me maybe. Bolded for emph-ass-is | ||
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Just chillax dude - if Shiao is scum we'll find out soon enough. What's your take on Mementoss' claim? According to the OP we have a Private Investigator (me) a yet-to-be-confirmed "Detective" and Mementoss' claim of a watcher type role in (I think) "Medical Examiner". My role functions like a cop/rolecop double whammy. That begs the questions "What does the Detective do?" and "Why the piss does a role like Medical Examiner function like a watcher?". | ||
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On October 10 2012 15:37 VisceraEyes wrote: ZBos what did you hope to accomplish with your switch to Coag D1? | ||
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On October 10 2012 15:40 Z-BosoN wrote: Not lynch node. I didn't think the wagon was justified, I felt like I was stupidly sheeping and I didn't want to switch to SS because I thought he was town. Why did you "stupidly sheep" in the first place? If it's such an aberrant playstyle to you, why did you jump onboard in the first place? | ||
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So yeah, it kinda made a difference. And I wouldn't go around yelling about how you ruined town's chance on D1 of lynching scum "based off of one post". People might get the wrong idea. | ||
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kushm4sta, ZBoson I know I said the focus on the BC thing was a bad idea, but I've been thinking about it and the whole Mementoss/BC thing is...strange. On the one hand I can't understand Mementoss' assumption that BC is third party - I mean, we don't know if medic saves are informed (to my knowledge) so why would Mementoss assume BC was lying about thinking he was medic saved. On the other hand, I can't understand BC's assumption that Mementoss is scum based on a role not functioning the way he's used to in a closed setup game where the roles are obviously fucked with. That's everyone's homework assignment for tomorrow (or today if your brain can take it). Go back over Mementoss and BC's filters. See if their play matches up with the claims. Is passive-ass BC really a veteran? Is Mementoss convenient claim of a flipped role just a bit TOO convenient? The truth is in this thread. | ||
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There's a world of difference. The fact that you're not even acknowledging that fact is pretty scummy. | ||
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On October 10 2012 16:13 Z-BosoN wrote: O come the fuck on. The vote was 12 shady 5 node at the end. Just because I was the first to unvote Node doesn't mean shit. Why the hell would I do that 40-50 minutes before the actual lynch time if my true goal was to save Node? If you wanna use that as an argument, include the other 5 (?) people who changed their vote. But you literally JUST SAID that was was your true goal. So was that now not your true goal? What are you talking about sir? | ||
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So were you trying to save Node or not? You just said that was the reason for your switch. Why did you switch if not to save Node? | ||
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And my point is that you wanted to save Node by killing a townie. Your unvote, WHENEVER it was timed, ensured the lynch of someone you had a town-read on. Verily, someone who you're claiming is THE REASON you had a town-read on Node in the first place. Can you see the logic breakdown? Can you see how in telling me all of this you've basically claimed scum to me and anyone paying any kind of tertiary attention? | ||
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You're missing the point I'm making entirely. MY point was that in switching to Coag, you ensured the lynch of ONE OF YOUR TOWNREADS. The precious town-reads you're hoping to save with the switching shenannies in the first place bro. If you were town, I would have expected you to pick the lesser of two evils - not completely buck both of the candidates in favor of an outlier with NO FUCKING VOTES. THAT is my point, the vote counts and timing and shit doesn't matter at all - the breakdown in your reasoning lies in the fact that you ensured the lynch of Shady with your switch, someone who you had a townread on, by unvoting someone you initially voted "as a good alternative to SS". Anyway, feel free to prove me wrong. Feel free to try and find scum between now and lynchtime tomorrow. If you're town, I honestly hope you're able to show it to us because right now all I'm getting is scummy fact-twisting and double-talk. It could be because it's late (it's 4am here too) but that's what tomorrows are for isn't it? | ||
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Night bro. | ||
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Go to sleep sir. We can continue this after we've both slept. | ||
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Oh, just wanted to see how you'd react seeing his name in red like that. Interesting that you took immediate issue with it. Carry on bro. | ||
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I could lynch ZBos as well, but honestly I can see him being as bad as he's being as town. Leaning scum. Mattchew has had this air of "I don't give a fuck about playing properly" for pretty much as long as I can remember (which isn't long, given my vices.) You know and I know that he's capable of more - but he doesn't care to show it, and I think of the people you listed he's most likely to be town. However, that's based solely on meta so it isn't worth much. As of right now I prefer a ZBos follow-up. | ||
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On October 11 2012 01:20 kushm4sta wrote: @ VE and BC it's an honest question... how can scum make up a claim like that about BC and have it be corroborated by BCs story... it doesn't make sense to me that he isn't town. If he's scum then he knows (presumably) that he shot BC. He can also postulate that, given a dead watcher, no other watcher is going to counterclaim him. He also knows the name of the watcher role as it has flipped. Anyone can say anything if they surround it with enough truth. | ||
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BC your play doesn't match what I see optimal as veteran play. You went AFK/passive early on when you should have been trying to get scum to shoot you. Before you say it, yes I'm aware that whatever you did "worked" because you got shot. I'm just saying in general that you seemed...too passive to be Veteran. Explain. | ||
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On October 11 2012 01:36 kushm4sta wrote: yeah I was definitely wrong to give him a free town pass. also don't get caught up too much in my reaction as part of your case because I'm going to flip town. just a heads up Yeah thanks for reminding me. I get ahead of myself sometimes. | ||
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Same if you're town. It would be so easy for you to give up and AFK. So kudos to you for trying dude, I'm serious. | ||
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On October 02 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I really like austin all of a sudden. And really dislike Mattchew. It's going to be an eventful night guys. Sleep tight. This could be why I was roleblocked N1. I hardcrumbed Role which itself wouldn't really be enough unless scum were afraid I'd use whatever it is on either austin or Mattchew. Just throwing that out there. Mattchew looks worse because of this imo. | ||
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On October 11 2012 01:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Day 1 I didn't even know the game started for the first entire day, came home from work into the second day of it and saw my role pm. I then caught up on the thread and began posting. You are right in that I was more passive for day 1, but a ton of people were. The time I was around I attempted to move the lynch off of shady and kingjames while proposing new lynch prospects. Given that at the time of my posting people were slowly peeling from both kj and shady I thought I had done well then had do RL stuff and head back to work. The points I have been around I have made sure to be as productive as I can as well, my life is far busier then it used to be. It obviously makes me look off given my history as a player but I have done what I could. My play day 1 was suboptimal given my role, yet Scum still shot me, likely fearing what I can do as an active poster. Fair enough. Mementoss gets the same question, but somehow I think he's busy shooting hoops somewhere else on the forum. -.- | ||
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On October 11 2012 01:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: True. However given the progression of the game thus far who's been harassed non stop and likely to have been up for a lynch? People have been pushing at kush every day, and each day a confirmed red took precidense. The only person they could hope to make a claim in any regards over and attempt to push to have killed is me given the information they would have and what at least two of them pushed as an idea in thread. The only problem with the bolded is the fact that both scum you're referencing were OUTTED, FLAILING scum when they mentioned it. It's not like they didn't know they were going to die and tried to push the idea as a serious one, they were scum saying whatever the fuck for whatever reason. Just saying - that's the second time (third?) that you've mentioned how two scum have pushed this idea of BC=3rd when that's not really relevant given the circumstances. | ||
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It's 1pm and early for me. | ||
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kush you are a gem. | ||
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On October 11 2012 03:54 kushm4sta wrote: dont take that as mafia trying to get a dt to counterclaim lol.. but I think that if a dt counterclaimed you guys should lynch the fuck out of VE. Like...this post automatically assumes my guilt. Why? It doesn't factor in any circumstances like..who it os that is counterclaiming...whether the counterclaim makes sense...not to mention the fact that it tosses out the possibility that he was framed which has been his cry all along. Kush as I said before...valient effort, but theres a point where its better for your team if ypu just lay off posting. This applies regardless of your alignment. | ||
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Good luck convincing anyone of anything scum. Everyone knows you're scum so any further posts you make equate to, literally, masturbation. I prefer if you jack off elsewhere. | ||
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That is all. | ||
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There is a Detective in the game. I wasn't lying. That's all I know. | ||
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That's why I'm hung up on the Node switch - because Node COULD have been lynched - but people were all like "wtf dat wagon" when it's like...why dude? WHY?!? | ||
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It was almost certainly a framer. Regardless I'm checking into slOosh, BC and ZBos tonight. Feel free to WIFOM which of those it is scum - or RB me or kill me...at this point a swift death by mafia hands seems preferable to a slow death at the hands of an overly paranoid town. Sorry I failed you Liquid City. | ||
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Don't be a jerk. | ||
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On October 12 2012 05:33 Coagulation wrote: whats up bc. you should night kill ve for us Why? Do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On October 12 2012 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE, in which world does framer do more then swap someones role from green/blue to red? Like near universally it turns a green townies into mafia goons, and typically does the same to blues. It doesn't in any game I can remember turn a player from vanilla town into mafia power role. -_- Had kush flipped as a town paramedic, town coroner, or something similar I could understand him being labeled as red for it, but given that we have not had medics whos sanity was confused, (note a sanity change on you don't explain why he appeared as a power role) known watchers that act normally, vigi's that act normally, vets that act normally, why the fuck would the dts be different? Also why would the mafia have a role that only fucks with from what I can gather 1 role in the game. You have a claim that makes no fing sense. That's strange...because Godfathers only fuck with, from what I can gather, 1 role in the game... Anyway, it doesn't matter what world because we're playing a game in this world. And in this world, I received "Mafia Coroner" as my report from checking kush. If you don't believe that, that's fine. But that's a fact. | ||
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I'm ignoring you now Coag. | ||
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On October 12 2012 06:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: he didn't have to troll if they have a power like that. He raged based on the role that caught him. If they had such a power at their advantage losing him wouldn't have been a "huge deal" regardless of how he was caught. Also, I call you useless because you have done pretty well dick all this game. You can't deny that. Man, BC you took a really awful turn to WIFOM hunting recently...is this a result of the 3rd party badgering you've been receiving? I don't like it, whatever it is. I liked you better when you were analyzing instead of speculating. | ||
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On October 12 2012 07:28 Coagulation wrote: well its pretty clear that hes either scum or third party. anyone that thinks townie bc would be alive this far into game is only kidding themselves. Unless that's what they want you to think. >.> <.< >.> | ||
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On October 08 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Mattchew on the other hand is not active and scummy. I never thought Coag was scum - I wanted to see who jumped onboard a shitty-ass case. Kush won. I'm presently looking over previous games to decide if I think it's because he's scum or because he's just really really bad. | ||
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Amirite guys? Eh? | ||
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On October 12 2012 09:07 Z-BosoN wrote: No, I still find yours to be weird as fuck. BC is almost 100% guaranteed to be crap. I think not my good sir. This was much much later when the expiration date of your "trap" had come about. Let's pretend that by "never", you actually meant "after I received the green check on him". If that's the case, you are saying that you had a scum-read on Coag. Then you received a green check on him. Then you decided to make a shit case on him to see if people were gonna jump, and thus catch your scum?? Because, as your experience tells you, scums love hopping onto bad cases? The bolded is the case - I did have a scumread on Coag before I checked him. My experience tells me that scum love to hop on cases against townies written by townies. Whether the case is good or bad, there's always a scum who's willing to go "Hey yeah, that DID kinda look like a scumslip!". And no, I wasn't going to let that be a determining factor in a lynch. I was using it as a baseline for my check - because Kush fit the bill as newbScum who fell into my trap, I checked him. He returned Red. The rest is history. | ||
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On October 12 2012 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Guys I understand that I look bad. But unless you think I'm scum, lynching me is a poor idea. I'm active, I give a shit and I'm going to be here looking for scum. You're talking about lynching me when there are people who don't give a fuck about this game just coming in here and voting the flavor of the cycle. Subtracting the fact that my flip will tell you nothing about anything (I'd be interested to hear what you think my flip will tell you Coag), it's just a bad idea in general. Don't do it guys. | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:14 DarthPunk wrote: To expand on the node thing. Why would ZB unvpte node to save node and lynch shady if he had previously thought node was scummy enough to vote for? The obvious consequence is that shady is more likely lynched after unvoting node. So ZB backflipped from thinking node was scum to backflipping so much as to indirectly aid the lynch of someone he thought was town. To save someone else he thought was town but had just voted for? And all this just happens to derail a scum lynch day one? Right. He's said that he didn't HAVE a read on Node...that he was blindly sheeping me and Marv. However, he then goes on to say that he had a townread on Node after all. I wonder which is true... | ||
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At least that's how I interpreted his explanation. | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:20 DarthPunk wrote: Why the fuck would you vote for someone you had a town read on?!?!? On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:25 Coagulation wrote: ve it would tell us if theres a framer or some shit in play. would tell us if your telling truth or not. It wouldn't tell us any of that shit - it would definitely allow us to make the assumption that there's a framer, but we can already make that assumption based on the information we have. You really want to lynch for information on D4? Really Coag? REALLY? | ||
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God I've just been assuming you're town because of my check...but that doesn't make ANY fucking sense! | ||
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On October 12 2012 10:38 Mattchew wrote: VE what do you think of iamperfection I think he likes being talked about. | ||
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You're not acting like you give a crap at all about trying to find scum. You're acting like you already know who scum are. What does the fact that the lynches were predetermined have to do with whether you should be sharing your reads and looking for scum or not? You act like nothing has happened because the lynches were already decided. You haven't commented at all on the whole Mementoss/BC thing. You haven't commented at all on my claim, or the implications of the green flip, or fucking anything. All of this is stuff that you can use to find scum, but you're saying "why what's the point?" | ||
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Tinfoil hat time. Scum had to withhold kills tonight because they reversed the flip of their coroner. Discuss. | ||
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Get outta here Matt. | ||
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Would you expect a role like "Medical Examiner" to be a watcher type role? Honestly... | ||
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Are you being intentionally obtuse? | ||
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Anyway, who would YOU have checked? I'm performing a social experiment with my check. | ||
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I'm serious Coag I'm not telling right now. I will when the day is half over. | ||
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I checked Mementoss and he's clean. I got back Medical Examiner. Scum missed a real opportunity to shoot me and roleblock Toss, but they didn't. That leads me to believe that they couldn't. | ||
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WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY? I WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST TARGET FOR MEMENTOSS TO WATCH BEING A DTROLECOPHYBRIDNABBNONE BVBOABVA BO BN ABQV NNJFH COAG STOP BEING A FUCKING IDIOT AND THINK | ||
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THAT MEANS SOMETHING COAG BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE KILLED ME WITHOUT BEING WATCHED IT MEANS THEY COULDN'T FUCKING KILL COAG | ||
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FUCKING EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION COAG I'm going to bed. I'm sick and fucking tired of everything I say being dismissed as "stupid ass speculation". Fuck all of you. | ||
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On October 12 2012 09:11 VisceraEyes wrote: The bolded is the case - I did have a scumread on Coag before I checked him. My experience tells me that scum love to hop on cases against townies written by townies. Whether the case is good or bad, there's always a scum who's willing to go "Hey yeah, that DID kinda look like a scumslip!". And no, I wasn't going to let that be a determining factor in a lynch. I was using it as a baseline for my check - because Kush fit the bill as newbScum who fell into my trap, I checked him. He returned Red. The rest is history. Just ironic is all. | ||
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On October 12 2012 15:21 Coagulation wrote: how can he be fucking scum he didnt even know they have a role blocker Saying "Hey that assumes they have a roleblocker" doesn't mean he doesn't know they have a roleblocker Coag - it just means that he's feigning townie ignorance...except that we KNOW scum have a roleblocker because both of the claimed roles have claimed roleblocked. He can't keep his "townie ignorance" straight because he can't remember what we know and don't know. Catch up Coag geez. | ||
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Did I already tell you guys I suspect the "Detective" role is the scum roleblocker? | ||
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"both" I didn't know how many they had. Thx Darth you're a bro. | ||
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On October 12 2012 15:40 DarthPunk wrote: So you think in a game with 2 medics that scum would have 1kp? in a 15 player game? Scum are 2 down. I don't know how many they started with. I don't know the KP formula. I don't know if there's SK KP floating around. I don't know anything about the KP Darth. For someone who was playing dumb just a few minutes ago, you're starting to sound an awfully lot like you know an awful lot. | ||
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Why are you making assumptions about scum's capabilities now, but not MINUTES ago when I was musing about the nokills? | ||
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I checked Mementoss because I couldn't make sense of his reaction to BC. I wasn't checking to see if he'd turn up scum. I was checking to see if he turned up Medical Examiner as he claimed. Because unlike SOME people, I'd rather get concrete information in ways that don't require the subjects' deaths. *glare Coag* Armed with the knowledge that I can trust Mementoss, I intend to set forth with him and tear the remaining scumteam a new asshole. And then we can lynch BC if the game doesn't end. Fair enough? Good. Good night. | ||
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Would you guys believe both? I almost don't. | ||
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I believe at least one scum can be found in that list. I could be completely wrong though. If 'toss wasn't roleblocked, then I'm thinking scum didn't JUST sacrifice KP last night. They had to do something drastic. What could possibly be powerful enough to warrant sacrificing kills AND actions? I still maintain that the Kush flip was reversed, if that wasn't clear. Now. What does everyone think of Kreb? The guy has been on my case for days...it occurs to me that scum wouldn't be so willing to "come at me bro" when so many people believe (on some level) my claim. Too risky. Anyone else wanna weigh in on this guy? | ||
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Frankly I'd almost be willing to lynch Mattchew for that shit even if it costs us the game. I'm so infuriated by that mindset. If you don't want to fucking play, don't sign up. UGH But honestly I think it makes him towns. Scum wouldn't be so....blatantly anti-town, ya know? DarthPunk, ZBoson, PROGRESS!!!!! | ||
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Stay tuned. | ||
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On October 13 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote: Vicera. We'll never figure out Mattchews alignment. He deserve to be modkilled but that's not in our hands. Every single other player we're going to get better reads on with time with one exeption. Mattchew. Which makes it neccersary to lynch him in itself. Furthermore he's playing his scum-meta of lurking/notcaring. Try tell me why someone else is a better option. We're lynching him today. Stop ordering me around bish, I'm not conceding that yet. I want to lynch scum. By my estimation we're 3 deep and I'm not going to let unreadable Mattchew be a fucking combo-breaker JUST BECAUSE HE'S NOT PLAYING THE GAME. Present a good case convincing me he's scum, and I'll agree that he's a good lynch today. In the meantime, I'm looking for scum. Feel free to fuck off if you don't want to find scum - but that's my SOLE purpose being here right now, not to be ordered around by you. | ||
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Kreb drawing attention to himself like this is..pretty ballsy scum play imo. However not all of town has awakened. Namely BC. He's as likely to have been the target of...something...as 'toss and I as far as I'm concerned, regardless of his alignment. I'm tentatively leaning DP for lynch but I can be convinced of a Kreb and POSSIBLY Mattchew as well. | ||
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You know what I mean though? Am I wrong in thinking that? Almost no one is hip to lynch me today, WITH a wrong flip and "bad" check last night. The check last night was wholly self-serving, no one in town should think it's a GOOD check...but no one seems interested in lynching me today. So why would scum attack me? It just seems like unnecessary attention - there are better ways to "blend in" ya know? | ||
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Do you think he's the best lynch today? | ||
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This is bullshit. | ||
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That's IT ZBos. I've seen Mattchew fuck off and do jack shit for a whole game before. I'm hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter" and your case is laughably bad at convincing me that he's scum. Frankly I don't give a FUCK that you're "angry" about how "arrogant" and "bad" I'm playing. I'm here, and I'm trying. I don't care if you don't like the quality of my play, and I don't give a fuck that you don't like that I haven't been building "cases" up to your exacting standards. I'm doing what I can when I can. | ||
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4 pages of filter in 2 game days, and he was then night-killed. Presumably for being too townie. This game hasn't been like...intimidating at all - we've had 2 scums handed to us on a silver platter and the following lynch, my red check, was pretty much automatic too. Yet, in spite of this, Kreb has had nothing substantial to contribute except hopping on bandwagons and (more recently) tunneling me like he's got a sure thing. ##Vote: Kreb | ||
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You're trying to draw me into a flame war. You can get bent. Once we lynch Kreb, we lynch you. Then if the game isn't over we lynch BC. GG scum. | ||
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I READ VE'S FILTER AND THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING LOLOLOL As if people aren't going to go look for themselves after something like that. You want to see what a "vet that isn't scumhunting" looks like, go read BC's filter. THAT guy is doing fuck all. I've been generating discussion, reading the thread and drawing conclusions based on what I'm reading. I haven't posted huge ass WIFOM strewn cases because I've found that people don't fucking listen to me when I do that shit. I've been playing in a way that I've found optimal. Like I said - I don't care if you don't like it. But you're not going to sit there and dance around this "VE is scum" bullshit that you're trying to instill in town while saying shit like "But I'm still operating under the assumption that your claim is legit" like what the fuck is that? Are you trying to ANNOY me into making a case? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Interesting how you have a knack of ignoring 90% of my posts and using the 10% you don't like to dismiss it. No I don't - I respond to the 10% that warrants response. The rest of it is just you going "lololol" and appealing to emotion. Not worth my fucking time. Try later - I'm at work right now and I'm dangerously low on THC. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Just so you guys know, this is where VE gave his scumtell. Why would a DT who gets back role / alignment not check the only player in the game suspected thus far of being third party who could out me if I am lying? Why would he only check someone we had the alignment of? The single only way for him to prove his sanity and thus the existence of a mafia framer was to check the one player in the game everyone believes is not town or mafia? Why? Because of all the people VE named last night as his check options I was most likely to be framed. Of all of them pushing me to be lynched right after to confirm framer existence would remove a player most of you believe to be anti town. Instead he "checks" a player who has already claimed a role in thread thus to prove that a framer must exist. A town player would choose someone believed to be anti town as if that belief was correct a check would reveal a role that has not flipped. Also, contrary to popular belief I was not shot, roleblocked, or any other form of night targeted that would kill me or inform me I was targeted. It was because I was high and when I decided you're probably third, I saw "Paranoid Arsonist" and assumed that you can only fuck with people who target you. So no, I'm not checking you bro. Don't tell me who I would check. I told town that I didn't check someone I thought was scum already. I don't care if you don't like that. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, Myself, Kreb, Zboson, risk.nuke, keir, imperf and possibly coag are all likely town. Given the night actions and the way VE is currently playing, MMtoss is also likely town. Shiaopi is a null read to me. Making remaining scum in the VE (for sure) Sloosh Mattchew dp You're being ridiculous. How do I go from "Dude he's obviously contributing, generating discussion and etc etc" to "Dude he's obviously scum" Work with me here - you're not going to get town to lynch me. I promise you. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:22 Z-BosoN wrote: That is just how I reacted to your "laughably bad" arrogant as hell post. I still have valid points though I still would like answering. Fuck you. Done with you. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Incorrect. Checking me proved if framer existed / confirmed me or you. Why? Because If I am third party and you revealed the wrong role I would out you and you'd die in a 1 for 1 trade with me. This would benefit the town. Stress THIS WOULD BENEFIT TOWN. In any exchange I would always be offed first given the massive suspicion on me and it would confirm your theory while removing what everyone believes an anti town influence from the game. Yet instead you opted to check SOMEONE WHO HAS ALREADY CLAIMED. Who no one has doubted the claim of. Unlike any other player in the game, it has been proven I cannot be scum, thus if you are mafia and believe I am third party you would have to guess at my role. If you are town you would receive my role. As for you just claiming that you thought I was paranoid arsonist and assumed I can only fuck with people that target me? Why did node not die the moment he targeted me? Why did I not off him before he was replaced? Does this mean you doubt MMtoss claim because he also visited me and nothing has happened to him? Please enlighten me. Arsonist primes target - chooses when to ignite or whether to ignite. Or something. I don't know BC. All I know is that "Paranoid" is in the title. I understand that my check didn't benefit town. I've already explained it was for me. I suspect you of third because you're not scum and you're not PLAYING like any townBC I've ever seen. But I'm not interested in "removing you from the game" because I don't KNOW that you're third...and I don't fucking CARE BC because I'm looking for SCUM. Why do you "know" that I'm scum now? That's so against everything you've been saying all game. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:26 Z-BosoN wrote: What the fuck? What's wrong with that post huh? You want people to treat you with flowers if you shit on their heads, call their cases bad and blatantly ignore what they write? No, dude, answer my post. DOn't "fuck you" me. I'm done with you. | ||
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On October 13 2012 09:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For the same reason I fucked Mattchew last game. You fucked up. You made the biggest slip in this entire game. One thats only going to be caught by a seasoned player. Simple. You are using role speculation as a reason to not check the only person in the game that A) is believed to be third party B) Confirmed not mafia. This simple check as much as you "dont want to remove me from the game" would have removed a potential third party thus not town, while confirming the existence of a framer or a mafia cover up role while CONFIRMING YOUR FUCKING ALIGNMENT. This is the best and most efficient use of the gd role you claimed while removing a believed anti town and confirming yourself. It then *gasp* confirms coag removing 3 players from the fucking pool of people to be analyzed, forcing mafia to shoot into a pool of players etc.... You take any bit of control they might be getting in thread and remove it. Instead you "checked" for your personal use, Dts don't check for themselves, they check for town. Unless you are scum, then you check to ensure the watcher was a real watcher and not bullshitting, or you check your scumbuddy and confirm his "claim" K whatever. If you're town, carry these guys to victory for me. If you're third, good job. You've sapped my interest in this game. | ||
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"He didn't check who I would have checked, ergo, scum." | ||
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You can't stop me from doing what I want. | ||
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I'm just going to ignore the third party like I'm ignoring the incindiary Z guy! *concentrate* | ||
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Sorry guy. I wanted to wait. For anyone who cares, he's taking the one self-motivated decision I've made this game (the 'toss check) and saying that I'm playing in my own self-interest. Except...I'm not. The reason I wanted to know if I can trust 'toss is because I've played with the guy before and besides BC (who I was NOT checking) the one I considered to be A) the least likely to be framed and B) the one who is most likely to look at the thread objectively and find scum with me. It was self-motivated only in that it allowed ME to have peace of mind about another town player so that, with 'toss, we could find the remaining scum. Add to that the fact that I fully expected to die. Add to that the fact that all the people I mentioned during the night were all potential frame targets. Now: if BC is town, as he claims, then he should know that he should be dead. It's like...just one of those things. If BC is alive late game, he's anti-town. And he's saying that it would have been OPTIMAL for me to check someone WHO HAD ONE OF THE HIGHEST CHANCES OF DYING OVERNIGHT THAN ANYONE IF HE'S TOWN. This is a load of bullshit that he's injecting into the thread guys. I mean, yeah...he's just playing to his win-condition...but honestly if he's not going to help me find scum, then I prefer he just die outright. | ||
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Anyway, thanks for the theory lesson and everything - maybe my check WASN'T optimal. But like...I don't care. It's my check to do with what I will to help town win. You don't lynch every vig who shoots a townie do you? You don't lynch every medic who fails to protect someone? My claim has made sense for days - you picked a pretty fucking opportune time to say "Whoa wait guys, WHOA. I just cracked this game wide open. You know all that stuff I said about VE being obviously town based on his actions and NOT on his claim? Well SCRAP all that because he checked MEMENTOSS instead of ME!" Feel free to backtrack and get on Kreb BC, I'll join you. But as long as you insist that I'm scum, I'm going to insist that you don't give a fuck about finding scum. And I'm going to insist that you die. | ||
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Pull the other one BC. | ||
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Okay enough. | ||
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I'm not scum. And I DO want to win. Please don't lynch me. | ||
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Please, this is MADNESS! | ||
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THE SCUM DT IS THEIR ROLEBLOCKER AND A ROLECOP | ||
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Oh my God Kei. This is it. That's what's going on here. | ||
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But without their Coroner, they're going to watch me flip exactly what I claimed. *sly grin* Check. | ||
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I'm just saying. A scumteam with myself, Marvellosity and Node/Hapahauli would certainly not have seen marv freaking the fuck out in-thread....DEFINITELY not Hapahauli freaking out in thread ALSO. THAT is WIFOM, son. | ||
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I may not have been able to stop Marv's initial outburst, but I could have kept Hapa from repeating it dude. | ||
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Why would he do that if I were on his team? | ||
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On October 13 2012 13:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah yeah Coag be right about something else please. Inb4 Coag's new signature | ||
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On October 13 2012 13:25 Coagulation wrote: If ve was scum instead of saying he checked toss he woulda just said he got roleblocked and this all wouldnt have happened.. just saying. Fuck yeah I would have. | ||
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On October 13 2012 14:05 Z-BosoN wrote: Or have you no comment on one of your top reads? Done with you. Move along. | ||
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On October 13 2012 15:52 Z-BosoN wrote: So Kei, while I agree that's certainly plausible, how do we go about it? If we lynch VE, we won't know anything for certain, as he will pop up PI. If we lynch mementoss, and he's scum, GG. If he's town, we just lost a Medical Examiner. Since it might be either BC/Coag, it's riskier lynching these two. So if you are really balls out on that theory, mementoss is the best lynch slot, no? RUT ROH RAGGY | ||
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Obviously if someone had come in here and claimed like...hit or RB or something that falls apart...but no one did and that's my assumption. | ||
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Mafia Coroner was the report. Dude flips something other than the report. Does that not seem like a logical thought progression to you? What would you think? Framed or flip shenannies right? I only brought it up because there were NO kills. Tell me why scum wouldn't kill man. Tell me HOW IT'S POSSIBLE that NONE of the anti-town KP got fired off tonight. | ||
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DocH is known for crazy shit like this. KNOWN for it. You KNOW this, man. I can't explain the timing either - if Kush really was the Coroner, then i don't know how he would have reversed his own flip. I concede that it's far fetched. But honestly, after our Paramedics "swept the leg" so to speak, I can ALSO see mods making allowances. Just try and see this from my perspective. I AM the town PI. I HAVE fucked it up somehow (BEFORE the Mementoss check). I AM trying to understand what the hell is going on - and because I know I'm telling the truth I'm accepting things that you are not. Like - you don't know if I'm lying scum or actual PI. I know that I'm actual PI and I know that I actually received a report that Kush was Mafia Coroner. These are FACTS to me. | ||
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Do the right thing Kei. Go take a look at the link I posted not long ago - probably within 2 or 3 pages of the end of my filter. It's Kreb as a townie in a Newbie game. There's a GIGANTIC difference in his play this game and his play in that game. Look at the way he reasons things out in the thread as town. Tell me that guy would just put blinders on and come at me as a townie. Whether I was framed or the flip was reversed, scum's plan was always going to be to discredit me and try and get me lynched. Independent of my read of Kreb or the fact that he's been pushing me all game, that's my analysis of the situation. There's no reason to fuck with my check unless scum wanted to bank on it somehow. | ||
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Main topic of discussion in the scum QT that game: HOW TO FAKE CLAIM -.- I'm going to bed, this game is stupid. | ||
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On October 13 2012 20:08 Kreb wrote: Oh yea, there was that meta read on me too by VE, almost forgot. :D Im glad you brought it up. VE trying to get votes going on me on Day5 due to a new meta read from my first game ever where he presumes things happening. Im totally proud of myself thats the best you could find. Thank you, you made me all warm and fuzzy inside there VE. Rererence: + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: This is town Kreb. 4 pages of filter in 2 game days, and he was then night-killed. Presumably for being too townie. This game hasn't been like...intimidating at all - we've had 2 scums handed to us on a silver platter and the following lynch, my red check, was pretty much automatic too. Yet, in spite of this, Kreb has had nothing substantial to contribute except hopping on bandwagons and (more recently) tunneling me like he's got a sure thing. ##Vote: Kreb I don't understand the point of this post. My point was that in the game I linked, Kreb is very obviously town...there's no question in reading the filter that it's a townie's filter. In this game, he's hiding behind tunneling me to avoid doing anything. In the game I posted he had 4 pages by N2 - in this game by the time I posted this, he had 5 pages by D4. It's like - it's terribly damning imo. | ||
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That's what is bugging me. It's giving town information they don't need. If Kush was town, why wouldn't they frame him with "Enforcer" or something? It doesn't make any sense unless they A) knew the DT was a rolecop too, and B) had some kind of plan in framing him as "Coroner". And what would that plan even be?! | ||
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Honestly I think it was designed around clues - all the misdirection was probably supposed to be offset by clues. But yeah, taboo and shit. Coag think with me sir. Why did Kush show up as Mafia Coroner? | ||
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It's not just about the number of pages. Did you follow the link? Did you read any of his posts in that game? They look NOTHING like his posts this game. At all. And I'm not going to lie. I'm not trying to get lynched, but I'm not trying very hard to NOT get lynched. At this point, I'm hoping I flip DT and it kickstarts town into thinking again. That's all. | ||
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On October 14 2012 02:38 risk.nuke wrote: VE then where did the kp go? Why are you asking me? I have no idea. That's one of the mysteries of today that no one seems interested in solving but myself. | ||
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Seems like a pretty dull Razor to me. Just sayin. | ||
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Shiao doesn't comment deeper than the most recent pages, and must be called out specifically to comment on other things. Mattchew is still strange to me, though I'm teetering on the edge with that guy. I still think there are scummier candidates in Kreb and ZBos. I'm reading up on a couple of filters now and I'll comment further shortly. | ||
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On October 14 2012 04:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: VE I am back and after spending a great deal of time thinking on the events of last night and reading the posts since then I will admit that I most likely took your sub optimal play as a scumtell and most likely shouldnt. I still find the situation around kush's flip fucked beyond belief but I am willing to give you time to prove yourself given the name you said Kush had, and thus it may make sense that he can hide his own flip. As such ##unvote Sorry to disappoint. Not there yet. | ||
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Of course, he could just be inactive...but what a strange time to go inactive. He's another who went from being certain Kush was scum to vote-switching to "save" Kush dusk yesterday. I'm reading the exchange between he and ZBos now, and his vehemency in defending my check is interesting reading too guys. | ||
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You don't find that the least bit ODD Kreb? It's even bolded in the quote you posted... | ||
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On October 10 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: I know what you are trying to do. I did it in LVII at MYLO/LYLO. It's not going to work so die quietly plz. | ||
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On October 11 2012 12:19 DarthPunk wrote: He is risking getting lynched for your mislynch. Why would he take that risk when he could probably pushed a mislynch without taking that risk. You are right in that it is WIFOM however. and that should be acknowledged. Literally calling the lynch a "mislynch" and voteswitching off him. Yeah man, reads change...but he was defending my check and everything, followed up with this? I think your blinders are on Kreb, I want someone's opinion who doesn't want me dead. No offense, of course. | ||
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But he was onboard the "Kush is townie" train dusk yesterday, this is documented. | ||
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No townie has claimed Coroner - and I would think that any town Coroner would have claimed such in order to avoid a mislynch...maybe. I'm not sure about that. But that leads me to believe that it is, in fact, a scum role. So why give town that information? In a closed setup? When we don't know what roles are what? Why give us time to prepare for such shenannies? | ||
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On October 14 2012 08:59 DarthPunk wrote: To paraphrase your case. Not scum hunting. Tunnelling kush as an excuse to avoid scumhunting. That all falls apart if kush is red. So? It hasn't fallen apart yet, he flipped green didn't he? And you even had a townread on the guy before he flipped. So what about ZBos' case falls apart? | ||
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You know who like to say that townies' existence are anti town? I'll give you three guesses. | ||
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I'm not just trying to "see what will stick", I'm pointing out the things that I think are scummy in your play. I mean, if there's good reason for it fine - but the reasoning you're giving is awful. Like, how does me being alive stop anyone from scumhunting? | ||
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You're accusing ZBoson of the EXACT SAME THING YOU ARE DOING. You were setting up ZBos lynch based on a flip that had not occured, after being certain the lynch was scum at the beginning of the day and having doubts about the lynch toward the end of the day. That's the EXACT scenario you're accusing ZBoson of. That is scummy, I don't care what differences there are between the scenarios. The end result is exactly the same (setting up a lynch of the other), and the reasoning is exactly the same (went from scum read to town read without knowledge of the flip). I also find it odd that ZBos is now this super scumread for you, and ShiaoPi is barely a footnote in your reads when he had a "really strong case" against him in the form of Tout's case and yet now when we have a lynch in place, you're trying to get someone OTHER than ShiaoPi lynched. Like...sure okay, varying degrees of scumminess, reads change, whatever...but he has since done something you've found super scummy, but he's not as bad as this other guy? Who did something you yourself did? | ||
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I could lynch that guy...but it's mostly based on inactivity which makes me queasy. The jumping on my "DP scumslip" thing was pretty bad too I guess, but if Kush was town that obviously can't be used as a metric. -.- Let me go filter and read Tout's case. The problem with ShiaoPi dying is that Tout made a case on him. Immediately I suspect shenannies when that's the case - makes me think scum are trying to set up someone...but Tout was one of the only active people around the time he died. BRB | ||
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##Vote: ShiaoPi Like...the townie response to a wrong flip is, unfortunately for me, suspicion. I've borne quite a bit of it today. But none of it from ShiaoPi who, before my claim which was "believable" (a weak description indicating a...capitulation I guess...a surrendering of his read on me), had me as one of his TOP scum reads. Taken with the fact that Tout died and the jumping on DP, and I can consolidate on this guy today. | ||
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I HAVE A FUCKING MOD REPORT THAT SAYS MAFIA CORONER. Thats the information I have that you're suggesting. | ||
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On October 14 2012 11:16 Coagulation wrote: I came to that conclusion on my own before ve mentioned it. well at least thought of it. | ||
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On October 13 2012 16:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know. My brain is aching. Do the right thing Kei. Go take a look at the link I posted not long ago - probably within 2 or 3 pages of the end of my filter. It's Kreb as a townie in a Newbie game. There's a GIGANTIC difference in his play this game and his play in that game. Look at the way he reasons things out in the thread as town. Tell me that guy would just put blinders on and come at me as a townie. Whether I was framed or the flip was reversed, scum's plan was always going to be to discredit me and try and get me lynched. Independent of my read of Kreb or the fact that he's been pushing me all game, that's my analysis of the situation. There's no reason to fuck with my check unless scum wanted to bank on it somehow. | ||
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gg BC | ||
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I think scum have RB. | ||
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N1 Check Coag (RB) N2 Check Coag (Concerned Citizen) N3 Check Kush (Mafia Coroner) N4 Check Mementoss (Medical Examiner) I never visited Matty. BC's flip said nothing about roleblocking random townie. Scum gots to have RB. | ||
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Ugh if it was scum though why no RB last night? | ||
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Can we roll with that assumption? | ||
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On October 15 2012 16:46 Kreb wrote: 9 left. 6/3 town/mafia. So mislynch next should mean town loses. Lets 1v1 VE? Im all in. ##Vote VisceraEyes lawl Sit down son Im like fun-firmed town. You bound to lose. You're not a loser, are you son? | ||
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Not I. | ||
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What is the reasoning you think slOosh is scum Coag? | ||
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##Vote: Kreb | ||
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Teehee | ||
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He hasn't looked at my filter, he hasn't been looking for connections between other players and me in case he's right - he's just blindly and retardedly tunneling me into oblivion as an excuse to avoid doing ANYTHING. | ||
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This should be good. | ||
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Just sayin. GG. | ||
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:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE PARANOID ARSONIST IS SCUM ZERO KILLS NIGHT BEFORE +1 KILLS LAST NIGHT | ||
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It just seems terribly convenient that we had NO kills the night before. Scum had to alter their KP in order to not get any kills -at least that's my opinion. We're only in MYLO if Kush was town, which I'm FAR from believing. I checked 'toss and he flipped exactly what was reported. Coag still alive, but I think he town. Therefor, I think my check on Kush was good. I think he was scum, and that means that even if we mislynch today, the game isn't quite over. Oh, and I'm back near a computer. Hai guise. | ||
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If there's some kind of Framer thing happening, then I'm going to cry. Cry and cry and cry. | ||
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You know I'm not scum. Don't even front. | ||
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On October 16 2012 13:22 Coagulation wrote: your not scum hunting your setup speculating. That's part of scumhunting at this stage in the game. If we understand the mechanics at work, we can understand the motivations of the scums. Speculating about the setup before now is useless - but now we have lots of flips and claims and info to work with. To ignore this shit just because "Oh scumhunting not setup speculation" is asinine. We could speculate all day about whether 1 person was roleblocked on D2, but it ceases to be speculation and starts to become evidence at some point. And I'm not just speculating on setup - I'm drawing conclusions about the setup based on the information I have. With these conclusions, I'm looking for clues in peoples' filters...tell-tale signs that people have more information than they are letting on. It's pretty much a guarantee that ZBos is scum. The way he and Kreb have been pushing this "we're at MYLO" idea as if there's no question that Kush was town. For them to say that there's no doubt in their mind that I'm scum is irresponsible and bad. They should question everything. INCLUDING my claim. But unlike others who have questioned my claim, ZBos and Kreb are actively trying to discredit me and my claim. ZBos is cheerleading my lynch without even being on the wagon. It's just funny that Kreb is calling the inactives out for "waiting to see what happens" when one of his biggest supporters isn't even on the wagon himself. Because whether you guys like it or not, the claim is a part of my play this game. Sorry to disappoint if you think my play has been "horrible" or "bad" or whatever...I would argue that I've had bad moments but overall my play has been relatively straight-forward. Anyone saying that I haven't been scumhunting this game is being maliciously ignorant. Just a glance at my filter is enough to see that I care about finding scum. It's not even a question. I may not be super awesome at it, but it's clear that I'm trying. Exceptions start to appear when I start losing my grip on the game - when Kush flipped town is a great example of a point where I pretty much don't even care anymore. My check after Kush flips is evidence of this. Mementoss was, as BC and others have pointed out, a bad check - both for myself and for town. I threw his name out there to see if he was lying about his claim...and now that I know my checks are accurate(ish) then that further reinforces the idea that I had a good report on Kush too. But with all my information - with all my checks and roleblocks and everything I have, I'm still not as sure that Kreb is scum as he seems to be that I am. And I'm town. LOL Anyway, this has been a rant. I'm tired of being told I'm not scumhunting. The people accusing me of such are not explaining what they mean anyway, so I don't even know why I'm letting it bother me. So yeah. Bring it on scum. If you think you can get me lynched, then get ready to reap the whirlwind. | ||
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I mean, jesting is one thing - but if you honestly believe that I'm scum, then why aren't you voting for me? Do you think Kreb and I are scumbuddies? Want to walk me through that line of thinking? | ||
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##Vote: slOosh Sorry brah, but what did it for me was "you should be able to show me from this game" when you've barely posted anything this game and you know it. No one can show you anything about your play from this game because you've barely played this game. | ||
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Shame. | ||
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GG Scums. | ||
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2 kills last night. Not hard town. | ||
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I'm what I say. Care to humor me with what you believe happened assuming I'm telling the truth? | ||
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I await my fate. | ||
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On October 16 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: BC explained how an Arsonist works earlier. My guess is that in this game, the Arsonist carries out kills for mafia as the Enforcer does, but has the option of withholding that KP for a chance to double his effective KP the following night. It just seems terribly convenient that we had NO kills the night before. Scum had to alter their KP in order to not get any kills -at least that's my opinion. We're only in MYLO if Kush was town, which I'm FAR from believing. I checked 'toss and he flipped exactly what was reported. Coag still alive, but I think he town. Therefor, I think my check on Kush was good. I think he was scum, and that means that even if we mislynch today, the game isn't quite over. Oh, and I'm back near a computer. Hai guise. | ||
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not Important guessing. | ||
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Why 2 and not 3? | ||
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DP you fucking smashed me - you zeroed in on my weakness (penchant for setup speculation when shit goes wrong, tendency to lose my shit) and nailed me to the wall with it at the exact right moment. I attribute this loss to your craftiness as much as if not more than I blame apathetic, non-reading townies for it. Which is a lot. So good job. | ||
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On October 18 2012 15:04 Keirathi wrote: You were setting him up to flip wrong BEFORE HE FLIPPED. How does that even make any sense? MY MOTHERFJFOAIVJOVN REPORT SAID CORONER KEI! SAY IT WITH ME COOOROOOONERRRR! IN A GAME WHERE THE ROLES MAY BE ALTERED SLIGHTLY FROM HOW YOU'D THINK THEY NORMALLY OPERATE! ..........anyway, I have no regrets. Except maybe letting BC mindfuck me some more...jeez, you'd think I like it as much as I let him do it. I don't guys. I feel violated every time. | ||
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